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Title: pope recounts his days as an altar boy
Post by: jman123 on February 28, 2016, 07:42:25 PM
Pretty disparaging of the TLM.

http://www.cfnews.org/page88/files/cfbe9050357efeb4efcdddbfc42091c3-541.html
By John Vennari

It appears that a children’s book titled Dear Pope Francis is to be released on March 1.

Rorate Caeli obtained and posted a section of the book that is not only disturbing, but provides a snapshot into the mind of Francis concerning the ancient Mass of the Church.

This is the excerpt:

“Dear Pope Francis,
Were you ever near the pries as the altar boy?
Greetings from Alessio (Italy, age 9)”

“Dear Alessio, yes, I was an altar boy. And you? What part among the altar boys do you have? It’s easier to do now, you know: You might know that, when I was a kid, Mass was celebrated different than today. Back then, the priest faced the altar, which was next to the wall, and not the people. Then the book with which he said the Mass, the missal, was placed on the right side of the altar. But before reading of the Gospel it always had to be moved to the left side. That was my job: to carry it from right to left. It was exhausting! The book was heavy! I picked it up with all my energy but I wasn’t so strong; I picked it up once and fell down, so the priest had to help me. Some job I did! The Mass wasn’t in Italian then. The priest spoke but I didn’t understand anything. and neither did my friends.  So for fun we’d do imitations of the priest, messing up the words a bit to make up weird sayings in Spanish. We had fun, and we really enjoyed serving Mass."

What, then, has Francis effectively taught this nine-year-old altar boy, and any youngster who reads the book?

1) The protestantized Novus Ordo is superior to the old, stodgy,“other-worldly” Tridentine Mass, where the priest faced the altar and not the people, and where the faithful allegedly could not understand what the priest said.

2) The Mass and things pertaining to the Mass can be the object of cheap amusement even by altar boys while they are serving. How contrary this is to the spirit of Catholicism.

The Gifts of Piety and Fear of the Lord, two of the Seven Gifts of the Holy Ghost, instill in us a reverential fear of God, which recognizes God’s greatness and our littleness, and a deep respect for those things that pertain to God, which must be treated in a reverential manner. These Gifts do not appear to be manifest in Francis. There is also no sense of the supernatural when Francis speaks of the Mass.

Francis, the modernist Jesuit, boasts to a nine-year-old youngster, and thousands of other youngsters who will be given a copy of this book, that, “messing up the words a bit to make up weird sayings” is an acceptable practice for an altar server. What really matters, “We had fun…”. The excerpt from the book reminds us of the episode – captured on video – where Francis poked fun at the little altar boy properly folding his hands in prayer. “Are your hands stuck together?” asked Francis, grabbing the boys hands and moving apart and back.

For Francis, some of the most sacred aspects of Catholic practice can be the object of sport: “We messed up the words” of the Mass, “We had fun,” “Are your hands stuck together?”

Who is this vulgar little man that our contemporary Cardinals elected in 2013?

One month into his papacy, I stated publicly I would never allow Pope Francis to teach religion to my children. After almost three years of this tumultuous reign, I reconfirm that statement with greater intensity.

Francis’ vulgar mockery of aspects of the Mass (which reminds me of the Novus Ordo priests of the early 1970s trying so hard to be ‘cool’ and ‘one of the guys’), his public praise of the abortionist Emma Bonino, his guilty silence in the face of his duty to oppose Italy’s same-sex Civil Union bill (that passed due to his silence), his recent Situation Ethics approach to contraception, wherein he recently indicated that use contraception may be an option as a shield against Zika infection, and his countless scandalous words and actions wherein he sounds worse than a 21st Century combination of Cardinal Bernadin and Leonardo Boff, further and further erodes his moral authority. Faithful Catholics run for cover almost every time he opens his mouth.

This is why I am afraid when Francis appears ready to get his hands on anything else Catholic that I love, for he seems to subvert all he touches.

St. Alphonse Liguori tells us in a Letter of October 24, 1774, that it is possible for a Pope to be elected who does not have the greater glory of God as his main concern, that such a Pope will not receive the help from God that he needs, and that things will go from bad to worse.

St. Alphonsus writes at the time of a Papal Conclave, “As regards the bishops, very few of them possess genuine zeal for souls … So we have to pray to Jesus Christ that he would give us as head of the Church one possessed of more spirit and zeal for the glory of God than of learning and human prudence. He should be free of all party attachments and devoid of human respect. If, by chance, for our great misfortune, we should get a Pope that does not have the glory of God as his sole purpose, the Lord will not help him greatly and things from their present condition will go from bad to worse.”

We are now in a state where we have a Pope who seems to manifest some of the worst aspects of modernist Jesuitism, does not seem to be guided by the spirit of God, and where things are going from bad to worse. The Message of Fatima tells us to “pray a great deal for the Holy Father,” and likewise St. Alphonse Liguori urged Catholics to pray that the Lord remedy such a situation.

In the meantime, we continue to publicly resist the words and actions of Pope Francis that appear contrary to the Faith of all time, and promote the traditional Catholic Faith to all those in our sphere of influence.

We close by quoting the renowned Father Francisco Suarez, one of many who remind us of the need to resist: “If [the Pope] gives an order contrary to good customs, he should not be obeyed; if he attempts to do something manifestly opposed to justice and the common good, it will be licit to resist him; if he attacks by force, by force he can be repelled, with a moderation appropriate to a just defense.”


Below: graphic of Francis text as posted on Rorate Caeli
Title: pope recounts his days as an altar boy
Post by: OHCA on February 28, 2016, 08:01:58 PM
"That was my job: to carry it from right to left. It was exhausting! The book was heavy! I picked it up with all my energy but I wasn’t so strong; I picked it up once and fell down, so the priest had to help me."

What a dramatic little fαɢɢօt!  Irreverent bastard has never had the Faith!
Title: pope recounts his days as an altar boy
Post by: AnonymousCatholic on February 28, 2016, 08:45:17 PM
Quote from: OHCA
"That was my job: to carry it from right to left. It was exhausting! The book was heavy! I picked it up with all my energy but I wasn’t so strong; I picked it up once and fell down, so the priest had to help me."

What a dramatic little fαɢɢօt!  Irreverent bastard has never had the Faith!



Dramatic, effeminate and annoying. We need a pope that can actually do his job.
Title: pope recounts his days as an altar boy
Post by: JezusDeKoning on February 28, 2016, 08:49:53 PM
There were a pretty fair percentage of Catholics who didn't like the Latin Mass and accepted the NO with open arms.

I hate that THIS guy was one of them, though.
Title: pope recounts his days as an altar boy
Post by: Lighthouse on February 28, 2016, 08:58:08 PM
Of course, that would not be the last time he failed in his duty to carry the Gospel.
Title: pope recounts his days as an altar boy
Post by: Nadir on February 29, 2016, 01:47:56 AM
Quote from: JezusDeKoning
There were a pretty fair percentage of Catholics who didn't like the Latin Mass.

Were you there?

I never met one and I never heard anyone complain about it. It is only after the fact that these bright ideas appear.
Title: pope recounts his days as an altar boy
Post by: claudel on February 29, 2016, 04:19:24 PM
Quote from: Nadir
Quote from: JezusDeKoning
There were a pretty fair percentage of Catholics who didn't like the Latin Mass.


Were you there?

I never met one and I never heard anyone complain about it. It is only after the fact that these bright ideas appear.


A very fine reply, Nadir, to a pretentious, false, and condescending comment. Had any Catholic alive in 1956 publicly spoken or written about the Mass as Bergoglio has, his reward would have been universal scorn and condemnation. The Modernist revolutionaries knew full well that without utter secrecy, their agenda was going nowhere.

The assumptions inherent in JDK's glib throwaway are the moronic and indeed slanderous assumptions that litter almost every CathInfo thread concerning the past sixty years and the people who lived through them. He and his ilk need to recall that the emotional and intellectual dimensions of the virtue of modesty are quite as important as its physical aspect (an aspect that this site's postadolescent commenters obsess about endlessly, frequently in such graphic detail as to border uncomfortably on prurience). Yet the policy here is to allow mere children—whether in actual age or in evident immaturity—to behave like know-it-alls despite their blatant ignorance about this and almost every other topic under the sun. No wonder so many of them are self-anointed popes!

Thanks again for striking a blow (however ineffectual it will surely be in the longer term) against uncharitable prattle and smug self-regard.
Title: pope recounts his days as an altar boy
Post by: Earl of Devonshire on February 29, 2016, 04:31:17 PM
I wonder if he actually was this disparaging of the Mass when he was a child? Or if he is simply making this up to slander the Mass and promote the Nodus Orvo "mass".
Title: pope recounts his days as an altar boy
Post by: Alexandria on February 29, 2016, 05:25:28 PM
Quote from: Nadir
Quote from: JezusDeKoning
There were a pretty fair percentage of Catholics who didn't like the Latin Mass.

Were you there?

I never met one and I never heard anyone complain about it. It is only after the fact that these bright ideas appear.

I never met one either, and I was there.    But I did met a lot, and I do mean a lot, of Catholics who complained in the sixties and seventies about the changes in the Mass, and then the Mass itself.
Title: pope recounts his days as an altar boy
Post by: Disputaciones on February 29, 2016, 10:34:08 PM
Quote from: Earl of Devonshire
I wonder if he actually was this disparaging of the Mass when he was a child? Or if he is simply making this up to slander the Mass and promote the Nodus Orvo "mass".


Good question. It very well could be.
Title: pope recounts his days as an altar boy
Post by: poche on February 29, 2016, 11:24:01 PM
I try not to give children ideas on what to do to misbehave.
Title: pope recounts his days as an altar boy
Post by: Stubborn on March 01, 2016, 06:32:10 AM
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"That was my job: to carry it from right to left. It was exhausting! The book was heavy! I picked it up with all my energy but I wasn’t so strong; I picked it up once and fell down, so the priest had to help me."


I recall this problem when I was 60 pounds soaking wet and serving - the book being bigger than me ha ha! But never in a million years would I say it was exhausting the whole two times each Mass that I picked it up and carried it to the other side of the altar - those times I served from the Gospel side. All he is doing is *purposely* slandering the True Mass, scandalizing the little children who read his book.

These days, I love it when there's a little kid up there serving and tries to make it look light and easy while obviously struggling a little with it lol. But honestly, for him to say such an obviously stupid thing is beyond ridiculous and is obviously purposely done because no way could anyone say such a a thing honestly.  





Title: pope recounts his days as an altar boy
Post by: OHCA on March 01, 2016, 11:02:28 AM
Quote from: poche
I try not to give children ideas on what to do to misbehave.


You should have a chat with your leader, Frank the Fraud.
Title: pope recounts his days as an altar boy
Post by: Alexandria on March 01, 2016, 11:06:02 AM
Quote from: Disputaciones
Quote from: Earl of Devonshire
I wonder if he actually was this disparaging of the Mass when he was a child? Or if he is simply making this up to slander the Mass and promote the Nodus Orvo "mass".


Good question. It very well could be.


They're all like that, always making snide remarks about anything to do with tradition or the traditional Mass.  The sorriest are the ones who are way too young to remember anything other than what we now have and have been conditioned to despise the old Mass.  They don't even know why they hate it other than they just do.

I don't think he's making it up.  He seems the type to have done that.  The child is father to the man.
Title: pope recounts his days as an altar boy
Post by: MMagdala on March 01, 2016, 01:52:57 PM
Quote from: Francis

That was my job: to carry it from right to left. It was exhausting! The book was heavy!


Quote from: Our Lord Jesus Christ

Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me." Mt 16:24


Quote from: Our Lord Jesus Christ

Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Mt 10:38


Quote from: Our Lord Jesus Christ

Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. Mk 8:34


Quote from: Our Lord Jesus Christ

Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. Lk 9:23


Quote from: Saint Peter

But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God. 21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us,[a] leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps.  1 Peter 2:20-22

Title: pope recounts his days as an altar boy
Post by: Earl of Devonshire on March 01, 2016, 03:39:53 PM
Quote from: Alexandria
Quote from: Disputaciones
Quote from: Earl of Devonshire
I wonder if he actually was this disparaging of the Mass when he was a child? Or if he is simply making this up to slander the Mass and promote the Nodus Orvo "mass".


Good question. It very well could be.


They're all like that, always making snide remarks about anything to do with tradition or the traditional Mass.  The sorriest are the ones who are way too young to remember anything other than what we now have and have been conditioned to despise the old Mass.  They don't even know why they hate it other than they just do.

I don't think he's making it up.  He seems the type to have done that.  The child is father to the man.

I don't know. Maybe he was good as a kid but was corrupted in his adulthood (goodness knows what they do in the Jesuits).
Title: Re: pope recounts his days as an altar boy
Post by: Neil Obstat on April 16, 2018, 11:11:58 PM
Some job I did! The Mass wasn’t in Italian then. The priest spoke [Latin] but I didn’t understand anything [...because it was in Latin!...] and neither did my friends.  So for fun we’d do imitations of the priest, messing up the words a bit to make up weird sayings in Spanish. We had fun, and we really enjoyed serving Mass.
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No, the Mass wasn't in Italian then. And the Mass STILL isn't in Italian THERE. That was in Argentina where the Latin Mass was abandoned in favor of the vernacular Spanish. Even though at Vatican II the part that allowed for vernacular language only did so as an exception to the general and accepted rule that Latin would remain the official language of the Roman Mass, just like it said that Gregorian Chant would retain pride of place. HAHAHA Is that what Prolux and Haugen did? (NOT)
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So Francis making buddy-buddy overtures with the Lutherans is nothing new. He practiced their nuances as a child when serving Mass. He admits here that he and his buddies would "do imitations of the priest, messing up the (Latin) words a bit to make weird sayings" in another language. That's exactly what Martin Luther did with his partners in crime. I wonder who Jorge Bergoglio's "freinds" were!
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I had this explained to me by a Lutheran pastor, when he told me that the ridiculing words, "Hocus Pocus Dominocus," are just that: disrespectful imitation of Latin words the Catholic priest utters at the consecration of the host, "Hoc est enim corpus meum..." (Except the Lutheran pastor omitted "enim" and said, "Hoc est corpus." He had forgotten enim because he had no USE for it! All he wanted to recall was "Hoc est corpus" so he could tell this rotten tale to visiting Catholic men whom he would try to convert to the Lutheran heresy! This conspicuous omission managed to confuse me at the time, but I went home, got out my missal, and cleared up the confusion. I have not forgotten his words for the past 20 years, though.)
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Then you have to skip the next 64 words before you have "...Domine..." found in the Unde et memores.
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Calling this to mind, I now recognize that this blasphemy of the words of consecration are directed also at the words of the Unde et momores, which are words of intense theological depth. Translated:
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"Wherefore, O Lord, we, Thy servants, as also Thy holy
people, calling to mind the blessed passion of the same
Christ, Thy Son, our Lord, His resurrection from the grave,
and His glorious ascension into heaven, offer up to Thy
most excellent majesty of Thine own gifts bestowed upon
us, a victim which is holy, a victim which is stainless,
the holy bread of life everlasting,
and the chalice of eternal salvation."
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But out of all that, all the vile Lutherans wanted to ridicule was one word, Domine, for which they substituted "Dominocus," so that it would rhyme with corpus, the very body and reality that they dared to deny with their "hocus pocus dominocus." They did the same corruption to Hoc est with "hocus" making an 8-syllable rhyme with two 4-syllable parts ending with "-ocus."
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It makes me wonder what those silly Spanish words were of young Jorge and his companions -- were they more blasphemous than the Lutherans'? Certainly such a child growing up to become "Bishop of Rome" is of a like order. 
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Title: Re: pope recounts his days as an altar boy
Post by: AJNC on April 19, 2018, 08:36:29 AM
"That was my job: to carry it from right to left. It was exhausting! The book was heavy! I picked it up with all my energy but I wasn’t so strong; I picked it up once and fell down, so the priest had to help me."

What a dramatic little fαɢɢօt!  Irreverent bastard has never had the Faith!
Very apt description of the man! Wonder what he turned out to be in his adult life. AC,DC ...Double Mix, Dolly Mix?