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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Privationism in Fr. Wathen's book
« Reply #75 on: October 03, 2018, 08:16:47 AM »
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Give me an example of a non-infallible teaching, or a non-infallible magisterial act that we must believe under pain of sin.  ?
If you can answer this question with a good example, then you're right, my arguments are wrong.  If you can't answer this question, then my points remain.

Re: Privationism in Fr. Wathen's book
« Reply #76 on: October 03, 2018, 12:15:22 PM »
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'De fide'/Doctrinal teachings must be believed under penalty of heresy (which is a sin).  Non-de fide teachings are binding to the extent that the Church tells us the level of teaching authority.  Each level of teaching authority has different levels of assent (and consequent penalties) associated with it.

Applying theological levels of Magisterial teaching, "Amoris Laetitia" belongs to the Authentic Magisterium. Such teachings are to be received with a "religious submission of the intellect and will".

This type of religious assent does not mean rejection or doubt. Far from.

If Bergoglio is Pope, then you need to be receiving the teachings of "Amoris Laetitia" with the "religious submission of intellect and will" that Catholics owe to the Authentic Magisterium of the Church. That means you assent, you do not reject.


Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Privationism in Fr. Wathen's book
« Reply #77 on: October 03, 2018, 01:04:41 PM »
Cantarella, i'll ask you as well:
Give me an example of a non-infallible teaching, or a non-infallible magisterial act that we must believe under pain of sin?


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"Amoris Laetitia" belongs to the Authentic Magisterium. Such teachings are to be received with a "religious submission of the intellect and will".

This type of religious assent does not mean rejection or doubt. Far from.
Religious submission is conditional.  We are allowed to ask questions, and ask for clarifications (which Cardinals have done and the pope has yet to answer).  It's the same level of assent required for V2.  In other words, it binds us to nothing of consequence.  Just more modernist word games.

Offline Stubborn

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Re: Privationism in Fr. Wathen's book
« Reply #78 on: October 03, 2018, 02:01:24 PM »
Applying theological levels of Magisterial teaching, "Amoris Laetitia" belongs to the Authentic Magisterium. Such teachings are to be received with a "religious submission of the intellect and will".

This type of religious assent does not mean rejection or doubt. Far from.

If Bergoglio is Pope, then you need to be receiving the teachings of "Amoris Laetitia" with the "religious submission of intellect and will" that Catholics owe to the Authentic Magisterium of the Church. That means you assent, you do not reject.
Sorry Cantarella but this ^^^^ is ridiculous.

Whatever you think the "Authentic Magisterium" even means, Amoris Laetitia, being riddled with error, belongs to the pope and  in no way does even a minuscule part of it belong to the Church's magisterium. Because it is riddled with heresy and error, *that* is the reason why we owe zero ascent to it, and this is true without regard to the authority of it's author.

If sede's could get themselves to stop concerning themselves with the status of the pope, they would more easily stop the consistent confusion, inherent in sedeism, between truth or doctrine and the requirement of authority.

Re: Privationism in Fr. Wathen's book
« Reply #79 on: October 03, 2018, 02:35:22 PM »
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Cantarella, i'll ask you as well:
Give me an example of a non-infallible teaching, or a non-infallible magisterial act that we must believe under pain of sin?

Teachings against birth control, for instance. Do you know if the Church has ever issued an infallible statement on the prohibition of birth control methods?

If you disagree with the Church on this point, what dogma of the Faith will you be denying?

Catholics are bound to hear the Church (most especially the Vicar of Christ on earth); not only in Articles of Faith but also in morals and temporary discipline.