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Online Miseremini

Re: Popes against praying for decreased non-catholics
« Reply #15 on: Today at 08:49:26 PM »
Quote from: Incredulous on Today at 08:45:05 PM
Can't remember the source, but read a Saintly quote that prayers for a soul in Hell only intensifies their suffering.
I remember reading that too.  Also didn't it say something about prayers for someone already in heaven intensifies their glory?
Now I've got to find the quote.
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Offline Lazarus

Re: Popes against praying for decreased non-catholics
« Reply #16 on: Today at 08:51:05 PM »
Quote from: Maria Dolorosa on Today at 07:44:39 PM
As Catholics, we are only duty bound to pray for souls in particular, according to how the person died externally as AP said. The Church only gives a funeral with a requiem Mass for one who died a Catholic death, not for everyone who *may* have converted, and this is a big *may*. There is a reason for this.

The point is, is that praying for every soul who *may* have converted in the end, fosters religious indifferentism, because we begin to think that people can live how they please, and expect a special grace of conversion at the last moment. We begin to forget that a death bed conversion is an extremely rare grace, not a common one.

There is a famous, traditional Catholic phrase in Latin: LEX ORANDI, LEX CREDENDI. "The law of prayer is the law of belief."

The Popes have spoken.
I have one, and only one question, to ask you. Do you think a Catholic would go to hell because they did a conditional prayer "If X is in Purgatory, please deliver them"?
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Offline Incredulous

Re: Popes against praying for decreased non-catholics
« Reply #17 on: Today at 09:10:34 PM »
Quote from: Miseremini on Today at 08:49:26 PM
I remember reading that too.  Also didn't it say something about prayers for someone already in heaven intensifies their glory?
Now I've got to find the quote.

Yes, that too!
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Offline Maria Dolorosa

Re: Popes against praying for decreased non-catholics
« Reply #18 on: Today at 09:42:19 PM »
For those searching, this may be the quote you were referring to. This is related by St. Alphonsus Liguori here on p. 573: https://archive.org/details/alphonsusworks15liguuoft/page/572/mode/2up

Father Seraphine Razzi relates that in a city in Italy there was a married lady of noble rank who was reputed a saint. On her deathbed she received all the sacraments, and died with a high reputation for sanctity. After death her daughter, who always recommended to God the soul of her mother, heard one day, while she was at prayer, a great noise at the door. She turned round, and saw a horrible figure all on fire, and exhaling a great stench. At this sight she was so much terrified, that she was on the point of throwing herself out of the window; but she heard a voice saying: "Stop, stop, my daughter: I am your unhappy mother, who was considered a saint; but for some sins committed with your father, which I was ashamed ever to confess, God has condemned me to hell. Do not pray to God for me any more; for you only increase my pains." She then began to howl, and disappeared.
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Offline Maria Dolorosa

Re: Popes against praying for decreased non-catholics
« Reply #19 on: Today at 09:44:09 PM »
Quote from: Lazarus on Today at 08:51:05 PM
I have one, and only one question, to ask you. Do you think a Catholic would go to hell because they did a conditional prayer "If X is in Purgatory, please deliver them"?
Let me ask you this: does the Church approve of what you propose to do?

The fact that people feel at liberty to do what they wish despite what the Church has said for us to do, is certainly sinful, and any sin (even one that is deliberately venial) can only be a step towards hell.
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