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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Privationism in Fr. Wathen's book
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2018, 11:40:37 AM »
Quote from: Beaumont on September 08, 2018, 06:55:05 PM
I disagree. Fr. Wathen is saying this man is a true pope.

He's saying that he both is and he isn't -- which is basically sedeprivationism, Chazalism, and many other variants on the same thinking.
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Offline songbird

Re: Privationism in Fr. Wathen's book
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2018, 05:06:51 PM »
I also disagree with Fr. Wathen  For who would hear the confession?! Who has the absolution?!

IF a pope did have remorse, would he not humble himself and say, "There must be a "valid" election."

Also I have questions to the sin of the new Order mess.  This is what makes the destruction, no Precious Blood on the altars!  This is the Sin of Sins!

I would think, if this pope, who was not elected validly, for he had all the fruits of not being catholic.  How?  By the new order mess, that is heretical, shows he is not catholic, to be validly nominated.

So, that is one reason that I disagree with Fr.Wathen 
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Offline Beaumont

Re: Privationism in Fr. Wathen's book
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2018, 05:57:21 PM »
Wathen held Paul VI to be a true pope and preached against sedevacantism. 
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Privationism in Fr. Wathen's book
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2018, 07:32:46 PM »
Quote from: Beaumont on September 09, 2018, 05:57:21 PM
Wathen held Paul VI to be a true pope and preached against sedevacantism.

Sedeprivationism is not sedevacantism.  But Wathen's language suggests that they are true popes in one sense, but not true popes in another.  Things like distinctions seem to escape people who promote the "true pope" binary.  He could be a true pope in one respect and not in another.  In fact, any Traditional Catholic is saying exactly that because otherwise we'd have an obligation to obey him and accept his teaching.
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Offline Cantarella

Re: Privationism in Fr. Wathen's book
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2018, 08:01:24 PM »
I think the similarity in the OP resides in the possible conversion of the "avowed conspirator who became the Roman Pontiff". In Sedeprivationism, if the materialiter pope were to abjur his heresies and repair the damage done, then he could become at once the formaliter pope. No other conclave would be necessary. 
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