Author Topic: Praying for the damned increases their suffering? (Read 55866 times)

Soubirous · « **Reply #25 on:** August 12, 2026, 08:30:36 AM »

Quote from: Soubirous on August 12, 2026, 08:07:12 AM

Suggestion: Pray daily the Litany for the Poor Souls in Purgatory and all of your bases are covered. No individuals' names, just categories sure to include everyone who qualifies for our prayers according to the unchanging teachings of the Church. Remember also that Our Lady allocates our prayers as needed, so no mistaken worries ever this way about wasted or misdirected prayers.

PS, logic says you can adapt the first three lines of that litany for cases not applicable to your situation, e.g., the person is still alive, or maybe you don't have a brother or a sister. The rest of that litany stands as is.

Gray2023 · « **Reply #26 on:** August 12, 2026, 08:36:53 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn on August 12, 2026, 07:37:36 AM

There are other examples, but I picture a Muslim who got caught and killed right after he just raped and cut off the girl's head. Now there is a guy that I personally believe to be in hell. Aside from possibly saying to myself - "May God have mercy on his soul," we should not pray for that guy.

Now if a devoted baptist preacher were to die during his sermon, we do not pray for him because we are certain he died outside of the Church. On that account and per the dogma, we know that man has no hope of salvation, which is the reason that we do not pray for him.

So this brings up the question what is fallible or infallible?

I think I now understand what some people I know are trying to say when they say we give to much power to what a Pope says.

The question we have to ask ourself first, is who does this serve? Who does it serve that you not pray for him?

It makes people pray less. It makes people lose charity. It makes. It makes people lean into rash judgments.

Does those results serve God or Satan?

Gray2023 · « **Reply #27 on:** August 12, 2026, 08:37:52 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn on August 12, 2026, 07:37:36 AM

There are other examples, but I picture a Muslim who got caught and killed right after he just raped and cut off the girl's head. Now there is a guy that I personally believe to be in hell. Aside from possibly saying to myself - "May God have mercy on his soul," we should not pray for that guy.

Now if a devoted baptist preacher were to die during his sermon, we do not pray for him because we are certain he died outside of the Church. On that account and per the dogma, we know that man has no hope of salvation, which is the reason that we do not pray for him.

So this brings up the question what is fallible or infallible?

I think I now understand what some people I know are trying to say when they say we give to much power to what a Pope says.

The question we have to ask ourself first, is who does this serve? Who does it serve that you not pray for him?

It makes people pray less. It makes people lose charity. It makes. It makes people lean into rash judgments.

Does those results serve God or Satan?

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #28 on:** August 12, 2026, 08:42:02 AM »

Quote from: AnthonyPadua on August 12, 2026, 05:43:13 AM

Regardless if that is true, later Popes have said not to pray for deceased non-Catholics.

This applies to PUBLIC prayer. The Church cannot offer PUBLIC prayers for dead non-catholics. This would include mass stipends or any public mention of them.

But PRIVATE prayers (not associated with church or public worship) are still allowed.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #29 on:** August 12, 2026, 08:47:28 AM »

Quote from: AMDGJMJ on August 12, 2026, 06:04:06 AM

The Church Permits Prayers for the Dead for Everyone.

Over generalization. Public/formal vs private prayer is detailed below.

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The Catholic Encyclopedia makes this clear:

“There is no restriction by Divine or ecclesiastical law as to those of the dead for whom private prayer may be offered – except that they may not be offered formally either for the blessed in Heaven or for the damned. Not only for the faithful who have died in external communion with the Church, but for deceased non-Catholics, even the unbaptized, who may have died in the state of grace, one is free to offer his personal prayers and good works; nor does the Church’s prohibition of her public offices for those who have died out of external communion with her affect the strictly personal element in her minister’s acts. For all such she prohibits the public offering of the Sacrifice of the Mass (and of other liturgical offices); but theologians commonly teach that a priest is not forbidden to offer the Mass in private for the repose of the soul of any one who, judging by probable evidence, may be presumed to have died in faith and grace, provided, at least, he does not say the special requiem Mass with the special prayer in which the deceased is named, since this would give the offering a public and official character.”

CathInfo.com

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