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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Pope Sifting - Difficulties with Sedevacantism from Angelus 1995.
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2024, 01:51:10 PM »
So explain why Pope John Paul II says in the CCC that the Church has the obligation and right to Evangelize all men? Pope Francis affirms the CCC. Even Pope John Paul II sometimes spoke against "proselytism", it confused me at first ...

OK, I'm trying to have some patience here.  Issue isn't the words but about what they mean.  Someone can have an abortion and try calling it a "surgical procedure", thereby pretending they didn't have an abortion.

I never said that didn't have a word "evanglization", but as you admit they both condemn proselytism.

What you're DOING here is proselytism by their defintion and it's what they've condemned.  Just because you want to CALL it "evangelization" doesn't mean you're not here proselytizing, just like the individual above not having an abortion but, rather, a surgical procedure.

What you're doing here is in fact what both Wojtyla and Bergoglio refer to as proselytism ... regardless of you pretending it isn't by simply applying the word "evangelization" to your activity.

So, the Conciliars distinguish between proselytism and evangelization in that the former is basically telling them they're wrong and that they should change their beliefs ... whereas the latter is presenting your beliefs in an appealing way so that, if they are so inclined, they may approach closer to that fullness of truth.  With the V2 relativism, there's really no such thing as error, but, rather, degrees of truth, truths that are "less full" and truths that are "more full".

So the second you came on here attackiing sedevacantists as schismatics and attacking me as a heretic ... that is 100% what Wojtyla and Bergoglio define as proselytism and have commanded you not to do.  See, I do it too, but I reject their false teaching.  But you claim to accept their teaching authority but are in fact rejecting this teaching of theirs by what you're doing on this forum and what you're doing on X.  It matters nothing that you claim it's "evangelization" since you want to redefine the words to allow yourself to continue this mission from God to convert people to the Conciliar religion, but that Conciliar religion condemns your attempts to convert people to it.

So you're trying to have your Traditional cake and eat your Conciliar religion also.  Pick one or the other.

If you accept the Conciliar religion, then the ENTIRE FOUNDATION OF the revolution entails a recharacterization of what used to be called "error" as instead "degrees of truth", and there's no desire (or need, since they can be saved in false religions by following their consciences) to CONVERT ANYONE (that which Wojtyla and Bergoglio call proselytism).

You have no business here telling us we're wrong, in error, schismatics, heretics.  That's proselytism and is condemned by your "Popes".

Why don't you write a letter to Tucho's Dicastery (formerly Holy Office) whether going on a forum and attacking, say, Greek Orthodox as "schismatics" who need to reject their errors and become Catholics counts as "evangelism" or the "proselytism" they condemn.  They've already defined the difference, but you're just ignoring it because your ego demands that you continue on with this mission of yours despite it having been condemned by your Conciliar Church.

Offline Mark 79

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Re: Pope Sifting - Difficulties with Sedevacantism from Angelus 1995.
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2024, 02:21:42 PM »
Nishant's "mission" from God is precisely the kind of grandiosity pathognomonic of manic breaks in bipolar patients.

impulsivity in manic posting
grandiose self-importance
paranoid over-reaction
apparent sleeplessness
verbosity as a "pressured speech" equivalent
hysterical style


This is not simply an instance of some unfortunate nut case.

Consider:

his conciliar heresies, including his neo-Judaizing
his double-standards (commands us to obey his "Popes" while he freely ignores t hem when he deems convenient),
"cafeteria" Catholic Magisterium (picks and chooses what doctrines, disciplines, and definitions he will obey/disobey),
duplicity (a constant flow of straw men, falsified quote,  fake name in violation of forum rules, et al.)

So it should be clear that this mental case is a malign presence here.



Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Pope Sifting - Difficulties with Sedevacantism from Angelus 1995.
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2024, 02:25:38 PM »
Nishant's "mission" from God is precisely the kind of grandiosity pathognomonic of manic breaks in bipolar patients.

impulsivity in manic posting
grandiose self-importance
paranoid over-reaction
apparent sleeplessness
verbosity as a "pressured speech" equivalent
hysterical style


This is not simply an instance of some unfortunate nut case.

Consider:

his conciliar heresies, including his neo-Judaizing
his double-standards,
"cafeteria" Catholic Magisterium (picks and chooses what doctrines, disciplines, and definitions he will obey/disobey),
duplicity (a constant flow of straw men, falsified quote,  fake name in violation of forum rules, et al.)

So it should be clear that this mental case is a malign presence here.

I don't know much about such conditions, but it does sound reasonable.  I think that the delusion of grandeur, literally thinking (and I think at one point he believes that God somehow indicated this to him) that he's going to convert a billion people ... certainly qualifies as a mental disorder.

I knew a guy who had full-blown narcissistic personality disorder.  At one point he just admitted in casual conversation (he was Lebanese and a Maronite Catholic) that he had attended a Maronite seminary in his youth but was dismissed because his spiritual director told him "you think you're God."  I think that he did literally believe that he was God or close to it.

Offline Mark 79

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Re: Pope Sifting - Difficulties with Sedevacantism from Angelus 1995.
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2024, 02:45:38 PM »
I don't know much about such conditions, but it does sound reasonable.  I think that the delusion of grandeur, literally thinking (and I think at one point he believes that God somehow indicated this to him) that he's going to convert a billion people ... certainly qualifies as a mental disorder.

I knew a guy who had full-blown narcissistic personality disorder.  At one point he just admitted in casual conversation (he was Lebanese and a Maronite Catholic) that he had attended a Maronite seminary in his youth but was dismissed because his spiritual director told him "you think you're God."  I think that he did literally believe that he was God or close to it.

Well… you've hit the nail on the head. Some cases are so far gone that it doesn't take inflated credentials to make the diagnosis.

As soon as the pieces of the pattern fell into place, I decided to give Nishant a little space to recover and reflect. He abused that. 

He has doubled-down on his "delusions of grandeur" (precisely as you nailed it) and has pushed hard on his modernist heresies and inconsistencies, casting anathemata on all who recognize his heresies.

I think his mental illness, once recognized, warranted some tenderness, but it is unacceptable to use that as an excuse to give him leeway with his conciliar/modernist heresies (and inconsistencies of convenience).

I hope that Matthew enforces his own rules about banned posters who return under a phony alter ego.

If we are tolerant of heresies, we will deserve what we will get, more heretics. In fact we already see that with josh987654321 who boldly and repeatedly rejects Magisterium that only a remnant of Jєωs will be saved, "evangelizing" us with his promotion of "Jєωιѕн understanding of Scripture."

Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Pope Sifting - Difficulties with Sedevacantism from Angelus 1995.
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2024, 03:03:06 PM »
, but are just here to troll and on some mission to "convert" us (even though we're all 
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