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Offline Gray2023

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Re: Praying for the damned increases their suffering?
« Reply #80 on: Yesterday at 04:33:14 PM »
Amen. To most of this.

Regarding the last part, Eucharistic Miracles confirm the validity of the New Mass. The issue in the NOM is not validity. It is what Theologians call "integrity", stripping away much of the other parts of the Holy Mass, other than the bare essentials necessary for validity. So the Mass will still be valid, as Indult Trad Priest Fr. Ripperger teaches, but the Mass will merit fewer graces as far as the extrinsic effects of the Mass are concerned. Fr. Ripperger explains this in detail in his article, the Merit of a Mass.

An excerpt here: "However, when we consider the rituals themselves, it is possible to arrive at which is more meritorious.

The new rite is “streamlined” in the sense that those who wrote it sought to simplify the ritual. This resulted in less pomp, so in this respect we may say the old rite is more meritorious than the new. We have mentioned in a prior article that the old rite excels the newer rituals with regard to the virtues."

https://menaschrist.wordpress.com/the-merit-of-a-mass/

The demons can replicate most of the miracles, just like the fake Marian apparitions.  Father Ripperger scares me because he thinks demons give him useful information.

God doesn't make mistakes.   Man does.  

Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Praying for the damned increases their suffering?
« Reply #81 on: Yesterday at 06:24:06 PM »
He actually doesn't.  If he is truly attending an indult (if you have a sense of humor, I first typed insult) mass, then he is following the Popes, he believes has authority.  He is probably in a better position than you, because he is consistent and doesn't follow his own lead.

The problem I have is that I am not sure the body and blood of Jesus is there in his mass, because all the changes were so drastic and we don't have a current authority we can trust.
Gray you clearly struggle with basic logic. The changes of vatican 2 contradict what the church has always taught. The Vatican 2 claimants were/are public heretics and apostates and promote those errors.

The logic of the changes of the new rites make clear to me that I must avoid them to be consistent with what the Church has taught barring the contractions of Vatican 2.


Re: Praying for the damned increases their suffering?
« Reply #82 on: Today at 01:59:43 AM »
That's idiotic.  No, the Dimonds do not deny the slim chance (St. Alphonsus puts it at one in a million where someone does not die as they had lived) that there may have been an illumination that was not known to others.
Lol. You clearly don't even know the Dimonds' view on this issue:

Watch this:

The Dimonds are pure schismatics here and would condemn even your view as heretical. The Dimonds don't agree with Saint Alphonsus, and regularly accuse him of "blatant errors" on the BOD subject, like when the Doctor classified BOD as De Fide. I agree with Saint Alphonsus. I condemn and reject the Dimonds' view. The Dimonds condemn your view, too, so stop making it look like they agree with you! Lol!


Here's the Transcript:


"This is Brother Peter Dimond, schismatic-home-aloner.com.


I wanted to talk about the heretical idea and position that people who die outside the Catholic Church or without faith in Christ can be considered as possibly saved by a mysterious special revelation that they supposedly can receive at their deaths, or during the death event, or while their soul is leaving their body.


This heretical idea came up recently in a debate we had (which is available) with a defender of salvation outside the Church—a person who believes that souls can be saved in non-Catholic religions, who agrees with priests who explicitly teach that pagans, Jews, etc., can be saved. He also contradicts himself constantly, as the debate shows.


One of the things he stated in the debate was this idea that we cannot say people who die outside the Church are necessarily lost, because they might be able to receive this mysterious internal-forum special revelation at the death event or as they’re dying, during which Christ can give them an extra special chance to receive the Catholic Faith or choose yes or no.


This idea is obviously heretical because the dogma of the Church declares that you must enter the Catholic Church and have the Catholic Faith throughout your life. You cannot receive it at death." [LOL. Comical Error, from Peter Dimond]

Lol. No Peter Dimond, YOU are obviously heretical. Lol. Peter Dimond's errors, schisms and heresies would be almost comical if not for the more tragic aspect of poor confused, blind, lost souls who follow his errors and heresies almost verbatim, or think they do.

So, do you condemn this heretical opinion of the Dimonds, Ladislaus, or do you agree with them on this point? 

Re: Praying for the damned increases their suffering?
« Reply #83 on: Today at 02:09:59 AM »
The demons can replicate most of the miracles, just like the fake Marian apparitions.  Father Ripperger scares me because he thinks demons give him useful information.

God doesn't make mistakes.  Man does. 
Well, Gray, couple of things. Demons cannot replicate Transubstantiation, because some things, like Creation ex nihilo, or Transubstantiation, is above the power of demons. Only God Himself can create from nothing. Only God Himself can change one substance into another, and cause the first substance to cease to exist, as is the case in Transubstantiation. When the Bread is changed into the Body, or the Wine into the Blood, and that visibly as in Eucharistic Miracles, the mere bread or the mere wine, in substance, ceases to exist. The demons can't do this, so I don't believe this is demonic. What would be the point anyway? Millions of Catholics are confirmed, encouraged, strengthened in their Faith through such miracles. You really think God allowed it just so Satan could trick a few sedes who believe the new rites are invaid? I doubt it. Anyway, regarding the second point, demons themselves are untrustworthy, sure, but demons can be compelled by God to speak the Truth. We have at least two clear proofs of this, from Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition, respectively. (1) In Sacred Scripture, the demons are compelled to confess the Truth that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the Holy One. (2) In Sacred Tradition, the demons are compelled by Our Lady, the Rosary and Saint Dominic, to confess the Power of Mary's Intercession among the Saints.

Re: Praying for the damned increases their suffering?
« Reply #84 on: Today at 02:34:55 AM »
I just saw this quote on another website. Yet another refutation of the Dimondist view on this subject, from the Blesseds and the Saints: 

“I have seen in purgatory Protestants who were pious in their ignorance. They are very desolate, for no prayers are offered for them.”

Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich