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Privationism in Fr. Wathen's book
« on: September 04, 2018, 08:44:35 AM »
Fr. Wathen's book, The Great Sacrilege, seems to be of the sedeprivationist thesis. Page 21, especially the last paragraph, in the hardcopy book is, arguably, privationist. The exact same text from the book on page 10 of the e-book version at Archive can be read here:
https://archive.org/stream/TheGreatSacrilegeWathenFr.JamesF.6303/The%20Great%20Sacrilege%20-%20Wathen%2C%20Fr.%20James%20F._6303#page/n15

Re: Privationism in Fr. Wathen's book
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2018, 09:58:01 AM »
Thank you for the post.

Father Wathen had the grace to discern the newChurch papal hijacking when most traditionalist were willing to give the modernist popes ever benefit of the doubt.



This simple, but highly intelligent Diocese priest led the traditionalist movement with his 1971 book, The Great Sacrilege.
He put everything on the line, even taking-on the homo jew-pope, Paul VI.

Father was onto the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic infiltration of the Church and made the jews were nervous they'd lose control of the traditionalist movement.

Only then was +ABL's SSPX infiltrated, financed and given the media attention allowing them to be on the forefront of the Trad- world.   And now we can see, those hireling-chickens have come home to roost, in the form of the Menzingen brothehood.



Sedeprivationism is a term coined by William J. Morgan an English layman and a traditional Catholic apologist.

The word Sedeprivationism is an amalgamation of two words, “sede” and “deprivation” into a single descriptive term. Morgan developed the term in order distinguish it from Sedevacantism, a position which he held himself.[1]


He applied the term to one of the Catholic theological explanations for the Vatican II crisis. It holds that the Novus Ordo Popes have been defective Popes. This analysis follows the principles of the late French theologian, Bishop Michel Louis Guerard des Lauriers, O.P.. Bishop Guerard des Lauriers presented his thesis in a publication with the title “Cahiers de Cassiciacuм” and therefore called commonly the "Cassiciacuм Thesis."

Accordingly, Sedeprivationism might be defined as an ecclesiastical Catholic position that the papacy, the See of Peter, is not obtained and held in conformity with one of two prescribed requirements of a legitimate papal election by the Novus Ordo popes. The two mandatory requirements are:

1. That the pope is elected legitimately by valid designated electors. This aspect designates the papal candidate as “materially[2] elected and designated candidate to the office of pope.

2. That the newly chosen pope-elect expresses his acceptance and that on giving his assent he receive from Christ the “form” of the Papacy i.e. the indefectible power or authority promised to St. Peter and his successors by which the elected candidate “formally” becomes Pope and actually takes hold of the Office of the Papacy.

Both of these aspects are required and should any candidate fail in either one, then he does not hold the office of Pope. The Catholics of the Sedeprivationist school hold that all claimants of the papal office from at least Paul VI through Francis (the Novus Ordo Popes) are invalid and that they do not hold the papal office except by right of designation due to a failure to receive the “form” of the Papacy (i.e. the Authority) because his acceptance is impeded by a defective intention[3] arising from their manifest disposition of apostasy ; further, that a valid papal election has indeed transpired.

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Re: Privationism in Fr. Wathen's book
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2018, 10:37:07 AM »
Sure sounds a lot like privationism ... except for the part about how they maintain their infallibility.  Not sure if "conversion" (per the rest of his text) would be required for that to kick in.  If not, then it's most definitely not privationism ... even though much of the text sounds a heck of a lot like it.

I really believe that most Traditional Catholics, even R&R sedeplenists, are in fact PRIVATIONISTS to one degree or another.  For whatever reason, the nefarous acts of these popes are deprived of authority.  Otherwise, we'd be committing a sin for rejecting them.

Re: Privationism in Fr. Wathen's book
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2018, 10:39:22 AM »
This is the paragraph:


Re: Privationism in Fr. Wathen's book
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2018, 06:55:05 PM »
I disagree. Fr. Wathen is saying this man is a true pope.