Wish I could share your optimism. The Catholic Church, even in its European strongholds is coming under continuous strong pressure from liberal Anglocentric culture. Ordination of women priests will be with us within twenty years, followed by acceptance of gαy relationships. Politics is the art of the possible, and the Catholic Church simply cannot push its own conservative doctrine succesfully anymore. Catholicism will have to adapt or die. Sad but true.

I think, seeing the rapidly increasing aggression of the Zionists, pro-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, and feminists, and the way the "conservative" and "traditional" Catholics acquiesce and make excuses for perfidious sellouts, then this scenario is far more likely than most suspect.

Let me just say we'll know beyond any plausible deniability who's a complete fake as far as Catholicism is concerned sooner than you think.

People wanting to tie the SSPX to Rome on the current trajectory Rome is on are profoundly delusional or absolutely lacking in Catholic sense.

You're both correct.

It's unfortunately true these things are on the horizon, and they'll be here sooner
than we think if God does not intervene. It was foretold thousands of years ago
by Our Lord and Savior Himself:

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall put you to death :
and you shall be hated by all nations for my name's sake.
10 And shall many be scandalized : and shall betray one another : and shall
hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall arise and shall seduce many.
12 And because iniquity hath abounded, the charity of many shall grow cold.
Matt. xxiv.

What does it take before a pope becomes a false prophet -- does that mean
he's not pope? How about 5 in a row: if they weren't popes then they wouldn't
be pulling off the big seduction that they're doing.

How many faithful must be seduced by the "many false prophets" before
we recognize that Scripture, nay, the very WORDS of GOD, are being fulfilled
before our unbelieving eyes?

Seduced -- what a providential word, in these times, no?????  :shocked:

And when shall they put us to death?

The ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activist movement will not rest until it becomes mandatory,
by law, that everyone be ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, and anyone who resists that pit-of-hell
ideology will be guilty of a crime punishable by death. We're a lot closer
to that state of affairs today than we were when it first became evident.

Even so, we must pray and do penance, because:

13 He that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.

Which reminds me, final perseverance is a grace, but unlike other graces,
this is the one grace that cannot be earned by merit. There is no indulgence,
no blessing, that can assure us of final perseverance. And for those who
postpone their conversion, or delay receiving the sacraments, final
perseverance becomes very elusive for them, indeed.

St. Alphonsus Liguori, Doctor of the Church, in his book, Preparation for
Death, teaches that there are two graces that we ought to pray for
daily: Love of God and final perseverance. By persevering in our daily
prayer for divine love and perseverance, we come as close as we could
ever come to meriting the graces, but the final judgment is up to God, for
He can see our hearts.

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Wish I could share your optimism. The Catholic Church, even in its European strongholds is coming under continuous strong pressure from liberal Anglocentric culture. Ordination of women priests will be with us within twenty years, followed by acceptance of gαy relationships. Politics is the art of the possible, and the Catholic Church simply cannot push its own conservative doctrine succesfully anymore. Catholicism will have to adapt or die. Sad but true.

I think, seeing the rapidly increasing aggression of the Zionists, pro-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, and feminists, and the way the "conservative" and "traditional" Catholics acquiesce and make excuses for perfidious sellouts, then this scenario is far more likely than most suspect.

Let me just say we'll know beyond any plausible deniability who's a complete fake as far as Catholicism is concerned sooner than you think.

People wanting to tie the SSPX to Rome on the current trajectory Rome is on are profoundly delusional or absolutely lacking in Catholic sense.

Yes, the idea that the Conciliar Church desperately needs the 550 priests of the SSPX to bolster up it priestly stock is just nonsense. The so-called vocations crisis in that Church can/will be solved by the allowing of married/women clergy.

There are tens of thousands of nuns still wearing the habit and performing all sorts of pastoral/liturgical work in places like Poland, and across Asia and Africa. Will they refuse the priesthood if it is opened up to them?

Bishop Fellay has not looked beyond his nose. Some of his own priests say that he has been totally enraptured by Pope Ratzinger.

I made the prediction last year that the final thing Grand Massa' B16 will do before he dies or resigns is to all the ordination of female deacons.  He will do this, and the sheeple will accept it, because of the permanent diaconate.  The powers-that-be will say "Don't worry, they can never become priests!"  And the lay people won't care because their beloved women will be doing everything anyway--weddings, communion services, giving sermons, etc.  The sheeple will gladly accept this because they won't want to close any more parishes.  

It will happen and B16 will do, but not until he "regularizes" the Society.  That is the final nail in the coffin of tradition.  Once that is done, he can proceed with the mish-mash Mass that combines parts of the True Mass and parts of the Novus Ordo.  

It's all coming down very rapidly because B16 is getting old.  

Hang on folks, it's gonna be a bumpy ride....

The conciliar church has technically already accepted gαy marriage. Benedict hasn't said that he does, but a LOT of NO priests, bishops, and even cardinals have.

I think the original blog quote has it exactly backwards.  Acceptance of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is categorized as "any day now" whereas women priests could take between 5-50 years.

What do we do?

We stay the course and remain faithful to the Traditions of the Roman Catholic Church.

If the conciliar church ordains the girls, well, did the CMRI do it too?  

How about any other sede group?

And I'm really getting tired of others telling us that "Catholicism" will have to adapt of die as if it's all just a popularity contest anyway.  Most conciliarists are attending lutheran-styled worship services anyway and don't even know it.    

I think the reason the conciliarists haven't ordained women is because the drop in Mass attendance would be even more severe although conciliarists are spiritual zombies, so I could be the one thinking optimistically there.  :stare:

I wonder -- if the Conciliar Church begins blessing the unspeakable vice and ordaining women as priestesses or deaconesses, then will people finally consider that whichever "Pontiff" promulgates such decrees could not be a Pontiff at all ?  One can only go so far in mental gymnastics; most don't have the capacity to endure it.  If the neo-cons and recognise-and-resisters start admitting the majority theological opinion prior to the Robber Council regarding what happens when an apparent Pope begins to either teach heresy or manifestly abandons the Catholic Faith, why would they not also apply it to the rest of the Conciliar Papacy ?  I know some would be more inclined than others, and obviously there would be no monolithic bloc.  There would likely be many different schools :  Some would follow the Remnant's ideas, others would follow the SSPX-related group associated with the three bishops, others would follow the SSPX-related group associated with those who break away from Bishop Fellay but not with the three bishops, others would follow the SSPX-related group associated with Bishop Fellay and Maximilian Krah, others would follow Robert Sungenis or somebody like that, then there's the FSSP, the IBP, the Fr Michael Mary group at Papa Stronsay, and then the neo-Cons would follow their Jimmy Akin's, Patrick Madrid's, and so on and so forth.  Once the major premise is granted, however -- and it will have to be granted in such a scenario, -- conclusions will have to follow accordingly.

No gymnastics needed really.  Your first assumption is that conciliarists will care, when the vast majority are either indifferent to those blatant heresies or, even worse, full-throated supporters.  Even for those conservative conciliarists whose meager sensus catholicus suffers the faint prick of doubt or indignation, and haven't already left in the face of scandal vis-á-vis the rampant child predation, most accept as licit the repeatedly-condemn notion of doctrinal speciation.  So, I really wouldn't expect much of a reaction either way.

As for resisters, they're already used to ignore the would-be Pontiffs commands anyway.  They would just say that the "liberal infection" in his mind had just gotten worse.  :wink:

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I wonder -- if the Conciliar Church begins blessing the unspeakable vice and ordaining women as priestesses or deaconesses, then will people finally consider that whichever "Pontiff" promulgates such decrees could not be a Pontiff at all ?  One can only go so far in mental gymnastics; most don't have the capacity to endure it.  If the neo-cons and recognise-and-resisters start admitting the majority theological opinion prior to the Robber Council regarding what happens when an apparent Pope begins to either teach heresy or manifestly abandons the Catholic Faith, why would they not also apply it to the rest of the Conciliar Papacy ?  I know some would be more inclined than others, and obviously there would be no monolithic bloc.  There would likely be many different schools :  Some would follow the Remnant's ideas, others would follow the SSPX-related group associated with the three bishops, others would follow the SSPX-related group associated with those who break away from Bishop Fellay but not with the three bishops, others would follow the SSPX-related group associated with Bishop Fellay and Maximilian Krah, others would follow Robert Sungenis or somebody like that, then there's the FSSP, the IBP, the Fr Michael Mary group at Papa Stronsay, and then the neo-Cons would follow their Jimmy Akin's, Patrick Madrid's, and so on and so forth.  Once the major premise is granted, however -- and it will have to be granted in such a scenario, -- conclusions will have to follow accordingly.

No gymnastics needed really.  Your first assumption is that conciliarists will care, when the vast majority are either indifferent to those blatant heresies or, even worse, full-throated supporters.  Even for those conservative conciliarists whose meager sensus catholicus suffers the faint prick of doubt or indignation, and haven't already left in the face of scandal vis-á-vis the rampant child predation, most accept as licit the repeatedly-condemn notion of doctrinal speciation.  So, I really wouldn't expect much of a reaction either way.

As for resisters, they're already used to ignore the would-be Pontiffs commands anyway.  They would just say that the "liberal infection" in his mind had just gotten worse.  :wink:

I always find it interesting, my good friends, that sede's often use something like that (in this case, female 'priests') as the point to which you'd wonder if many traditionalists would finally to convert to your persuasion.

I wonder, in all humility, why that is... :detective:

Indifferentism is the very lifeblood of the conciliarist churchgoer.