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I seem to be stuck in a personal limbo where I can no longer accept that these men who claim the titles of "pope" and "bishops" are wielding true authority given the manifest contradictions promulgated by pope and council over the last 50 years. I am familiar with the arguments FOR SVism and find the arguments, on the face of them, to be systematic and logical. The arguments for R&R are becoming increasingly untenable as well, imho.

I have some questions regarding the actual ramifications of this theory, if true. 5 anti-popes in a row, 50+ years of an empty throne....

If SVism is true, does it logically follow that all the world's bishops are also devoid of authority? Are there some based on either age or orthodoxy true bishops? How could we ever hope to elect another true pope if the college of cardinals are mostly heretics? Does SVism automatically mean that the True Church has been reduced to a few dozen independent chapels scattered throughout the world under a handleful of valid bishops/priests?

Thanks.

There is no such thing as 'sede vacantism'.

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All of your questions are answered here,,,,
http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/21_Objections.pdf

that answer nothing at all, those people are scam artists and kooks, short and simple......sorry you fall for it.....HFM is a front

They are what you say, but they provide the truth in that link as it is the Church's teaching they present, not their own.  If you read the response to the objections disspassionately without considering who it is, in this case, who presents the teachings, you will have trouble refuting the responses, because they are irrefutable.  Well respected people give us the same responses to those objections.

The link provided is a good link, though the Dimonds themselves, do not appear to be good people.

Can you give me examples of why you think they are not good people and scam artists?

There is plnety out there over the yrs, so nok, not wasting my time on them so you can have it all on a silver plate and do no research at all. Sungenis, Salza, Matatics, Drolesky,et al have all had articles and comemtns on them......so too many others....
do the research, I have, want NOTHING to do with Dimonds and am rather sad for you if you do...

Are you talking about this  Sungensis

Bob Sungenis, On Vatican II: "Let me assure you that I consider Vatican II a legitimateecuмenical council. I will go one stepfurther and say that it was a council that contains no error.” (found in Question 9, Dec. 2003)

Luther, Calvin & Henry also believed that S rev around E.  :confused1: :confused1:

MO is that the imposter Sr Lucia is one of the few things Dimonds have correct.

Sungenis thinks that S rev around E :confused1:

what does s rev around e mean?

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Sungenis thinks that S rev around E :confused1:

what does s rev around e mean?

It means: sun revolves around earth, which is geocentrism.

Are U familiar with Mary Ball Martinez? She is another of the libelers of Card Rampolla. Her theory is that ever since Rampolla attended the Capranica(sp?) Institue he was imbued with liberalism. This has then infected his deciples which include Pius XII & brought about the ruin of the Church( v2).

Before this goes any further it needs to be remembered that Card Rampolla only saw Della Chiesa 4 or 5 times( & always at the instigation of the latter) during the last 26 yrs of his life.

Are U familiar with Mary Ball Martinez? She is another of the libelers of Card Rampolla. Her theory is that ever since Rampolla attended the Capranica(sp?) Institue he was imbued with liberalism. This has then infected his deciples which include Pius XII & brought about the ruin of the Church( v2).

Before this goes any further it needs to be remembered that Card Rampolla only saw Della Chiesa 4 or 5 times( & always at the instigation of the latter) during the last 26 yrs of his life.

I couldn't find much about Mary Ball

, I found this ,not sure it relates to what you are talking about because I couldn't find a Rompalla


JOHN XXIII SAID TO BE A FREEMASON
Yves Marsaudon, the aforementioned French Freemason and author, also claims that Roncalli [John XXIII] became a thirty-third degree Mason while a nuncio at France. Mary Ball Martinez wrote that the French Republican Guards from their posts observed: “…the Nuncio [Roncalli] in civilian clothes leaving his residence to attend the Thursday evening meetings of the Grand Orient [Masonic Lodge] of France. Whereas exposure to such a dramatic conflict of loyalties would unnerve the average man, be he Catholic or Freemason, Angelo Roncalli seems to have taken it in his stride.”12
The Magazine 30 Days also held an interview