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Pope Pius Paul the Eleventy-Twelfth
« on: February 07, 2012, 05:53:37 PM »
I'm a newcomer to this community and I am noticing that there are alot of "Sedevacantists" who participate in this forum.

Sedevacantism is not an area I find myself extremely well-versed in. I know enough to know what it means and that I don't find myself in agreement with the position. I also know that there have been a number of such people who at one point decided that they, themselves, were somehow the true bishop of Rome (Gregory XVII, Pius XIII, Michael, &c).

I have two questions (and pardon me if, as a newcomer, I am attempting to begin a conversation that has already been had to death in this forum):

1. Are there former Sedevacantists here who now believe that the Chair of Peter is occupied (by someone other than Benedict XVI), and if so, how do they, personally, fit in to that man's...regime (pardon the term). Are you a layperson in fealty to him? Are you one of his priests? One of his bishops?

2. For those who remain Sedevacantists, do you find yourselves more sensible of inevitability or of futility? That is to say, do you anticipate the See of Rome will be occupied any time soon, or do you all but despair of it at this point? Furthermore, if you think the See will, indeed, be occupied soon, by whom might it be occupied, do you suppose, and approximately when might you expect it to happen? Are there any "papabile" today, in other words?

Pope Pius Paul the Eleventy-Twelfth
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2012, 08:03:46 PM »
Why I believe the Pope is the Pope? The short answer is that I have no reason at all to believe otherwise.  But that's another discussion, altogether, I suppose. I'm interested in finding out what Sedevacantists think about what the future holds for the leadership of the Church, as they perceive it.


Pope Pius Paul the Eleventy-Twelfth
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2012, 08:54:04 PM »
As a sedevacantist,  it is simple for me, not complicated.  I just don’t believe that a past pope can be contradicted by a future pope in matters of Faith  to the degree that even the First Commandment is cast aside as if it means nothing at all.
 
I don’t think any sedevacantist, really knows, even if they think they know.   Most want to believe we will have a true pope again and we also think it will be at the Hand of God when it happens, not at the hand of man.

Because at the Hand of God, the world will know the True Pope, because He is God and will make sure of it. It won't be a self proclaimed pope somewhere, or even someone that a particular group of people elected, it will be a Pope that the whole world, or what is left of it will know.

None pretend to know when it will happen although they may speculate about how and when.  It really comes down to trust in Jesus Christ, He is the Head of His Church and the only thing we know for sure is the end of the story.  The Church will survive.  

Pope Pius Paul the Eleventy-Twelfth
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2012, 08:54:07 PM »
Well, whether one is sede or not, all Trads are aware that there is a crisis in the Church that won't be corrected until the chastisement comes. According to Prophecies, after the chastisement is over, St. Peter and Paul will come and appoint a new Pope.

Pope Pius Paul the Eleventy-Twelfth
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2012, 09:38:09 PM »
So, MyrnaM, no one waiting in the wings, then, so far as you seem to discern. And, furthermore, no one who is going to convince you he's pope because a sedevacantist coffee klatch somewhere "elected" him and gave him a new name with a regnal numeral after it and set him up with his own website from which to shepherd the flock.  

The vacancy of the See of Rome, as you see it, will involve a more universal resolution, probably Divine in character, that will be fairly obvious to the whole world, satisfying more than just a little group here or a little group there.

If this is to be resolved by the "Hand of God" as you say, will it be, do you imagine, a sort of instant, spectacular resolution, such as SpiritusSanctus has in mind?

Or do you think it might possibly involve a more subtle but obvious motion of the Almighty over time? Might it perhaps involve God working in time through human hands to accomplish the work in due course, according to His usual way? Perhaps even through Catholics of the City of Rome, itself (as opposed to, say, Catholics in small town America or in Francophone Canada or something), effecting the election, somehow, of their own bishop?