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The debate, Stevus, is:

How can regularization without compromise -- without danger -- occur when the crisis is FAR FROM OVER?

How can the SSPX accept the rightful Roman authority when it is still a hive of modernism? Doesn't some kind of conversion have to take place first?

Rome is the one that left. They need to convert. The SSPX represents a specific portion of the Church that stayed traditional -- and since our religion is inherently traditional, you could also say "stayed Catholic". There is no onus on the SSPX to prove anything. They need not apologize.

I don't see how something Catholic can be re-absorbed into something non-Catholic and still remain Catholic. Does not compute.

I'm no theologian, but I play one on the Internet (just kidding). Seriously, I'm no theologian, but I am a down to earth guy with common sense (thanks be to God).

Matthew

If you concede that the SSPX is already within the Catholic Church, then this concern is really moot, for if they are in the Church and continue their work, juridical recognition will not affect the Society one iota.  You're not thinking in concrete terms.  When a regularization comes about, the little chapel that you attend will still be the little chapel you attend; same Mass, same sacraments, same doctrine, same tradition.  You also don't seem to realize the need for juridical legitimacy viz. the crisis of the Church.  You have it precisely backwards: that the crisis must end and then the Society will and should be recognized.  On the contrary, it is precisely this regularization that will bring about the restoration from within the Church because there are many Catholics who mistakenly think the Society is "outside the Church."  The crisis will never be resolved until the Society is recognized.  It will be from within the Church that the restoration shall come about.  On the other hand, if you hold the untenable position that the entire conciliar church is a "sect" then you must deal with impossible theological enormities.  Those who live in a self-constructed fantasy world, who rely on mere gossip and rumors (such as PereJoseph) do not fully comprehend the implications of their own opinions.

The restoration will come about when the Papacy is occupied by a traditional Pope and the Bishops follow suit.  When the anathemas come thundering again from Rome, you will see the Church dwindle dramatically in size as the schismatic, errant and heretical Bishops and Priests will have to finally come to terms with the authority of the Roman Catholic Church.

     

If you concede that the SSPX is already within the Catholic Church, then this concern is really moot, for if they are in the Church and continue their work, juridical recognition will not affect the Society one iota.  You're not thinking in concrete terms.  When a regularization comes about, the little chapel that you attend will still be the little chapel you attend; same Mass, same sacraments, same doctrine, same tradition.  You also don't seem to realize the need for juridical legitimacy viz. the crisis of the Church.  You have it precisely backwards: that the crisis must end and then the Society will and should be recognized.

I disagree. First of all I don't think that's what Matthew was saying, and secondly the Society is already recognized. Not by the Vatican II church, but by the true Catholic Church. They never lost Communion with it, but actually could as a result of selling out! Are you saying this whole thing is a good thing because it makes people "recognize" the Society more?

The restoration will come about when the Papacy is occupied by a traditional Pope and the Bishops follow suit.  When the anathemas come thundering again from Rome, you will see the Church dwindle dramatically in size as the schismatic, errant and heretical Bishops and Priests will have to finally come to terms with the authority of the Roman Catholic Church.

Actually that is not correct. The Church will never be fully restored until the chastizement.