Author Topic: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc (Read 813754 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #915 on:** **Yesterday** at 07:00:44 AM »

Quote from: Incredulous on October 14, 2026, 12:20:08 PM

Spaniards and an Irishman?

Looks like wall-to-wall Sephardic jews at the Consecrations to me

Yeah, I'm sure you can tell that from these grainy / blurry pictures. I'm not seeing the typical physiognomy in profile LOL (i.e. the nasal profile).

So, of the initial Consecrands, the one that's intringuing would be Father Camilo Puga, and pre-Vatican-II-ordained priest. While the fact that Dominguez and Corral were not qualified to be priests or bishops would be a problem for assessing the validity of subsequent Ordinations / Consecrations they performed, +Puga was in fact a priest, properly educated before Vatican II, so where he was performing Ordinations or assisting at least in Consecrations, those would be presumed valid.

Plus, these were public Rites, witnessed by thousands, AND you had a priest (or two?) assisting ... so that would meet even Bishop Kelly's extreme (and frabricated) requirements for validity. I bet you could even find audio tape or even video tape of the Rites (if you reached out to the Palmarians).

So the 3 Spaniards were: Dominguez, Corral, and Fr. Puga
Fr. Donnelly (Irish) [very weak link to Jєωιѕн roots, as there are MANY Donnelly's who are not Jєωιѕн]
Fr. Sandler (US) [any relation to Adam?]

So the other two were priests as well, but Fr. Donnelly left them shortly thereafter, and ended up in Miami FL, dying in 1982.

Fr. Sandler left shortly after also, but then returned, left again, returned again, and died in Palmar in 1992.

But those two did not perform any consecrations for Palmar.

+Puga, however did, and the ones he performed are to be presumed valid, even if Dominguez / Corral's could be questioned due to their lack of training.

Persto · « **Reply #916 on:** **Yesterday** at 10:06:39 AM »

Quote from: Persto on Yesterday at 06:20:17 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmarian_Catholic_Church
http://www.tboyle.net/Catholicism/Thuc_Consecrations.html

Sephardic/ Marrano/ Jєωιѕн Names
All of the men ordained and/or consecrated By Abp. Thuc:

Spaniard: Clemente Dominguez y Gomez
Claimed on Palmarian website to be descended from the tribe of Judah.
Dominguez: This name is listed among surnames of Jews tried by the Inquisition and is associated with Sephardic ancestry. Dominguez appears in records of Jєωιѕн families in the Americas and is often cited in genealogical research regarding Sephardic heritage.
Gómez: The surname is identified by sources such as the Holy Office of the Catholic Church of Spain as a Sephardic name. It was adopted during "forced" conversions; many Jєωιѕн families in Argentina and the Americas retained this surname after returning to Judaism or maintaining crypto-Jєωιѕн traditions.

Spaniard: Manuel Alonso Corral
Alonso: is frequently cited in genealogical records of Sephardic families, with historical figures like Alonso Calle (treasurer on Columbus's first voyage) identified as having Sephardic roots.
Corral: this name appears in lists of Sephardic surnames. It is listed alongside other names used by Sephardic Jews in Spain and Portugal.

American: Francis Bernard Sandler (1917–1992; an American Catholic convert from Rabbinic Judaism who was a Benedictine and had served as a parish priest in Sweden, also known as Fulgencio)

Irishman: Paul Gerald Fox (who took the religious name Abraham)
Fox is a recognized Jєωιѕн surname, primarily serving as an Anglicized form of the German and αѕнкenαzιc Jєωιѕн name Fuchs (meaning "fox"). It is considered a common αѕнкenαzι Jєωιѕн last name, often adopted as an ornamental name or derived from German words for the animal, which was used as a nickname for someone with red hair or a cunning nature.

Irishman: Francis Coll (who took the religious name Gabriel)
There are docuмented Jєωιѕн families in Argentina with the surname Coll, including burial records in the Jєωιѕн cemetery of La Tablada, Buenos Aires.
Variants and Derivations: The name is considered a variant or Americanized spelling of the German Jєωιѕн surname Kohl (meaning "cabbage," an occupational name). It is also linked to the surname Cole, which sources note can be a Jєωιѕн ornamental name or a shortened form of a compound name. Additionally, some Jєωιѕн families historically anglicized names like Cohen to Cole. Cole=Coll just a different spelling.

Frenchman: Louis Henri Moullins (who took the religious name Zacarias)
https://www.Jєωιѕнencyclopedia.com/articles/10935-molln-molin
According to the Jєωιѕн encyclopedia this is a Jєωιѕн name. Moullins is a variant of Molin.
"Name of a family of Mayence. The name , which, according to D. Kaufmann ("Der Grabstein des R. Jacob ben Moses ha-Levi," in 'Monatsschrift,' xlii. 26), is to be read 'Molin' rather than 'Mölln,' is not intended to indicate the place from which Moses came, but is a personal name, as is evidenced by the fact that one of the sons of MaHaRIL is called simply 'Molin,' after the name of his grandfather. 'Molin' is usually considered to be a pet name for Moses. "

Irishman: Michael Thomas Donnelly (Consecrated 1-11-1976) Jєωιѕн?
2 sources say this is a Jєωιѕн name:
Name Donnelly
Religion Jєωιѕн
Gender Unisex
Meaning Righteous, Lush
Origin Irish Italian
https://www.prokerala.com/kids/baby-names/donnelly-32022.html
https://angelsname.com/unique-hebrew/meaning/boy/donnelly
Jєωιѕн presence in Ireland dates back to 1079.
Origins: Jєωιѕн presence dates back to the medieval era, with permanent settlement re-established in the 16th century by Sephardic refugees from Spain and Portugal, Many Jews settled in Ireland following their expulsion from Spain and Portugal during the Inquisition, followed by αѕнкenαzι immigration from Central and Eastern Europe in the 19th century.

Spaniard: Camilo Leandro Estevez Puga de Maside (Consecrated 1-11-1976)
Estevez: Research indicates that Estevez may also be of Jєωιѕн origin, specifically linked to Crypto-Jєωιѕн/Sephardic communities in Spain and Portugal. Some sources suggest the name was adopted by Jews during the Inquisition period or retained from Hebrew-derived naming conventions in Iberia.
Puga is widely recognized as a Sephardic surname, frequently appearing in lists of names associated with Sephardic Jews and New Christians in Spain and Portugal. The specific compound Puga de Maside ndicates a family from the town of Maside in the province of Ourense, Galicia. Puga is listed among common Sephardic and converso surnames, often linked to families who converted or fled during the Inquisition.

Sephardic/ Marrano/ Jєωιѕн Names
All of the men ordained and/or consecrated By Abp. Thuc: (At Palmar de Troya)

MiracleOfTheSun · « **Reply #917 on:** **Yesterday** at 03:07:57 PM »

Well that there certainly is a cohencidence.

Persto · « **Reply #918 on:** **Today** at 06:56:29 AM »

https://magnuslundberg.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/palmar-second-edition.pdf
http://www.tboyle.net/Catholicism/Thuc_Consecrations.html

Fr. Mayne kneeling in center, to the right of him is Manuel, Clemente with miter, and Estevez Puga at the far right

The Real Motivation of Clemente and Manuel Becomes Evident

"With the Thuc consecrations in January 1976, the Palmarians asserted that they had secured their much sought-after apostolic succession and could start making bishops of their own."

Conveniently on:
"On January 27, 1976, Clemente asserted that Christ had appeared to him saying:

My dear son: As the bishop you are, you have to exercise your power to lay hands, as it is my decision that the following should be consecrated bishops [Christ names three priests who are members of the Order]. I need many bishops, more than you think, as this flock has to be multiplied around the world. It is necessary to have an Episcopal College to be able to receive Pope Paul VI at this Holy Site, he who will rule and govern the Church from this Holy Site."

The day after, Clemente Domínguez, together with Manuel Alonso and Camilo Estévez Puga consecrated not three, but four, new bishops. The new bishops included the man who had brought Archbishop Thuc to El Palmar in the first place: Maurice Revaz (later Fr. Hermenguildo María). He left the Palmarians about two years later. The second, Frenchman Louis Moulins disassociated himself with the Palmarians five months later. The third, Irishman Francis Cull left in 1978, while the fourth, Irishman Paul Fox (later Fr. Abraham María), was still with the Palmarians four decades later.

"In an interview from 1976, Revaz told about how he joined the Palmarian movement, but he did not mention his role in bringing Thuc to El Palmar." (Ulia 1976: 140-144. Cf Vigilantes semper 2015)

Clemente, Manuel, and Estevez Puga also consecrated again in February and March. By creating the Palmarian order on December 22, 1975, they were able to make their group seem more legitimate to Abp. Thuc, and at the same time it would ensure that large donors would be attracted by tax exemptions, and thus they would profit financially. The more bishops they had, the more they could attract new members to join them, increase their influence, and secure more donations.

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Name	Donnelly
Religion	Jєωιѕн
Gender	Unisex
Meaning	Righteous, Lush
Origin	Irish Italian