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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Popes involved in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2023, 09:08:18 AM »
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  • I found the Papal Allocution I was looking for:

    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

    Offline magdalena

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    Re: Popes involved in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?
    « Reply #16 on: July 29, 2023, 09:47:45 AM »
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  • The YouTube was quite interesting and well researched

    https://novusordowatch.org/2020/11/were-popes-benedict14-pius9-freemasons/
    I have yet to read the Novus Ordo Watch article, so I apologize for any errors that may be contained in the YouTube.  Like Incred, a friend asked me about the subject and I tried to do some research.  
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Popes involved in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?
    « Reply #17 on: July 29, 2023, 09:51:03 AM »
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  • I wasted 20 minutes on this garbage video. This NO idiot has no business writing books or producing videos. His allegations that Venerable Pius IX was “certainly” a Freemason and Pope Leo the XIII was “most likely” a Freemason are almost totally supported by unreliable Freemasonic sources and the hoaxer and liar, Leo Taxil. BTW: President Washington was a Freemason by name only. He was given “honors” by the Freemasons because of his prominence. The evidence for this is in the letter attached below.

    SOME EXPERT ON Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ…… ::)
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

    Offline magdalena

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    Re: Popes involved in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?
    « Reply #18 on: July 29, 2023, 10:04:34 AM »
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  • Thank you, Quo.  Once again, I apologize.  I shall ask Matthew to delete it.
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Popes involved in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?
    « Reply #19 on: July 29, 2023, 11:51:37 AM »
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  • I wasted 20 minutes on this garbage video.

    I thought it was a reasonable and balanced presentation, ending with the key point that both the popes who were alleged to have had ties to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ in their youth were enlightened about it and turned on the Masons.  He didn't overstate the case and left room for doubt.  There's no question but that Pius IX had been one of the most liberal bishops before his election and was in fact championed by the Masonic allies among the Cardinals ... but then turned on them.  That incident with donating the stone for Washington's monument ... only to have had it stolen by an anti-Masonic group ... was also interesting.


    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Popes involved in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?
    « Reply #20 on: July 29, 2023, 12:22:00 PM »
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  • I thought it was a reasonable and balanced presentation, ending with the key point that both the popes who were alleged to have had ties to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ in their youth were enlightened about it and turned on the Masons.  He didn't overstate the case and left room for doubt.  There's no question but that Pius IX had been one of the most liberal bishops before his election and was in fact championed by the Masonic allies among the Cardinals ... but then turned on them.  That incident with donating the stone for Washington's monument ... only to have had it stolen by an anti-Masonic group ... was also interesting.


    No, he said that Pope Pius IX was “certainly” a Freemason and that Pope Leo XIII was “most likely” one. That IS NOT reasonable nor balanced. Total trash that will be weighed against him at his particular judgment.

    The Washington monument nonsense is old news and is highly circuмstantial at best.

    BTW: Did you see the evidence I posted, that you asked for, regarding Pope Pius IX being highly offended by the allegations?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Popes involved in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?
    « Reply #21 on: July 29, 2023, 12:41:19 PM »
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  • Article from 1871 refuting that Venerable Pius IX was a Freemason. I love this part: “The precious extract given above is a specimen of the gullibility of Protestants in general and Freemasons in particular.”  :laugh1:

    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Popes involved in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?
    « Reply #22 on: July 29, 2023, 12:48:28 PM »
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  • SOME EXPERT ON Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ…… ::)

    What is that letter supposed to prove?  It's well known that Washington was a Mason, was repeatedly painted wearing a Masonic apron in approved official portraits, and was even gifted a Masonic apron by some nuns in Nantes, France.  It's well known that most of the U.S. "Founding Fathers" were Masons and the architecture of all D.C. was guided by and performed by Masons.


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    Re: Popes involved in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?
    « Reply #23 on: July 29, 2023, 12:49:44 PM »
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  • BTW: Did you see the evidence I posted, that you asked for, regarding Pope Pius IX being highly offended by the allegations?

    Nowhere did he deny ever having joined the Masons.  It's unclear exactly what he's denying, and the closest thing in there that he comes to denying is that the Holy See was an ally of the Masons ... which he clearly wasn't by that time.

    Here's another topic ... similar to FE ... where it's clear that you have some psychological / emotional attachment to the outcome and won't look at it openly.  I think it's possible that he joined the Masons and possible that Leo XIII did as well.  Lots of people joined the Masons as it was, as the gentleman who made the video above indicated, the "thing to do" for people in certain social circles.  What someone did or did not do as a youthful indiscretion has nothing to do with their later life.

    Even if you take actual membership in the Masons off the table, there's no doubt that Pius IX was one of THE most liberal Bishops / Cardinals in the Church prior to his election and that he was a favorite of the Masonic-affiliated electors and the liberals among the Cardinals, and that he was converted by the graces of his office, in a clear demonstration of the guidance of the Holy Spirit over the Papacy ... vs. the R&R thesis that individuals who are liberal and have "messed up brains" would be allowed by the Holy Spirit to wreck the Church.

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    Re: Popes involved in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?
    « Reply #24 on: July 29, 2023, 01:23:51 PM »
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  • What is that letter supposed to prove?  It's well known that Washington was a Mason, was repeatedly painted wearing a Masonic apron in approved official portraits, and was even gifted a Masonic apron by some nuns in Nantes, France.  It's well known that most of the U.S. "Founding Fathers" were Masons and the architecture of all D.C. was guided by and performed by Masons.

    Apparently you didn’t read the letter.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Popes involved in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?
    « Reply #25 on: July 29, 2023, 01:49:19 PM »
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  • Nowhere did he deny ever having joined the Masons.  It's unclear exactly what he's denying, and the closest thing in there that he comes to denying is that the Holy See was an ally of the Masons ... which he clearly wasn't by that time.

    Here's another topic ... similar to FE ... where it's clear that you have some psychological / emotional attachment to the outcome and won't look at it openly.  I think it's possible that he joined the Masons and possible that Leo XIII did as well.  Lots of people joined the Masons as it was, as the gentleman who made the video above indicated, the "thing to do" for people in certain social circles.  What someone did or did not do as a youthful indiscretion has nothing to do with their later life.

    Even if you take actual membership in the Masons off the table, there's no doubt that Pius IX was one of THE most liberal Bishops / Cardinals in the Church prior to his election and that he was a favorite of the Masonic-affiliated electors and the liberals among the Cardinals, and that he was converted by the graces of his office, in a clear demonstration of the guidance of the Holy Spirit over the Papacy ... vs. the R&R thesis that individuals who are liberal and have "messed up brains" would be allowed by the Holy Spirit to wreck the Church.

    The author of this reference got the connection that you conveniently overlooked:

    In a solemn allocution, on April 20, 1849, Pius IX feelingly referred to the rumor connecting him with Masonry, and denounced it as “the blackest of all calumnies” ever uttered against his sacred but much-maligned person. (Cf. Pachtler, Der Götze der Humanität. Freiburg 1875, pp. 721-722)


    You have no proof other than masonic sources (known liars) and farfetched circuмstantial evidence. Why would any Catholic even want to believe such a thing about that Venerable Pope? 

    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Popes involved in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?
    « Reply #26 on: July 29, 2023, 01:58:59 PM »
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  • Lad :facepalm: Why? What part of ''blackest of all calumnies'' isn't clear?

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    Re: Popes involved in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?
    « Reply #27 on: July 29, 2023, 02:21:53 PM »
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  • Thank you, Quo.  Once again, I apologize.  I shall ask Matthew to delete it.


    No problem Magdalena, you are most welcome! 😀
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    « Reply #28 on: July 29, 2023, 02:24:08 PM »
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  • Article from 1871 refuting that Venerable Pius IX was a Freemason. I love this part: “The precious extract given above is a specimen of the gullibility of Protestants in general and Freemasons in particular.”  :laugh1:


    He talks about the gullibility of Protestants, apparently he’s never met a traditional Catholic. :laugh2:
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Popes involved in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?
    « Reply #29 on: July 29, 2023, 03:53:51 PM »
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  • But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42