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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Prior Toupee in Sanford FL groveling for money
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2023, 02:20:41 PM »
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  • This is so sad.  Parents should push back and complain to US Superior. 

    If the US Superior weren't completely on board with the agenda, he wouldn't be a superior.

    I know of several +Williamson-era priests who are very talented, borderline brilliant, who are relegated to obscurity by the SSPX, some of them reporting to men who hadn't been ordained more than 2 or 3 years and who don't hold a candle to them in terms of experience, wisdom, intellect, or any other quality ... because these new ones have been properly indoctrinated as yes-men, whereas the former still have their anti-Conciliar attitudes about them.  I don't mention names only because I don't want to put them in "hot water" with the SSPX, but if I did mention them, all here would agree with me about their talents.

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    Re: Prior Toupee in Sanford FL groveling for money
    « Reply #16 on: September 03, 2023, 02:39:40 PM »
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  • If the US Superior weren't completely on board with the agenda, he wouldn't be a superior.

    I know of several +Williamson-era priests who are very talented, borderline brilliant, who are relegated to obscurity by the SSPX, some of them reporting to men who hadn't been ordained more than 2 or 3 years and who don't hold a candle to them in terms of experience, wisdom, intellect, or any other quality ... because these new ones have been properly indoctrinated as yes-men, whereas the former still have their anti-Conciliar attitudes about them.  I don't mention names only because I don't want to put them in "hot water" with the SSPX, but if I did mention them, all here would agree with me about their talents.

    Fr. Peter Scott comes to mind.

    He's been stationed in Nigeria for several years.  Yes, he is doing good work for souls there, yet his particular talent for succinct moral theology articles is going largely unused.  
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Prior Toupee in Sanford FL groveling for money
    « Reply #17 on: September 03, 2023, 02:43:49 PM »
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  • Fr. Peter Scott comes to mind.

    He's been stationed in Nigeria for several years.  Yes, he is doing good work for souls there, yet his particular talent for succinct moral theology articles is going largely unused. 

    Yes, he's one of those whom I had in mind.  Brilliant man ... though I don't agree with him on everything.  He was (rightly) a professor at STAS for some years and also US District Superior.  What he's doing in Nigeria is beyond me ... other than that he's not a neo-SSPX yes man.  As you mentioned, he's working for souls, but other priests who don't have his talents could also do that work there.  During my first year at STAS, I had tested out of Latin class, so, as my reward, I was to spend every day during Latin class time working in the library, taking all the books that had recently been moved from Ridgefield, and many others that came in through donations, and put them all away in the library.  There were these beautiful wood shelves, but they were empty, and I had huge piles of boxes.  Not only did I unpack them all, but I came up with a cataloging system, since nearly all the books were related to Catholic theology, I came up with a classification / cataloging system, and put them all away.  Of course, once you had put a bunch out on the shelf, then a new box or boxes would come in and I might have to re-arrange half the library to fit them in where they belonged.  We also had a "hell room", a little room outside the main library where we put Modernist trash books that somehow found their way in.



    What I remember most about him was the fact that he constantly had a smile on his face.

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    Re: Prior Toupee in Sanford FL groveling for money
    « Reply #18 on: September 03, 2023, 02:55:09 PM »
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  • Yes, you are right.

    https://asccsanford.org/
    The question is:  Who is doing the confirmations?

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Prior Toupee in Sanford FL groveling for money
    « Reply #19 on: September 03, 2023, 02:57:44 PM »
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  • Here's another hint. ;)  While not in Nigeria, also hidden away in obscurity.



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    Re: Prior Toupee in Sanford FL groveling for money
    « Reply #20 on: September 03, 2023, 03:00:16 PM »
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  • Yes, he's one of those whom I had in mind.  Brilliant man ... though I don't agree with him on everything. 

    Another is Fr. Thierry Gaudray (France).

    He was professor of Ascetical and Mystical Theology, Gregorian Chant, and Dogma II at Winona when I was there.

    He was one of the 7 French Deans who protested the 2017 acceptance by the SSPX of Cardinal Muller's marriage guidelines.  He was demoted for his efforts.

    He also refused to attend the visit of Cardinal Brandmuller (RIP) to the Flavigny seminary, which earned him a ticket to Menzingen.

    And he also made a written protest to Bishop Fellay's response to the Letter of the Three Bishops, which also earned him a ticket to Menzingen.

    Yet for all that, he told me that the Resistance was a scandal, to be running around without superiors (this was in about 2016 or so), and to quit contacting him. 


    Back to Fr. Peter Scott, he told me he agreed with very little in my book.

    But for all that, I felt those protestations were acts of self-defense, and there were still some suppressed sympathies there.

    Obviously, Menzingen felt the same.




    PS: If there's a saint in the SSPX, it might be this man^^^
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Prior Toupee in Sanford FL groveling for money
    « Reply #21 on: September 03, 2023, 03:03:24 PM »
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  • If the US Superior weren't completely on board with the agenda, he wouldn't be a superior.

    I know of several +Williamson-era priests who are very talented, borderline brilliant, who are relegated to obscurity by the SSPX, some of them reporting to men who hadn't been ordained more than 2 or 3 years and who don't hold a candle to them in terms of experience, wisdom, intellect, or any other quality ... because these new ones have been properly indoctrinated as yes-men, whereas the former still have their anti-Conciliar attitudes about them.  I don't mention names only because I don't want to put them in "hot water" with the SSPX, but if I did mention them, all here would agree with me about their talents.
    Yes exactly right. In fact Fr. Fullerton signed off on one of the mission closings down here despite protests from parishioners. His name appears on the deed. 

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    Re: Prior Toupee in Sanford FL groveling for money
    « Reply #22 on: September 03, 2023, 03:06:14 PM »
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  • Yet for all that, he told me that the Resistance was a scandal, to be running around without superiors (this was in about 2016 or so), and back to Fr. Peter Scott, he told me he agreed with very little in my book.

    But for all that, I felt those protestations were acts of self-defense, and there were still some suppressed sympathies there.

    Right, there are reasons they didn't go with the Resistance.  I do believe that part of it has to do with the comfort of being in a larger organization.  Imagine an older priest now setting out on his own without any real means of support, etc.  Also, had they told you they agreed with your book and with the Resistance, and this got back to the SSPX, they'd be sent packing quickly.

    What I'm referring to is that if you hear them speak about various issues, the Conciliar Church, the New Mass, Modernism, etc. ... you will hear a completely different tone than what the new generations of priests have.  There's something about the way they THINK about the Crisis that is unacceptable to the neo-SSPX.


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    Re: Prior Toupee in Sanford FL groveling for money
    « Reply #23 on: September 03, 2023, 03:10:22 PM »
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  • The question is:  Who is doing the confirmations?
    Apparently, it's Bishop Tissier, but I don't know for sure. 

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    Re: Prior Toupee in Sanford FL groveling for money
    « Reply #24 on: September 03, 2023, 03:11:03 PM »
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  • Right, there are reasons they didn't go with the Resistance.  I do believe that part of it has to do with the comfort of being in a larger organization. 

     [...]

    There's something about the way they THINK about the Crisis that is unacceptable to the neo-SSPX.

    On the first topic, yes, I recall Fr. Doran telling another priest I knew that he was not comfortable with the resistance, because he was never really comfortable with being on the fringe (i.e., the old serpent of legalism was secretly gnawing away at him, and it ended with him joining the conciliar Maronite rite).

    On the second topic, yes, and that's why Menzingen sends such priests to places where they can exert little influence.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Prior Toupee in Sanford FL groveling for money
    « Reply #25 on: September 03, 2023, 03:14:04 PM »
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  • +Tissier is another failure to launch:

    He wrote penetrating book-length studies about BXVI's modernism, denunciations of the conciliar church, and had sporadic outbursts of resistance (which earned him house arrest in Chicago).

    Yet for all that, the thought of leaving the SSPX was insurmountable for him, and the fortitude was not backed by a confidence in providence, which resulted in his cpaitulation.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Prior Toupee in Sanford FL groveling for money
    « Reply #26 on: September 03, 2023, 03:50:09 PM »
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  • I suspect that there's an interplay of concerns, one being that of the discomfort with not being part of a larger organization, including practical concerns about who's going to provide for their material needs, or health issues (as many of the "old guard" are getting up there in years), which then feeds into this notion of not being a vagans priest, the former leading to rationalization in terms of the latter.  In essence, it would take a "red light" scenario for them to leave.  As long as they consider it to be a "yellow light" situation, they feel they can do more good for souls where they're at, not have to worry about their material needs, etc.  Until it gets to the point of creating a crisis for their own conscience, they don't feel enough of an incentive to leave.  So, for instance, a priest who harbored doubts about NO orders might be pushed to the brink by being stationed in the same priory as an NO priest who had not been conditionally ordained.  But short of something like that, they just don't see the urgency of parting ways with SSPX.

    So this would explain why they haven't actually broken with SSPX.  What I'm more focused on here is that they do think differently about the Crisis than the younger generations, and for that reason they're kept out of positions from which they might exert any influence (priors, seminary professors, superiors, etc.), whereas ordinarily these more experienced priests are the ones you would WANT to have influencing and guiding the younger ones.

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    Re: Prior Toupee in Sanford FL groveling for money
    « Reply #27 on: September 03, 2023, 04:46:56 PM »
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  • According to Bp Williamson "One soul, one diocese" - St. Francis de Sales
    What does this mean?

    Offline Ladislaus

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    « Reply #28 on: September 03, 2023, 05:15:19 PM »
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  • What does this mean?

    Good question.  And I'm not even sure who said what, since both Bishop Williamson and St. Francis de Sales are cited.

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    Re: Prior Toupee in Sanford FL groveling for money
    « Reply #29 on: September 03, 2023, 05:20:31 PM »
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  • The question is:  Who is doing the confirmations?
    Father's sermon, and the Florida website, both say Bishop Tissier de Mallerais.  And, contrary to another post here, the Confirmations are not next year but next month: October 14 in Sanford and October 15 in Davie.