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Offline xavierpope

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Pope Pius XII
« on: June 04, 2018, 01:25:19 PM »
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  • Anyone else wondering why this great pope is not a saint?

    I remember reading a story that padre pio was celebrating mass one day and saw him in heaven - how beautiful

    Please join me in a novena for him to be recognised by the church as a saint

    O Venerable Pope Pius XII, who had on earth great courage to preach the word of God, vigor to repel the enemies of the Church, and zeal for the Holy Name, pray for us poor sinners. May we, O Pius, have a double portion of thy righteous qualities in defense of our holy Church. May we never abandon our duty to defend the faith, with fortitude, wherever we are and in whatever state God hath put us. Venerable Pius, may we, like thee, show the radiant glory of our Holy Lord in everything we do and say. And this, through the graciousness of the Divine Majesty, to Whom we humbly ask thee to pray for our benefit and protection. 
    Through Christ our Lord. Amen.


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    Re: Pope Pius XII
    « Reply #1 on: June 04, 2018, 01:36:47 PM »
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  • He is not a saint because saint popes are rare now, since the 1300's there are only two saint popes, Pius V and Pius X. That's 700+ years.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: Pope Pius XII
    « Reply #2 on: June 04, 2018, 01:37:19 PM »
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  • Anyone else wondering why this great pope is not a saint?

    Are you kidding?

    He appointed the vast majority of the modernist bishops who later brought us Vatican II.  He opened the door for evolution.  He opened the door for Catholic birth control.  He allowed the attack on the EENS dogma.  He launched the illustrious career of one Annibale Bugnini and empowered him to mess around with the liturgy.  If there's any Pope who was THE watershed into Vatican II, it was Pius XII.  Pius XII was one of the weakest popes in the history of popes.

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    Re: Pope Pius XII
    « Reply #3 on: June 04, 2018, 01:37:53 PM »
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  • He is not a saint because saint popes are rare now, since the 1300's there are only two saint popes, Pius V and Pius X. That's 700+ years.

    Are you forgetting about St. John Paul II the Great?

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    Re: Pope Pius XII
    « Reply #4 on: June 04, 2018, 01:38:10 PM »
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  • Why is Leo XIII not a saint?
    "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
    Ephesians 2:8-9


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    Re: Pope Pius XII
    « Reply #5 on: June 04, 2018, 01:38:59 PM »
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  • Please join me in a novena for him to be recognised by the church as a saint

    I would be more interested in finding a Church that I can recognize as the Church so that that Church can than make any necessary recognitions.

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    Re: Pope Pius XII
    « Reply #6 on: June 04, 2018, 01:39:51 PM »
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  • Are you forgetting about St. John Paul II the Great?
    John Paul II, John XXIII and soon to be Paul VI are all saints of the counterfeit church of Vatican II
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Pope Pius XII
    « Reply #7 on: June 04, 2018, 01:42:22 PM »
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  • Why is Leo XIII not a saint?
    Because it is a rare event to have a saint pope. In 700 years only 2 popes. Don't be fooled by the Vatican II mindset that sainted popes are as common as cats in the kitchen
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: Pope Pius XII
    « Reply #8 on: June 04, 2018, 01:42:51 PM »
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  • John Paul II, John XXIII and soon to be Paul VI are all saints of the counterfeit church of Vatican II

    I was just yanking your chain, which is why I mentioned the Ungreat.

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    Re: Pope Pius XII
    « Reply #9 on: June 04, 2018, 01:47:42 PM »
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  • If Pope Pius XII were to be canonized today, I would doubt the authenticity of such canonization.

    As a matter of fact, I have arrived to the conclusion that every single canonization coming from the saint-factory following Vatican II, is doubtful, at best, including the suspicious declarations of female "Doctors" of the Church.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: Pope Pius XII
    « Reply #10 on: June 04, 2018, 03:42:06 PM »
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  • If Pope Pius XII were to be canonized today, I would doubt the authenticity of such canonization.

    As a matter of fact, I have arrived to the conclusion that every single canonization coming from the saint-factory following Vatican II, is doubtful, at best, including the suspicious declarations of female "Doctors" of the Church.
    I would agree with you. Everything they do is tainted by fulfilling modern agendas.


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    Re: Pope Pius XII
    « Reply #11 on: June 04, 2018, 05:20:28 PM »
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  • John Paul II, John XXIII and soon to be Paul VI are all saints of the counterfeit church of Vatican II
    I've noticed on sedeplenist Traditional Catholic channels that the imminent canonisation of Paul VI is starting to cause doubts about Francis' Papacy. Canonisations are infallible after all, and it's hard to fathom how Paul VI could be a Saint.

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    Re: Pope Pius XII
    « Reply #12 on: June 04, 2018, 05:59:34 PM »
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  • I've noticed on sedeplenist Traditional Catholic channels that the imminent canonisation of Paul VI is starting to cause doubts about Francis' Papacy. Canonisations are infallible after all, and it's hard to fathom how Paul VI could be a Saint.
    No they aren't ( especially when the standards have been wittled  down to almost nothin )
    "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
    Ephesians 2:8-9

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    Re: Pope Pius XII
    « Reply #13 on: June 04, 2018, 06:07:50 PM »
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  • I was just yanking your chain, which is why I mentioned the Ungreat.
    I know,  never thought otherwise, but I wanted to make it clear for others who think JPII really is "The Great".
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Pope Pius XII
    « Reply #14 on: June 04, 2018, 06:10:09 PM »
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  • No they aren't ( especially when the standards have been wittled  down to almost nothin )
    Yes they are. You can't pick and choose your Saints. If the Church makes someone a Saint then they're a Saint and we know for certain they're in Heaven.

    The 1967 New Catholic Encyclopedia: "The dogma that saints are to be venerated and invoked as set forth in the profession of faith of Trent (cf. Denz. 1867) has as its correlative the power to canonize. ... "

    St. Thomas Aquinas:, 'Honor we show the saints is a certain profession of faith by which we believe in their glory, and it is to be piously believed that even in this the judgment of the Church is not able to err' (Quodl. 9:8:16).