http://www.pistrinaliturgica.blogspot.com/2012/01/looking-mortified-upon-monkee.html



His pathetic campaign against the CMRI Fathers has borne fruits rightly becoming such a coluber in via (Gen. cap. xlix., 17), whose proud head the Blessed Virgin shall crush through her devoted servants amongst the clergy (cf. Gen. cap. iii., 15), as Saint Louis Marie had foretold centuries ago (True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary, nos. 55-59).

Please pray for Mr. Toth, that he may desist from his venomous endeavors and be wholly converted unto God in the earnest cultivation of the interior life, as rightly becomes a true Thomist.

The sophistical, self-proclaimed "Thomist" [sic] Craig Toth at Pristina Liturgica and CMRI Watch blog sites has proven himself to be a perilous and subversive creature, inimical to the welfare of the sedevacantist faithful.

He has been planting doubts regarding the validity of the Carmona-Thuc line in these recent postings:

http://www.pistrinaliturgica.blogspot.com/2011/12/holiday-cards-2.html

http://www.pistrinaliturgica.blogspot.com/2012/01/holiday-cards-3.html

http://www.pistrinaliturgica.blogspot.com/2012/01/looking-mortified-upon-monkee.html

It is all an orchestrated plan to attack such clerics as the CMRI Fathers, the independent clerics whose Orders ultimately derive from Bishop Carmona, and basically everyone whom, in the excess of his execrable pride, he esteems as inferior to himself.

What greater weapon can the enemies of the faithful desire than such a bewitching sophist?

His pathetic campaign against the CMRI Fathers has borne fruits rightly becoming such a coluber in via (Gen. cap. xlix., 17), whose proud head the Blessed Virgin shall crush through her devoted servants amongst the clergy (cf. Gen. cap. iii., 15), as Saint Louis Marie had foretold centuries ago (True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary, nos. 55-59).

Please pray for Mr. Toth, that he may desist from his venomous endeavors and be wholly converted unto God in the earnest cultivation of the interior life, as rightly becomes a true Thomist.

I saw today that the Lay Pulpit and Mater Dei Seminary/CMRI Watch sites are still up and running. But the last updates were Oct 21 on one site and Oct 22 on the other.

I wonder why the apparent coincidence. Are both sites run by the same person, who has gone quiet, at least for now, for whatever reasons?

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I saw today that the Lay Pulpit and Mater Dei Seminary/CMRI Watch sites are still up and running. But the last updates were Oct 21 on one site and Oct 22 on the other.

I wonder why the apparent coincidence. Are both sites run by the same person, who has gone quiet, at least for now, for whatever reasons?

The former has been curiously silent since the Bp. Petko scandal broke at SAG.  This gentleman, I understand, is supporting Bp. Petko in his dispute with Fr. Ramolla, whom he has abandoned.

I was under the impression that the latter site was the effort of Mr. Toth, but his primary site, Pistrina, has been anything BUT silent, as you know.

I wonder what the connection is to that despicable VoV site.

The former has been curiously silent since the Bp. Petko scandal broke at SAG.  This gentleman, I understand, is supporting Bp. Petko in his dispute with Fr. Ramolla, whom he has abandoned.

Check out the comments at Pristina!

    Anonymous Jan 8, 2012 12:49 AM

        Consecration of Bps. Carmona and Zamora took place at Toulon on the 17th of October according to the "Pontificale Romanum" (Ratisbonae, Romae etc., 1908, S. 520 ff.), exactly the same copy was used for Mgr. Guerard, in the same chapel.

    The Reader Jan 8, 2012 09:10 AM

        Thanks for the information. BTW, do you know of any written account from eyewitnesses?

        Anonymous Jan 15, 2012 12:16 AM

            Dr. Heller in Germany will certainly know more on the subject, even though I could not find a direct testimony from those consecrations. Interesting note:
            Abbé Bruno Schaeffer, who was ordained by Archbishop Thuc AFTER the consecrations, is working in the SSPX without any reordination.

            Adresses:

            Prieuré
            Notre-Dame-de-la-Sainte-Espérance
            Abbé Bruno Schaeffer
            58220 COULOUTRE
            +33 3 86 39 30 70

            Dr. Eberhard Heller
            Riedhofweg 4
            D-82544 Egling
            Germany
            heller_einsicht@hotmail.com
            or:
            eberhard-heller@gmx.net

    Anonymous Jan 14, 2012 07:09 AM

        There is a very simple & tactile reason why the Thuc consecrations are, at the very least, illicit. Archbishop Thuc knowingly consecrated a notorious and public ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ named Jean Laborie. Thuc knew he was a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, as Rama Coomaraswamy told him and told others that he told him. By consecrating Laborie, Thuc automatically excommunicated himself in the most severe way. We must have nothing to do with his consecrations due to this.

        This is a fact that people like Cekada and Derksen completely gloss over. They won't even mention it if they don't have to. It gets one line in Derksen's "thorough" analysis. They simply needed a bishop and compromised their consciences to get one.

   Anonymous Jan 14, 2012 07:23 AM

        @ Anonymous [Jan 14, 2012 07:09 AM]

        "This is a fact that people like Cekada and Derksen completely gloss over."

        Yeah, like Gebel & gαye glossed over Petko's heavy petting of the Seminarians and attempted to oust Father Ramolla, and like how Toth here is making slanderous insinuations against Bishop Carmona.

        Give up Toth. You have everything to lose if you continue this foolishness.

    Anonymous Jan 14, 2012 11:03 AM

        Not a single word about Carmona in the above.

Simple Catholic, Hobble, anyone,

Is the identity known of the person or people who run and contribute to the Vov site?

The lay agitators were dismayed at Father Ramolla's reaction to the whole mess.

They have to regroup and think of other strategies, I guess.