Bernadette, are you saying you don't believe in Fatima? It is an apparition that is approved by the Church. Please correct me if that is not what you are saying.
I'm not an SSPXer yet believe in Fatima. I know that Raoul, who is a sede, used to deny Fatima but now accepts it. Most Trads believe in Fatima, from what I have observed.
No. I am not saying that I don't believe in Fatima. I do. But I also believe that the message of Fatima is no longer relevant for our times....I believe that the consecration has been made satisfactorily, and I believe that the SSPX continues to promote the Fatima lore as a sort of excuse or explanation for the ills of the world we live in. I just think that the focus is over the top. I was with the SSPX for nearly seven years and it is treated as though it is a doctrine...but the truth is, that no Catholic need believe in any private revelation if he so chooses. I would prefer keeping emphasis on the faith, not private revelation.
No longer relevant?!!! How can it no longer be relevant? You're living in it!!!!
"....I believe that the consecration has been made satisfactorily"
It was not made satisfactorily. Pope Pius XII consecrated Russia and attained an end to the worse persecution of Catholics behind the Iron Curtain but it was only he that did this and not with all the world's Bishops. It was PARTIALLY" fulfilled.
That's why the Blessed Mother said, "he (the Holy Father) will do it BUT it will be late." Hence it was only HE that did it, not with all the world's Bishops with him, it was "late", and so the full conversion of Russia and the end of the cold war did not happen. It was conditional as was the release/non-release of the 3rd secret. The enemies already had control of the church in 1960.
September 1958 A.D. -The Occult Plot is Finalized
(Excerpt from L’Eglise Eclipsé par Les Amis du Christ Roi de France 1997)
“Certainly,” he said. “The Church is in our hands.”
In 1977, Franco Bellegrandi, ex-Chamberlain of the Cape and the Sword of His Holiness and contributor to L’Osservatore Romano, wrote a book titled, NikitaRoncalli, which was published in 1994, accompanied by quite a commotion in the national press at its release because, among the persons present was Cardinal Silvio Oddi.
Cardinal Siri in 1958 before the Conclave:
He was Pius XII's hand-picked successor
In this book, he told what he had seen and heard at the Vatican. It was in September 1958, just before the Conclave, the author was privy to some confidential information:
"I was in a car with a person whom I knew to be a highly placed Mason who was in contact with the Vatican. He said to me: “The next Pope will not be Siri, as the gossip has it in certain Roman circles, because he is too authoritarian a cardinal. A conciliating Pope will be elected.
He has ALREADY been chosen, and is the Patriarch of Venice, Roncalli,” To this I replied: “
Are there Masons in the Conclave?” “Certainly,” he said. “The Church is in our hands.” After a brief silence, my interlocutor said, “No one can say where the leader can be found. The leader is hidden.”
The following day, Count Stella (of a well known Italian family---ED) wrote in an official docuмent, which today is in a notary’s safety deposit box, the first and last name of this person as well as his stupefying declaration, complete with the month, year, day, and time of day.” (Nichitaroncalli [NikitaRoncalli], Ediziones Eiles, Rome, p. 62)
(More from: L’Eglise Eclipsé par Les Amis du Christ Roi de France 1997)
This plan was also revealed in a letter by Cardinal Tisserant, March 12, 1970, in which he made a pointed allusion to the “planned” election of John XXIII:
The election of the current Sovereign Pontiff was done quickly. It is the election of Jean XXIII, that was discussed at numerous *meetings. I do not know of any information on the process was able to be given by anyone after the conclave.
Secrecy was imposed even more strictly than ever. It is completely ridiculous to say that any cardinal would have been elected. You understand that I can say no more. My best regards….(Photocopy of the letter published Franco Bellegrandi’s book, op. cit. p. 30)
In another letter, Cardinal Tisserant told a priest teaching canon law that the election
of John XXIII was illegitimate because it was willed and planned for by forces alien to the Holy Spirit. (“Vita” 18 September, 1977, p.4: “Le profezie sui papi nell’elenco di San Malachia”)-[“Prophecies on the popes by Saint Malachy”] These letters confirm that the election of John XXIII really was “programmed.”
From:
http://www.thepopeinred.com/1988.htm (quarter way down) Great
Site!!!!!
Also: About John XXIII...
http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/13_JohnXXIII.pdfSince you alluded earlier that you believe this masonic imposter/infiltrator was a "pope". :shocked: :sad: :detective: :roll-laugh1:
Here is the relevant quote from Malichi Martin and the original article Fr. Kramer wrote:
A Pope Under the Control of Satan? Malachi Martin, in his
last interview on the Art Bell Show, spoke of an
Anti-Pope. There was a caller calling in from Australia, and he said that a Jesuit had revealed to him that in the Third Secret it is
revealed that there will be, as it were, a pope who was entirely in the control of the devil. Malachi answered, "that sounds like the verbatim words of the Secret." Hmmmm.... "McFly is anybody home?" :reporter: :dwarf:
There's way more where this came from. This should be enough to start putting some pieces together. :reporter: :detective:
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