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Offline Binechi

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PPXII and The Demise of The Mass
« on: June 20, 2017, 05:17:00 PM »
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  • Did Pope Pius XII Prophesy in 1948 the Demise of the Church?
    Ironically, in 1949 Pius XII Himself Appointed the Church's Mass Destroyer

    From: The TRADITIO Fathers


    In 1949 Pope Pius XII Wrote a Discourse "To the Faithful"
     That Prophesied the Defection of the "Institutional" Church
     In Exactly the Way that We See It Compromised Today
     Filled with Doctrinal and Moral Heresy and Defective Newpopes
     Ironically, It Was Pius XII Himself Who Appointed in 1949
     The Church's Mass Destroyer, the Freemason Presbyter Hannibal Bugnini
     Who Was Behind the Anti-Catholic Gutting of Holy Week in 1955
     The Half New Order Mess of 1962 and the Invalid New Mess of 1969






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    Re: PPXII and The Demise of The Mass
    « Reply #1 on: June 20, 2017, 05:18:05 PM »
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  • On February 20, 1949, Pope Pius XII (r. 1939-1958) gave a discourse "To the Faithful" little noted at the time, called simply Ancora una volta [Yet again]. The direct impetus for the discourse was to condemn the persecution of Christians in Eastern Europe by Socialist and Communist dictatorships. In the discourse, Pius XII prophesied an heretical and cowardly "institutional" Church that would "weaken the law of God, adapting it to the taste of human desires, when she should loudly proclaim and defend it" and would give herself over to "the shifting sands of the opinions of the day."
    Pius XII even seemed to foresee the return of heretic popes, of the kind that infected the Church in the fourth century, who adopted the Arian heresy that denied the divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Asked Pius XII: "Can you imagine a Successor of the first Peter, who would bow to similar demands?" Traditional Catholics will easily recognize that Pius XII's prophecy has been fulfilled in the Newchurch of the New Order and its Newpopes Paul VI-Montini, JPII-Wojtyla, Benedict-Ratzinger, and, most especially, Francis-Bergoglio. Out of the mouths of these Newpopes has come heretically-tinged and outright heretical docuмents and statements. Pius XII describes in detail what the fallen Church of the future would be -- and he certainly hit the nail on the head, as we see in post Vatican II times:
    • a Church that remains silent, when she should speak out
    • a Church that weakens the law of God, adapting it to the taste of human desires, when she should loudly proclaim and defend it
    • a Church that detaches herself from the unwavering foundation upon which Christ built her, in order to repose comfortably on the shifting sands of the opinions of the day or to give herself up to the passing current
    • a Church that does not withstand the oppression of conscience and does not protect the legitimate rights and the just liberties of the people
    • a Church that, with indecorous servility, remains enclosed within the four walls of the temple, which forgets the divine mandate received from Christ: "Go ye therefore into the highways" (Matthew 22:9/DRV) and "teach ye all nations" (Matthew 28:19/DRV)
    True Catholics, it seems that many traditional Catholics have bought into the Modernist propaganda that John XXIII was the first Modernist pope and that Pius XII was the last traditional pope. Historical research over the last fifty years indicates that, if anything, the truth swings the other way. Pius XII, far from being so "traditionalist," actually set in motion the destruction of the Church, perhaps in part unwittingly. In 1948, Pius XII appointed Hannibal Bugnini to lead the new Commission for Liturgical Reform. Bugnini, who became the Chief Architect of the invalid and anti-Catholic New Order "liturgy" wasted no time in changing the Easter rites in 1951 and then gutting in 1955 the most sacred rites in the Roman Missal, those of Holy Week. The Freemason Bugnini was the architect also of the Half New Order "1962 Mess," which no true Catholic should frequent, if only in view of the fact that just seven years later it was "updated" to become the invalid Protestant-Masonic-Pagan New Order (Novus Ordo) Mess of 1969.
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    Re: PPXII and The Demise of The Mass
    « Reply #2 on: June 20, 2017, 08:28:28 PM »
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  • You have been reading to much of Mrs Martinez. Bugnini (& Spellman) both were extremely deceitful with Pius XII. I do not blame him for their treason, heresy or perversion. :sleep:
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    Re: PPXII and The Demise of The Mass
    « Reply #3 on: June 21, 2017, 12:15:52 AM »
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  • Many have said that Pius XII was very ill in the mid to late fifties. In his letter about changing Holy Week, he only mentioned the time of the Easter Vigil, not that the rite itself would be touched. I think it's very likely that Bugnini, Bea and many of the other Modernists took advantage of Pius XII while in his dotage. 

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    Re: PPXII and The Demise of The Mass
    « Reply #4 on: June 22, 2017, 03:30:38 PM »
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  • The buck stops with the pope. Speculation or hearsay about whether he knew or did not know about the Bugnini deception due to illness is just that. Speculation.


    Reliable secular historians have written about Pacelli and the manner in which he served under Pius XI. There seems to be quite a bit of data to suggest that Pacelli was not quite the stalwart of orthodoxy that many trads have come to believe.


    The liturgical deconstruction started under his watch. The appointment of so many defilers of the Catholic faith were made by him. He contributed to the collapsing of the Church. He is to be held accountable like the rest of the usual suspects. 
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    Re: PPXII and The Demise of The Mass
    « Reply #5 on: June 22, 2017, 03:38:08 PM »
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  • Sorry but MO is that Pius XII bears no responsibility for the v2 anti-church.... :cheers:
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    Re: PPXII and The Demise of The Mass
    « Reply #6 on: June 23, 2017, 08:45:54 AM »
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  • So what's wrong with Mrs. Martinez?  Are her facts "not facts" - or her interpretation wrong?  That aside, there is no denying that Pius XII passed the buck on the Consecration of Russia.  

    Our Lady appeared to Sister Lucy at Tuy, Spain, on June 13, 1929, to say that: “The moment has come when God asks the Holy Father to make, in union with all the bishops of the world, the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to save it by this means.”

    He was Sec. of State under Pius XI.  He knew of Fatima and Our Lady's papal request from the outset, from 1929 on.  Neither Pius did anything.  He also allowed Fr. Feeney to be thrown under the bus (though reaching a rather feeble hand out to reassert that the EENS dogma has, by some, been wrongly made into a "meaningless formula").  

    Was World War II his fault?  There would not have been a WWII if Russia had been consecrated.  And that was up to the Pope - eventually, this Pope.  How to explain this ... maybe Mrs. Martinez is right.          

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    Re: PPXII and The Demise of The Mass
    « Reply #7 on: June 23, 2017, 12:24:07 PM »
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  • Mrs Martinez version of 'facts' are a fraud....  :sleep: The errors of Russia are no longer being propagated( at least on paper)

    It should be remembered that mrs martinez is among those who have attacked Card Rampolla-- who btw consecrated as Bishop Merry Del Val....  

    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    Re: PPXII and The Demise of The Mass
    « Reply #8 on: June 23, 2017, 03:52:12 PM »
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  • Mrs Martinez version of 'facts' are a fraud....  The errors of Russia are no longer being propagated( at least on paper)

    It should be remembered that mrs martinez is among those who have attacked Card Rampolla-- who btw consecrated as Bishop Merry Del Val....  

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    Roscoe, are you serious?  Anyone who thinks Russia is still not propagating errors, is still not "secretly" or "privately" still Communist, is naïve.  She won't convert until the Fatima Consecration is made, Our Lady said so - and that Consecration hasn't happened yet. Read "New Lies for Old" by Anatoliy Golitsyn, the ex-KGB officer who predicts what Russia is really up to. 

    Meanwhile, yes - let's do attack Cardinal Rampolla.  After his unexpected death, his Masonic papers were found in his room.  Pius X had them burned, calling him "unhappy man."  There was a reason for his being vetoed during the 1903 papal election (called "the veto of the Holy Ghost").  Few knew of his Masonry, but thank God Emperor Franz Joseph did. Roscoe, are you just not that well informed - or are you ... progressive?     

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    Re: PPXII and The Demise of The Mass
    « Reply #9 on: June 23, 2017, 03:56:49 PM »
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  • A bunch of CRAP--  It is Franz-Joseph that is the freemason.... :heretic:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
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    Re: PPXII and The Demise of The Mass
    « Reply #10 on: June 23, 2017, 04:04:31 PM »
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  • Who Was the Real Modernist: Pius XII or John XXIII?
     The Answer Shocks Traditional Catholics Ignorant of the Facts

    From: The TRADITIO Fathers





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    Re: PPXII and The Demise of The Mass
    « Reply #11 on: June 23, 2017, 04:08:55 PM »
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  • Hannibal Bugnini, Chief Architect of the Invalid "New Mess" of 1969
     Was Actually Appointed Not by Pope John XXIII, but by Pius XII
     To Head a "Reform" of the Mass, that Turned out to Be the Destruction of the Mass
     In 2003 the Contents of a Secret Memorandum of 1949 Were Released
     In Which the Commission Pius XII Appointed to "Reform" the Mass
     Laid out Its Revolutionary Plans
     Pius XII Was Given a Copy of That Memorandum
     And Thereafter Allowed Bugnini to Implement Its Modernist Principles
     That Led to the Destruction of Holy Week, the Half New Order "1962 Mess"
     And Finally the Full-blown, Invalid, Protestant-Masonic-Pagan "New Mess
    We received many expressions of interest from our readers in learning more about how Pope Pius XII may have been associated with the ramp-up to the invalid Novus Ordo of 1969. In certain enclaves of traditional Catholics, Pius XII has acquired a kind of semi-divine status as the "last traditional pope," but they are ignorant of the degree to which Pius XII's commitment to the Catholic and Apostolic Mass has become more and more suspect as the years go by. For example, one significant secret Memorandum came to light only in 2003.
    The facts are clear. In 1947, Pius XII issued Mediator Dei, an encyclical letter on the liturgy, which was originally thought to stand staunchly for the traditional position. Looking back on this encyclical now, we see that it exhibits characteristics of the indirect, "nuanced" wording that became the hallmark of the Vatican II Anti-council of 1962-1965. Pius XII did state some traditional principles and did reject the most extreme deviations from them (which the Modernists were implementing even then), but he did not condemn the "liturgical reform movement" and provided no penalties for violating liturgical law. Mediator Dei is a weak docuмent, and its weakness opened the door for the Modernists to take over and ultimately destroy in the Newchurch of the New Order the Traditional Latin Mass.
    In 1948, the year after Mediator Dei, Pius XII took a radical step. He knew that the Sacred Congregation of Rites, which in 1588, just after the dogmatic Council of Trent, was instituted to protect and preserve the integrity of the Catholic and Apostolic Roman Rite, would never go for a "reform" of the Holy Mass. It was a deeply traditional congregation. So in 1948 Pius XII appointed a new Liturgical Reform Commission to "reform" the Catholic and Apostolic Mass -- which, according to the dogmatic Council of Trent was irreformable. To this Commission, Pius XII appointed only a half dozen "reformers," to be led by the future Chief Architect of the "New Mess," Hannibal Bugnini. The Commission worked in strict secrecy, because if its heretical Modernist principles were exposed to the Roman Curia, they would have been rejected outright.
    It could be argued that Pius XII was simply throwing a bone to the Modernist Revolutionaries to keep them under control, but if that was his intention, he failed, and the Modernist heretics whom Pope St. Pius X fought so hard to defeat, won the day. In 1949, the Commission's plans to de-Romanize and Protestantize the Holy Mass were written down in a secret Memorandum. So secret were the Bugnini Commission's plans to destroy the Mass that the 1949 Memorandum was not published until 54 years later, in 2003.
    On July 22, 1949, a copy of the Modernist and revolutionary Memorandum was presented to Pius XII. And the supposed "last traditional pope" was apparently swayed by the propaganda contained in it, which had been developed in Modernist circles since the 1920s. To be sure, the propaganda was deftly stated so as to clothe its heresies with pretentious verbiage supporting Modernist and Protestant principles of "fake liturgy," which germinated under Pius XII and culminated in the invalid Novus Ordo Mess of 1969.
    As some enclaves of traditional Catholics divinize Pius XII as the "last traditional pope," so they falsely characterize John XXIII as anti-traditional. The facts do not sustain such a judgment. On February 22, 1962, John XXIII personally promulgated, in the rarely-used solemn form before the Cardinals assembled, his Apostolic Constitution Veterum sapientia, in which he wrote some of the most Catholic words on the perpetual necessary of the Latin language for the Mass. John XXIII's Apostolic Constitution was uncompromising traditional, whereas Pius XII's Encyclical Letter Mediator Dei was not.

    It appears that John XXIII was not in favor of Pius XII's liturgical "reforms." In 1960, when John promulgated the rubrics that led to so-called "Mess of 1962," he specifically made it clear that he was not doing so because he favored it, but in personal deference to his beloved predecessor. Pius XII, under whom the "reforms" were engineered. The man who made up the "1962 Mess," Hannibal Bugnini, was hired by Pius XII in 1948, but John XXIII judged that he had heretical tendencies and had him fired in 1962.

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    Re: PPXII and The Demise of The Mass
    « Reply #12 on: June 23, 2017, 04:22:37 PM »
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  •  :sleep:
     :laugh2: 
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    Re: PPXII and The Demise of The Mass
    « Reply #13 on: June 23, 2017, 04:30:59 PM »
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  • The v2 anti-council is the brainchild of the anti-pope John 23--- not Pius XII, who tried to give us Pope Gregory XVII. :cheers:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
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    Re: PPXII and The Demise of The Mass
    « Reply #14 on: June 23, 2017, 09:04:15 PM »
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  • Pius XII also opened the door to NFP.  

    Roscoe, no one takes you seriously now.  If that's what you want, good job.   :applause: