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Retablo · « **Reply #10 on:** February 08, 2012, 11:28:54 AM »

Quote from: Gregory I

Excuse me, to compare Ratzinger to Peter is to insult the Blessed St. Peter. Peter denied any affiliation with Christ

Well, that wasn't Peter's only misstep, of course, but no matter. I understand that a Sedevacantist and myself are not about to see eye-to-eye with respect to the status of Benedict XVI.

Let me ask this question, though, if I may prevail upon your patience:

You regard Benedict XVI's claim to the See of Peter as illegitimate, of course. Can you conceive of any scenario through which his claim could be legitimized? Could the ostensible pope, under any circuмstances, become the true and authentic bishop of Rome? If so, what would those circuмstances involve, would you say?

PereJoseph:

You have a remarkable talent for providing a well-considered, multi-dimensional, and thorough response to difficult questions; I enjoy interacting with you. I wonder if I could ask you also to ponder the question I've asked of GregoryI.

Trinity · « **Reply #11 on:** February 08, 2012, 12:19:15 PM »

I've been wanting to ask this question for some time. Is there a school of thought that what has been going on in the vatican is a series of mere papal sins? Peccadilloes perhaps?

TKGS · « **Reply #12 on:** February 08, 2012, 02:42:30 PM »

Quote from: Retablo

Can you conceive of any scenario through which his claim could be legitimized? Could the ostensible pope, under any circuмstances, become the true and authentic bishop of Rome? If so, what would those circuмstances involve, would you say?

The first step is, of course, that the ostensible pope stop, at least, speaking and teaching heresy. The second steop would be that the ostensible pope begin teaching the Catholic Faith.

When these things happen, it will be time to start discussing the question.

Retablo · « **Reply #13 on:** February 08, 2012, 02:53:34 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: Retablo
Can you conceive of any scenario through which his claim could be legitimized? Could the ostensible pope, under any circuмstances, become the true and authentic bishop of Rome? If so, what would those circuмstances involve, would you say?

The first step is, of course, that the ostensible pope stop, at least, speaking and teaching heresy. The second steop would be that the ostensible pope begin teaching the Catholic Faith.

When these things happen, it will be time to start discussing the question.

TKGS: well that is the question, so let's assume for the sake of argument that Benedict XVI has been teaching heresy, but he repents, publicly, to your satisfaction. What, then, regularizes his situation, would you say? Obviously if he has not been legitimately elected pope, he doesn't simply become pope, now, just because he's finally getting everything right, correct?

Does he, then, at that point, just become a Sedevacantist priest, or is there some way by which he legitimizes his claim, becoming the authentic pope? Also, if there be other contenders to fill the vacant throne, is Benedict's claim stronger on account of his association with the office?

MyrnaM · « **Reply #14 on:** February 08, 2012, 04:15:41 PM »

What say you Retablo can you think of a circuмstance where your current leader will make a public declaration that Vatican II is to be annulled and the men who usurped the Chair of Peter during those unhappy times, their names, John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, and Benedict XVI are burnt along with any and all writings authored by said persons.

Perhaps if this was done, then a Conclave of Traditional Bishops can be called and a new Pope be restored, Ratzingers name, because of his good deed described above, might be in the run.

But I wouldn't hold my breath that this will happen! Yet, God does work in mysterious ways doesn't He.

I wanted to say, that Ratzinger also order the deceased Vatican II "popes" be exhumed and tossed into the Tiber river, but decided not to say it.