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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: LeDeg on November 20, 2023, 08:14:45 PM
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https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/spot-spotlight-julias-story
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It's behind a paywall.
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It's behind a paywall.
I haven’t watched the video yet, so I have no opinion. I did find the video. Warning it says it contains graphic material.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CpvrXv_37yM&feature=youtu.be
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The allegation that the victim went to Bishop Williamson to complain is odd. How frequently would he have even been in Post Falls at that time? Why would the victim go to a Bishop instead of the police? I think the victim harms her own credibility by violating the settlement agreement.
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After this homo got caught telling so many lies (https://tinyurl.com/d8efexus) about the ex-SSPX ex-priest in Guadalajara, it's a wonder anyone would believe something like this.
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After this homo got caught telling so many lies (https://tinyurl.com/d8efexus) about the ex-SSPX ex-priest in Guadalajara, it's a wonder anyone would believe something like this.
Yeah, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Church Militant has some agenda against Traditional Catholics and don't even try to hide their animosity, and so I would say somewhere on the order of 75% of their allegations are either untrue or exaggerated, even when some of the core facts happen to be true, where they spin things in the worse possible light. Nevertheless, there are some very real situations, particularly with Fathers Abbet and Groche that require that +Fellay resign in disgrace and likely be prosecuted as an accessory to the sɛҳuąƖ assault of children.
So, the problem is that when they lie (like in your link above), they discredit even the real stuff. Also, in the case of the one poor girl who was assaulted by Fr. Stafki, they published the details of the assault against her in almost pornographic detail. They really care that much about the poor victim. Not only that, but they effectively revealed her identity. So imagine being this girl and walking into a church on Sunday, knowing that a lot of the congregation know all the sordid details of what happened to her. Even though she didn't do anything that she should be ashamed of, it's only natural that she'd be humiliated. What purposes did all the graphic detail and the revelation of her identity serve in the interests of protecting children? It would have sufficed so say on a high level that she had been assaulted by him. No, they know that the sordid detail increases the shock value to the readers and will amplify their outrage against the SSPX.
I pointed out that one of the charges against Father Stafki was the use of electronic media to publish his deviant behavior with a minor, and that Church Militant was doing the same thing ... effectively publishing child pornography. They pulled my comment.
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The allegation that the victim went to Bishop Williamson to complain is odd. How frequently would he have even been in Post Falls at that time? Why would the victim go to a Bishop instead of the police? I think the victim harms her own credibility by violating the settlement agreement.
Good point. He only rarely traveled for Confirmations circuits at that time. He wasn't stationed in Post Falls or any other SSPX chapel. He was the Rector of St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary in Winona, MN and Post Falls isn't exactly close by. How far away is Idaho from Minnesota?
Any time he was in Post Falls he would have flown in, probably spent the night, had Confirmations, attended whatever post-Confirmations party there was, and then he would have withdrawn to his room, etc. to prepare to leave for the next place. He wasn't exactly sitting around in an office for hours, available to take private audiences.
You know what I think? That once again Church Militant is lying, they love to attack the Traditional Movement in general and the SSPX in particular, and who better to attack than Bishop Williamson? They want to drag his name into it for some reason, even though he was hundreds of miles away training seminarians at the time.
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The allegation that the victim went to Bishop Williamson to complain is odd. How frequently would he have even been in Post Falls at that time? Why would the victim go to a Bishop instead of the police? I think the victim harms her own credibility by violating the settlement agreement.
As a woman, you should be more upset that these nuns preyed on underage children and the Sspx protected these perverted women. These evil nuns performed unholy acts on children. That victim is very credible. The settlement is proof that it happened. What’s wrong with you? How can church Militant be lying when the facts are there. Also, it was all over the news about the pervert truck driver but he was protected after getting booted out of the seminary.
They did not care one bit for the children’s safety.
As a woman, you should be upset that The Sspx did nothing to help her just like so many other victims. The victims should not have to go to the police. It should not happen at all. It is why there is a crisis in the church. Silence and indifference is mortal sin.
For the rest of you, it’s mortal sin for you to put down the victim and try to defend unholy un natural sex acts. This is why Rome is perverted and is in a state of apostasy.
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I finally listened to this, and I find her allegations to be credible, given that the perp was later dismissed from the Dominicans for similar perversion in France.
As the victim herself states, things like this happen and will likely always happen. But the most egregious part is that the perp was sent to teach at an SSPX school where she had access to other children.
Shameful for SSPX here.
Bishop Williamson's advice to her, if accurately related, was in fact terrible.
Were it not for the fact that the Dominicans later caught the perp with in unnatural activities with a novice in France, and expelled her for it, one might question whether the victim herself might have exaggerated the events due to mental illness on her own part. Her mother was a schizophrenic, and schizophrenia does tend to run in families (there seems to be a genetic component). But her later activities in France make her story extremely credible. And if the perp was then, after her dismissal from the Dominicans, sent to teach at an SSPX school, then there's no excuse for that.
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For the rest of you, it’s mortal sin for you to put down the victim and try to defend unholy un natural sex acts. This is why Rome is perverted and is in a state of apostasy.
Being skeptical of someone (or some organization) who has PROVEN IN THE PAST they have an axe to grind is NOT a mortal sin. That is actually the height of prudence.
I, for one, didn't say the first thing against this "victim". I haven't watched the video and so my criticism is limited to Church Militant in general, which has a reputation. Sorry, but it's true. Not only do they hate the SSPX (so the Church Militant opinion on the SSPX is automatically invalid -- just like the Pharisees circa 30 AD opinion of Jesus) but they are against the Traditional Movement. That is even worse.
Sure, a broken clock can be right twice a day.
I don't think there's anyone on CathInfo, known or unknown, who would defend --xual abuse or child abuse. So stop threatening and waving around "mortal sin". I'm sure we all know what is sinful. Those who are able to commit such a malicious, willful, serious sin as you allege certainly wouldn't care what some CathInfo member had to say about it. So either way, might as well not bring it up.
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You know what I think? That once again Church Militant is lying, they love to attack the Traditional Movement in general and the SSPX in particular, and who better to attack than Bishop Williamson? They want to drag his name into it for some reason, even though he was hundreds of miles away training seminarians at the time.
This.
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I finally listened to this, and I find her allegations to be credible, given that the perp was later dismissed from the Dominicans for similar perversion in France.
As the victim herself states, things like this happen and will likely always happen. But the most egregious part is that the perp was sent to teach at an SSPX school where she had access to other children.
Shameful for SSPX here.
Bishop Williamson's advice to her, if accurately related, was in fact terrible.
Were it not for the fact that the Dominicans later caught the perp with in unnatural activities with a novice in France, and expelled her for it, one might question whether the victim herself might have exaggerated the events due to mental illness on her own part. Her mother was a schizophrenic, and schizophrenia does tend to run in families (there seems to be a genetic component). But her later activities in France make her story extremely credible. And if the perp was then, after her dismissal from the Dominicans, sent to teach at an SSPX school, then there's no excuse for that.
What is/was the advice +Williamson allegedly gave her?
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While I agree that Bishop Williamson was probably just passing through, he still should have investigated the matter. Putting the onus on the victim wasn’t the best advice imo.
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What is/was the advice +Williamson allegedly gave her?
So, according to her account, she told +Williamson what was going on, and his advice to her was for her to go confront the women who was assaulting her and tell her that she'd be reporting it to her superior. That's a very difficult spot to put the young lady in. Just imagine if you were being assaulted by a priest and then having to go in there to the perp and tell him you'd be reporting him to, say, the District Superior. This young lady might rightly fear for her safety, in addition to being put into what might be a very traumatic situation.
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For the rest of you, it’s mortal sin for you to put down the victim and try to defend unholy un natural sex acts. This is why Rome is perverted and is in a state of apostasy.
No one is putting down any victim or defending these acts. You're assuming the truth of the allegations first, and there's nothing wrong with questioning the credibility of any allegations. It's not uncommon for such allegations to be fabricated, either due to an active imagination or out of malice toward the accused, so charity toward the accused requires a prudent consideration regarding the credibility of the allegations, and, to the contrary of what you claim, it may in fact be grave matter to publicize the allegations if in fact the accused is innocent.
One's repugnance for the alleged acts are not to be confused with the question of whether the accused is actually guilty of having perpetrated them. Many people have been wrongly convicted by juries due to the emotional consideration of some heinous crime, when the jury is unable to separate their emotion from the question of whether the accused actually perpetrated the crime, and where they FEEL (the key term here) as acquittal of the accused would be tantamount to condoning the crime.
This kind of emotional response is often exploited by false accusers, claiming that anyone who doesn't believe their allegations is a "victim shamer" and is "condoning the [alleged] crimes". That's utter nonsense.
With all that said, I find these allegations to be extremely credible because 1) the accused perp was later expelled from the Sisters for having performed similar activities with a novice in France (though that claim by CM should be verified) and 2) the SSPX paid her a sizable settlement (aka "hush money"). But, if some individuals were to question the veracity of these claims, they are not thereby guilty of "moral sin" for "put[ting] down the [alleged] victim" and "defend[ing] unholy un natural [sic] sex acts".
I do find it interesting, though, that the alleged perpetrator went on to get married and to have 6 children ... though I believe this type of transition is more common of females who act contrary to nature than males. I knew guy who got married to a member of my extended family ... who turned out to be a sodomite.
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As a woman, you should be more upset that these nuns preyed on underage children and the Sspx protected these perverted women. These evil nuns performed unholy acts on children. That victim is very credible. The settlement is proof that it happened. What’s wrong with you? How can church Militant be lying when the facts are there. Also, it was all over the news about the pervert truck driver but he was protected after getting booted out of the seminary.
They did not care one bit for the children’s safety.
As a woman, you should be upset that The Sspx did nothing to help her just like so many other victims. The victims should not have to go to the police. It should not happen at all. It is why there is a crisis in the church. Silence and indifference is mortal sin.
For the rest of you, it’s mortal sin for you to put down the victim and try to defend unholy un natural sex acts. This is why Rome is perverted and is in a state of apostasy.
What does being a woman have to do with it? The accused is a woman also.
Truth is neither male nor female. I won't join your catholic #metoo movement.
I don't believe there's any statute of limitations so this victim needs to go to law enforcement and bring this in to the courts.
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To take with a grain of salt: I thought that I read, on this forum, years ago, that Father Patrick Crane, who was at Our Lady of Sorrows, Phoenix was involved as principal(?) at Post Falls. Then came to Phoenix, when a lady approached Bishop Olmsted, of the new Order dioceses over this matter of Post Falls. If my mind serves me, I thought at that time to myself, Hm, she of SSPX is approaching for help over this issue ?
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Ah, excuse me. This is another episode with Post Falls. they should close it down, I would think.
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What does being a woman have to do with it? The accused is a woman also.
Truth is neither male nor female. I won't join your catholic #metoo movement.
I don't believe there's any statute of limitations so this victim needs to go to law enforcement and bring this in to the courts.
It should been handled by the hierarchy.
I don’t have a Catholic “me too” movement. Nothing to join.
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I, too, found her story to be credible. She has the check that shows they paid her off to stay silent, as well as all sorts of gifts from the nun. It's amazing that SSPX still hired her as a teacher after knowing of the abuse allegations. It is precisely what the Novus Ordo does.
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This is the first time I have heard about the SSPX benefactor James Zimmerman, who apparently plopped down 700K towards the SSPX while abusing four young girls. The video says the SSPX supported him even after knowing of the allegations. Is this story true?
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This is the first time I have heard about the SSPX benefactor James Zimmerman, who apparently plopped down 700K towards the SSPX while abusing four young girls. The video says the SSPX supported him even after knowing of the allegations. Is this story true?
Absolutely true.
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Good point. He only rarely traveled for Confirmations circuits at that time. He wasn't stationed in Post Falls or any other SSPX chapel. He was the Rector of St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary in Winona, MN and Post Falls isn't exactly close by. How far away is Idaho from Minnesota?
Any time he was in Post Falls he would have flown in, probably spent the night, had Confirmations, attended whatever post-Confirmations party there was, and then he would have withdrawn to his room, etc. to prepare to leave for the next place. He wasn't exactly sitting around in an office for hours, available to take private audiences.
You know what I think? That once again Church Militant is lying, they love to attack the Traditional Movement in general and the SSPX in particular, and who better to attack than Bishop Williamson? They want to drag his name into it for some reason, even though he was hundreds of miles away training seminarians at the time.
Between Immaculate Conception Church, Saint Dominic School, and the Carmel, +W used to come to Post Falls maybe once a year back in the 90's. He came to consecrate the new chapel at St. Dominic School, and another time, he came for their graduation ceremonies. Another time, he was at ICC for Palm Sunday. I actually don't remember him doing confirmations, but I do remember the other 3 bishops doing them there.
When I first saw who was making the accusations, I thought "here we go", because I knew how far Julia Rose had stayed from the path. But I too found the story credible after watching the video. I knew her and her dad well and was familiar with the sisters in the story. So these revelations were painful, lemme tell ya.