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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: ServusSpiritusSancti on August 17, 2010, 02:00:02 PM

Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: ServusSpiritusSancti on August 17, 2010, 02:00:02 PM
I'm getting tired of some people here saying Pius X was an anti-pope. Pius X was one of the greatest Popes we have ever had. He codemned modernism, he saw the modernist changes to the Church coming.

From Wikipedia on the encyclical Pascendi Dominici Gregis...

"The Pope (Pius X) condemned Modernism, and a whole range of other evolutionary principles concerning Roman Catholic Dogma. Pius X instituted commisions to cleanse the clergy of theologians promoting Modernism and some of its (liturgical) consequences."

"Traditionalist Catholics point to this docuŠ¼ent as evidence that pre-Vatican II Popes were highly concerned about enemies of Christianity infiltrating the human element of the Catholic Church".

Pascendi was arguably the best encyclical written by Pius X. So why I am making this thread? To try and put an end to this junk that Pius X was an anti-pope. Furthermore, I challenge CM to reply to this thread and explain his exact stance on why he believes Pius X was an anti-pope, even though he wrote one of the greatest encyclicals of all time.

By the way, speaking of CM, beware that on his web-site he constantly calls addresses Pius X as "Anti-Pope Pius X" and posts false information to try and "prove" that he was indeed an anti-pope.
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: Caminus on August 17, 2010, 03:56:05 PM
Why do you take seriously a lone and insane man who purports to be Catholic?  This is the internet where every and any kind of vicious man can air his opinions.  It is thus a virtual cesspool, being scandalized by fools reduces us to their level.  
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: Trinity on August 17, 2010, 04:06:15 PM
SS is doing a good work here.  Lies left unchallenged remain in effect.  As Emerentiana has pointed out, people lose their faith over things like this.  It is Catholic to try to protect them.  Since I couldn't pin the slippery dude down, I just posted my opinion of him and hoped it would work to make people cautious of him.  We all do what we can for each other.  All sorts of luck, SS.
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: gladius_veritatis on August 17, 2010, 04:11:20 PM
Matthew is right and CM's wild opinions on such matters are not worth any attention.  St. Pius X was THE general in the fight against Modernism. None of us would even have a clue what it is, or be able to defend ourselves against the synthesis of all heresies, if the humble, powerful, and holy Giuseppe Sarto had not left us such a wonderful legacy.  Oddly, even men like CM could not know what Modernism is, nor could the fight against it, if St. Pius X had not given us such providential weapons.
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: gladius_veritatis on August 17, 2010, 04:21:03 PM
"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: clare on August 17, 2010, 04:24:15 PM
Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
I'm getting tired of some people here saying Pius X was an anti-pope.


What? Are people saying that now?? I suppose it had to happen sooner or later.
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: roscoe on August 17, 2010, 05:25:58 PM
There is also a significant faction here on this site that claims Popes Leo XIII, Pius X and additionally Cardinal Merry Del Val are fools and idiots-- not to mention Bad Popes-- because they have fallen for the deception  of the Cardinal Rampolla scam.  
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: ServusSpiritusSancti on August 17, 2010, 05:27:51 PM
Quote from: Caminus
Why do you take seriously a lone and insane man who purports to be Catholic?  This is the internet where every and any kind of vicious man can air his opinions.  It is thus a virtual cesspool, being scandalized by fools reduces us to their level.  


It's not just him, several others as well, although they all seem to be associated with CM and in fact may even be CM himself. I'm just sticking up for Pius X. As much as he has been blasted on an SSPX forum there hasn't been too much defense for him. While it's probably just because people are trying to ignore CM's posts (which in many cases is the best thing to do) I just want to defend this great Pope. Besides, as long as CM is allowed to post here we need to defend our Traditional Catholic faith. One thing I learned growing up, when you or your faith is being attacked, you don't just sit there and take it, you fight back. Not that you can fight back every single time, but this is a good opportunity.
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: ServusSpiritusSancti on August 17, 2010, 05:28:35 PM
Quote from: Trinity
SS is doing a good work here.  Lies left unchallenged remain in effect.  As Emerentiana has pointed out, people lose their faith over things like this.  It is Catholic to try to protect them.  Since I couldn't pin the slippery dude down, I just posted my opinion of him and hoped it would work to make people cautious of him.  We all do what we can for each other.  All sorts of luck, SS.


Thank you, Trinity.
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: ServusSpiritusSancti on August 17, 2010, 05:29:21 PM
Quote from: clare
Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
I'm getting tired of some people here saying Pius X was an anti-pope.


What? Are people saying that now?? I suppose it had to happen sooner or later.


People have been saying it for a while now.
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: Emerentiana on August 17, 2010, 05:34:29 PM
Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
Quote from: Caminus
Why do you take seriously a lone and insane man who purports to be Catholic?  This is the internet where every and any kind of vicious man can air his opinions.  It is thus a virtual cesspool, being scandalized by fools reduces us to their level.  


It's not just him, several others as well, although they all seem to be associated with CM and in fact may even be CM himself. I'm just sticking up for Pius X. As much as he has been blasted on an SSPX forum there hasn't been too much defense for him. While it's probably just because people are trying to ignore CM's posts (which in many cases is the best thing to do) I just want to defend this great Pope. Besides, as long as CM is allowed to post here we need to defend our Traditional Catholic faith. One thing I learned growing up, when you or your faith is being attacked, you don't just sit there and take it, you fight back. Not that you can fight back every single time, but this is a good opportunity.



 :applause:
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: Roman Catholic on August 17, 2010, 08:41:25 PM
Saint Pius X, who didst withstand and reprove all heresies, pray for us.
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: CM on August 18, 2010, 04:12:33 PM
Quote from: gladius_veritatis
Oddly, even men like CM could not know what Modernism is, nor could the fight against it, if St. Pius X had not given us such providential weapons.


I disagree.  Here's a weapon for you, by which you may know and denounce all heresies:

Quote
Therefore, faithfully adhering to the tradition received from the beginning of the Christian faith, to the glory of God our savior, for the exaltation of the Catholic religion and for the salvation of the Christian people, with the approval of the Sacred Council, we teach and define as a divinely revealed dogma that when the Roman Pontiff speaks EX CATHEDRA, that is, when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church, he possesses, by the divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, that infallibility which the divine Redeemer willed his Church to enjoy in defining doctrine concerning faith or morals. Therefore, such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are of themselves, and not by the consent of the Church, irreformable.
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: CM on August 18, 2010, 04:13:45 PM
Quote from: Trinity
Lies left unchallenged remain in effect.


I have not lied.  I have posted what the man really said.  You simply disagree with the conclusion I have come to as a result.  But you are wrong to say I have lied.
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: Caminus on August 18, 2010, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: CM
Quote from: gladius_veritatis
Oddly, even men like CM could not know what Modernism is, nor could the fight against it, if St. Pius X had not given us such providential weapons.


I disagree.  Here's a weapon for you, by which you may know and denounce all heresies:

Quote
Therefore, faithfully adhering to the tradition received from the beginning of the Christian faith, to the glory of God our savior, for the exaltation of the Catholic religion and for the salvation of the Christian people, with the approval of the Sacred Council, we teach and define as a divinely revealed dogma that when the Roman Pontiff speaks EX CATHEDRA, that is, when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church, he possesses, by the divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, that infallibility which the divine Redeemer willed his Church to enjoy in defining doctrine concerning faith or morals. Therefore, such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are of themselves, and not by the consent of the Church, irreformable.



You're still stupid as ever I see.
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: ServusSpiritusSancti on August 18, 2010, 05:53:11 PM
Quote from: CM
Quote from: Trinity
Lies left unchallenged remain in effect.


I have not lied.  I have posted what the man really said.  You simply disagree with the conclusion I have come to as a result.  But you are wrong to say I have lied.


It may not be lies, but it's nonsense and insanity. You constantly posts quotes from Pius X in an attempt to "prove" he was an anti-pope, when in doing so you only make yourself appear to be on a lower level of religious knowledge then most other people here. While you're probably a nice guy in real life and all, you take sedevacanism to the extreme, thus why I call people like you extremists. I looked at your blog yesterday just to see what you wrote about and you wrote a full article condemning Pius X and calling him an anti-pope throughout the entire article. What's perhaps more amazing is that you call yourself sedevacanist yet you called the Dimond Brothers "lying heretics" on your blog. That's so interesting, because 9 out of 10 sedes love the Dimond Brothers.

Have you ever once stopped to think that just maybe you're taking sedevacanism to an extreme level that is unnecessary? I mean really. "Pius X was no good, the Dimond Brothers are no good, the SSPX is no good" etc. What else is there then if nothing else is good?

(By the way, this wasn't a post to defend the Dimond Brothers, as I am not sedevacanist, I'm just making a point.)
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: roscoe on August 19, 2010, 01:55:41 AM
I agree w/ Card Newman.  :smoke-pot: :wine-drinking: although I imagine that to delve into history one would cease to be a Moor, Judaic or any other Vacante as well.
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: Roman Catholic on August 19, 2010, 06:44:23 AM
Quote from: crashnet
I see so much of myself in CM.  My guess is he is very young.  Probably still in his 20's, unmarried, and spends hours on the internet reading about theology.  

His reading has brought him to the point that he now thinks the last valid pope died 132 years ago.  I will predict that he will end up like me and abandon the faith altogether.  

John Henry Newman said that to be deep into history was to cease to be protestant.  I found out that to be deep into history, was to stop being a believer.


crashnet,

Have you come back to the Faith?
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: Roman Catholic on August 19, 2010, 07:27:44 AM
Quote from: Cheryl




 That's so interesting, because 9 out of 10 sedes love the Dimond Brothers.

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I think you're exaggerating or your numbers are skewed.  Off of the top of my head, counting myself as well, I can think of six Sedes on this forum who do not "love" the Dimonds, myself, Gladius, Trinity, Myna, Dawn, and Emerentiana.  These are the first six that came to mind, so my figures show that six out of six Sedes dislike the Dimonds.

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 :wave: If you are correct about the others here; make that 7 out of 7 so far here.

Many sedes do not agree with the Dimonds.

PS: I love the Dimonds in the sense that I have Catholic charity, hoping for their salvation.

But I do not agree with many of their assertions. I do not love in toto what they write, or they do, or they stand for.

There is something seriously wrong with them.

Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: Cheryl on August 19, 2010, 08:07:58 AM
Quote from: Roman Catholic
Quote from: Cheryl




 That's so interesting, because 9 out of 10 sedes love the Dimond Brothers.



I think you're exaggerating or your numbers are skewed.  Off of the top of my head, counting myself as well, I can think of six Sedes on this forum who do not "love" the Dimonds, myself, Gladius, Trinity, Myna, Dawn, and Emerentiana.  These are the first six that came to mind, so my figures show that six out of six Sedes dislike the Dimonds.

[/quote]

 :wave: If you are correct about the others here; make that 7 out of 7 so far here.

Many sedes do not agree with the Dimonds.

PS: I love the Dimonds in the sense that I have Catholic charity, hoping for their salvation.

But I do not agree with many of their assertions. I do not love in toto what they write, or they do, or they stand for.

There is something seriously wrong with them.

[/quote]

Oops, so sorry RC.  Sorry for the oversight.  I stand corrected, seven out of seven Sedes don't "love" the Dimonds.
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: MyrnaM on August 19, 2010, 08:09:41 AM
Quote from: Cheryl

 That's so interesting, because 9 out of 10 sedes love the Dimond Brothers.
[/quote]

I think you're exaggerating or your numbers are skewed.  Off of the top of my head, counting myself as well, I can think of six Sedes on this forum who do not "love" the Dimonds, myself, Gladius, Trinity, Myna, Dawn, and Emerentiana.  These are the first six that came to mind, so my figures show that six out of six Sedes dislike the Dimonds.[/quote]

Thank you Cheryl, I was just thinking, what to post about that claim.  You said it just right!  Those brothers give Sedes a bad name.  The  :devil2: tool
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: Roman Catholic on August 19, 2010, 08:43:10 AM
Quote from: Cheryl

Oops, so sorry RC.  Sorry for the oversight.  I stand corrected, seven out of seven Sedes don't "love" the Dimonds.

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 :smile: That's ok. I had not mentioned my views before on this forum about the Dimonds, not that I would have expected that you or anyone else should have remembered anyway even if I had.

I was just piping up now to support your statement that many sedes do not "love" the Dimonds.
Title: Pope St. Pius X
Post by: ServusSpiritusSancti on August 19, 2010, 07:26:48 PM
Quote from: CM
Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
You constantly posts quotes from Pius X


I may have posted his quote once, maybe it was twice.  The only thing "constant" has been my assertion that I believe my position is correct.

Quote from: SS
Have you ever once stopped to think that just maybe you're taking sedevacanism to an extreme level that is unnecessary?


I always keep my mind open to possibilities and close only it on those supported, not by emotionalism or fallacies, but by solid arguments.

Admittedly it did seem to make more sense when I thought Pius X was the last valid Pontiff.




But here is an interesting thought that has occurred to me:

Quote from: The Leonine Prayer to St. Michael
In the Holy Place itself, where has been set up the see of the Most holy peter and the Chair of Truth for the light of the world, they have raised the throne of their abominable impiety, with the iniquitous design that when the Pastor has been struck, the sheep may be scattered.


Present perfect tense with a past participle!?  Why have I never wondered about this before?

Was Leo XIII a Mason who was mocking Catholics?  Where is the best place to hide?  Out in the open.  Who would suspect him if he had written well against their doctrines and societies?

Undeniably it would be a clever plan, and the "in your face" of it all fits perfectly well into the Masonic design (think chemtrails for example).



Why else is there a constant theme of "God the Father of all men" with him?  And no it is not only "Father means Creator", otherwise he would never have said what he did in paragraph 25 of Rerum Novarum?

Quote from: That paragraph, in part,
If sons, heirs also; heirs indeed of God, and co-heirs with Christ


And it is this very encyclical that Pius X quotes, and in which he is clearly talking about Catholics and non-Catholics alike.

God is not that kind of Father to non-Catholics, even if you want to argue He is Father of all in the sense of Creator.  There is a clear progression from here to Vatican II, which can be traced right through the line of papal claimants, in their writings and speeches, up to and including Pius XII (and beyond, for those who actually think these guys are popes).

Quote from: SS
(By the way, this wasn't a post to defend the Dimond Brothers, as I am not sedevacanist, I'm just making a point.)


I understand.

I have a question:  Who is there reading this thread who takes issue with the term "separated brethren" in regard to Protestants?


1.- I believe you've posted quotes from Pius X atleast 4 times within the last month.

2.- You know, people didn't always understand what Jesus meant. I think the same thing applies to Pius X, even though there is a difference there. What I'm saying is that perhaps you are misunderstanding Pius X when apparently implies that God is the Father of every single human being.

3.- Do I take issue with the term "separated bretheren" when applied to Protestants? Yes and no. We were all Catholic at one time, so I can see where the term separated bretheren would come in. However, Vatican II took that too far. They acted as if it was the fault of Catholics that the Protestants are our "separated bretheren". That's why they created the Novus Ordo, to draw us closer to the Protestants (and other religions as well, actually). Catholics are nothing like Protestants, the only huge similarity being that they both worship Christ (though some Protestants are actually freemasons who are just claiming to be Christian).