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Offline alaric

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Re: Obey him! Call him Jorge!
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2019, 07:19:23 PM »
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  • Then we have a saint Karol who kissed the satanic book and wrote letters to a married woman.  
    I guess there are worst things popes can kiss than a book..... ::)


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    Re: Obey him! Call him Jorge!
    « Reply #16 on: November 17, 2019, 10:46:04 PM »
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  • I will still call him Pope Francis.


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    Re: Obey him! Call him Jorge!
    « Reply #17 on: November 17, 2019, 11:03:12 PM »
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  • How is it disrespectful for people who do not think a man is a pope to refrain from using a papal title for him?  It follows logically from their assumptions.
    I think that those people who spend most of their time criticizing and complaining about Pope Francis should also be the ones who pray for him the most.   

    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Obey him! Call him Jorge!
    « Reply #18 on: November 18, 2019, 01:22:33 AM »
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  • Poche, you are a serial habitual liar, even a Falsifier of Scripture.


    You willfully falsified Matthew 16:18. You substituted "you" for "it" to bolster your equally phony contention about Jorge.

    Quote from: poche on November 07, 2019, 04:55:39 AM
    "And the gates of Hell shall not prevail against you" -Jesus to Peter
    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/is-francis-the-pope/msg674301/#msg674301


    Repeatedly you have partially quoted Pope St. Pius X to falsify his attitude toward the Jews. Representative examples: https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367 https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/pius-xii-and-ww2-pius-the-liberal-and-roncalli-the-conservative/msg674407/#msg674407 You willfully omitted:

    "We are unable to favor this [Zionist] movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jews have not recognized Our Lord; therefore, we cannot recognize the Jewish people.... If you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will be ready with priests and churches to baptize all of you". (Pope St. Pius X)

    You also lied when you claimed that Jorge "preached against the Talmud" https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 and that Jorge was "paraphrasing St. Paul" when Jorge said Jesus "made himself the devil." https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg671082/#msg671082

    Your father is the father of lies and murder and you do his work.

    You have claimed that Jorge has “the same view” on the Jews as Pope St. Pius X. https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367  Directly to their faces Pope St. Pius X told the Jews of Jesus Christ and their need to convert. Jorge is the diametric opposite, not “the same.” Jorge confirms Talmudic Jews in their Faith and teaches their heretical dogmas to Catholics. Several examples here: http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html#talmudicantipope

    You are Satan's lying sack of dirt… again and again.

    Here is Jorge's full allocution: https://zenit.org/articles/holy-father-continues-catecheses-on-acts-of-the-apostles/

    First, there is not one word about the Talmud, not one stinking word.

    Second, contrary to your assertion that Jorge preached "how Christianity is distinct from the Jewish religion," https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 Jorge uses the metaphors of "the Open Door," "the common way," "synodality,"  Instead of making a distinction, Jorge proposes an indifferentist blend of Christ and Belial: "relation between faith in Christ and the observance of the Law of Moses."  The only "relation" recognized by the perennial and infallible Magisterium is that the Law of Moses died with Christ on the Cross—and, as expected, that dogma is entirely missing in Jorge's subversion.

    Third, Jorge cannot bring himself to teach de fide supersessionism, that the Law of Moses is dead, so instead he infers Talmudic Noahidism: "ask them only to reject idolatry and all its expressions." So Jorge did not "preach against the Talmud" as you claimed. Jorge did the exact opposite; he preached talmudic Noahidism.

    "Funny how you" constructed three lies in your one run-on sentence!

    Poche, you are a serial habitual liar, even a Falsifier of Scripture. Get thee behind me, Satan!

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    Re: Obey him! Call him Jorge!
    « Reply #19 on: November 18, 2019, 09:00:24 AM »
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  • I think that those people who spend most of their time criticizing and complaining about Pope Francis should also be the ones who pray for him the most.  
    It is not simply a matter of people criticizing and complaining about Pope Francis.  There are people who cannot understand how someone who does and says the things that he has could be the pope.  Rather than clearly guiding and teaching the Church, Pope Francis has created confusion, discouragement, and doubt.  He bears some responsibility for the situation.

    Yes, I acknowledge him as pope and I have a duty to pray for him.  But I do not have a duty to be silent about the harm that I see him doing.  


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    Re: Obey him! Call him Jorge!
    « Reply #20 on: November 18, 2019, 09:09:30 AM »
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  • It is not simply a matter of people criticizing and complaining about Pope Francis.  There are people who cannot understand how someone who does and says the things that he has could be the pope.  Rather than clearly guiding and teaching the Church, Pope Francis has created confusion, discouragement, and doubt.  He bears some responsibility for the situation.

    Yes, I acknowledge him as pope and I have a duty to pray for him.  But I do not have a duty to be silent about the harm that I see him doing.  
    "Pope Francis has created confusion, discouragement, and doubt. "  And, in so doing, he leads souls to damnation.   Poche's defense makes Poche an accomplice.

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    Re: Obey him! Call him Jorge!
    « Reply #21 on: November 18, 2019, 01:18:18 PM »
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  • Yes, I acknowledge him as pope and I have a duty to pray for him.  But I do not have a duty to be silent about the harm that I see him doing.  

    Or, worse yet, to condone it and approve of it.

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    Re: Obey him! Call him Jorge!
    « Reply #22 on: November 18, 2019, 02:10:54 PM »
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  • You make a good point… and also Wojtyla played sports with women.
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    Re: Obey him! Call him Jorge!
    « Reply #23 on: November 18, 2019, 07:26:39 PM »
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  • Then we have a saint Karol who kissed the satanic book and wrote letters to a married woman.  
    Call him Chuck.

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    Re: Obey him! Call him Jorge!
    « Reply #24 on: November 18, 2019, 07:44:15 PM »
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  • Whore Hey! leads the Whore of Babylon.

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    Re: Obey him! Call him Jorge!
    « Reply #25 on: November 18, 2019, 08:59:26 PM »
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  • The conundrum of the Catholic world:

    “How could the pope really be the pope if the pope is always right and is now also Bergoglio?”


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    Re: Obey him! Call him Jorge!
    « Reply #26 on: November 19, 2019, 01:06:53 AM »
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  • The conundrum of the Catholic world:

    “How could the pope really be the pope if the pope is always right and is now also Bergoglio?”
    Many years ago Cardinal Gibbens returned from one of his adlimina visits to the Vatican. This was just after Vatican I. One of the reporters who met him at the dock asked him, "do you really believe in papal infallibility?
    Cardinal Gibbens replied, "When I had my audience with his holiness, he called me Jibbens."  

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    Re: Obey him! Call him Jorge!
    « Reply #27 on: November 19, 2019, 09:04:56 AM »
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  • The Pope of Insults


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    Re: Obey him! Call him Jorge!
    « Reply #28 on: November 19, 2019, 11:50:54 AM »
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  • Many years ago Cardinal Gibbens returned from one of his adlimina visits to the Vatican. This was just after Vatican I. One of the reporters who met him at the dock asked him, "do you really believe in papal infallibility?
    Cardinal Gibbens replied, "When I had my audience with his holiness, he called me Jibbens."  

    Touché. My thinking also now.


     

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