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Offline Mithrandylan

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Re: SSPX Caving on Coronavirus
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2020, 10:05:48 AM »
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  • In the case of a public health issue the government has the right and the responsibility to dictate if people can or cannot congregate in  groups period.
    That's what we have governments for in situations like Italy where the sheeple are too dumb to use common sense.
    If people used common sense the issue would be resolved much more quickly and life would go back to norman.
    People are still refusing to cancel travel plans.
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    I am generally convinced by this line of reasoning.  Certainly in the theoretical.  There is ample room to debate over whether or not this or that government can/should be trusted, whether or not there are ulterior end games, etc. There likely are.  But.
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    There's much more to consider than the raw 'getting' of the virus.  By all accounts, raw mortality is not as bad as the flu.  And if you get it, chances are you'll be alright unless you're old or already sick.  Yet, the healthcare system itself has a breaking point.  If you pack the healthcare system with a penetrating contagion (like COVID), that has significant effects on any and everyone who gets sick, regardless of whether or not they have COVID.
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    In Italy, the doctors are being told by their governing boards to conduct themselves according to the principles of catastrophic medicine.  That's war time medicine, and that's like what you see in the movies where there's one medic and two men on the battlefield, one whose lost one limb and one whose lost three.  The doctor gives the guy who lost three limbs morphine, and then leaves him to bleed out so he can treat the guy with the better prognosis. 
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    You don't want that kind of situation anywhere.  Because if you get sick, or if you have medical needs, you'd better hope they're the kind of thing that can be treated more or less on your own.  Because if you need help, you're now competing for triage will millions of other people.
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    The government doesn't have the right to forbid Catholic assembly but I am not convinced that at least some Catholic churches and chapels don't, at the very least, have a duty to consider whether or not they should, say, limit mass attendance.  They can overcome that by having more masses, if need be.  I know in Italy it isn't just the SSPX but the IMCB are abiding by the regulations.  And I think by anyone's measure they're more 'hardcore' than the SSPX. 
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    Your priests are tired, typically not very well fed, and many of them are old themselves.  Think about that before insisting that they conduct themselves 'business as usual.' 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


    Offline Mr G

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    Re: SSPX Caving on Coronavirus
    « Reply #16 on: March 13, 2020, 12:20:17 PM »
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  • https://fatima.org/news-views/fatima-perspectives-1385/

    Item:   All Masses in Rome are suspended until further notice.
    Item:   All Masses in Italy are suspended until further notice.
    Item:   Easter and Holy Week are cancelled in Geneva, and all Masses are suppressed until further notice.
    Item:   The Sunday Mass obligation is suspended throughout Austria until further notice.
    Item:   The healing baths at Lourdes — irony of ironies — have been closed until further notice.
    Item:   The Diocese of Pittsburgh has suspended the Sunday Mass obligation until further notice.

    More of these ecclesiastical closings will follow as the Coronavirus Panic of 2020 disrupts the entire world based (as of this writing) on 5,000 deaths worldwide from COVID-19, 80% of which occurred in China, versus 95,000 deaths from the common flu during the same time period (January 1 to the present), which will likely rise to the annual average of around 600,000 flu deaths worldwide as the winter flu season begins in the Southern Hemisphere, where it is summer now.

    Why are Catholic churchmen succuмbing to this panic, particularly in Italy where there is no government order compelling churches to close despite an otherwise draconian “lockdown” imposed on the whole country by President Conte?  Antonio Socci has what I believe is the correct answer: “The tobacconist, the news agent and the pastry shop remain open, the churches do not; the churches where Masses have already been suppressed; the churches where only few faithful enter in dribs and drabs to say a prayer from today will be closed. Not by government decree, but by the will of Bergoglio.”

    But then what is behind the Pope’s lockdown of the Church in Italy?  As Socci notes in an acerbic commentary, the same Pope who speaks of a Church that must “go out of herself” is now “literally barricaded in the Vatican for fear of the coronavirus” along with his cardinals.  “They who call themselves revolutionaries,” he continues, “are revealed as so many fearful Father Abbondios.” Socci is here referring to the character of Don Abbondio in the famed Italian novel I Promessi Sposi (The Betrothed), who refuses to perform a legitimate marriage because he has been threatened by Don Rodrigo, the corrupt nobleman who is the villain of the piece.

    This, says Socci in words dripping with acid, reveals “the great hypocrisy of the ‘progressivist church’… Bergoglio said that pastors must take on the odor of the sheep, but he and the pastors have run off and now stand well away from the sheep.”  So much, Socci adds, for the other slogan of this pontificate: that the Church is “a field hospital.”  “As soon as the epidemic exploded, this field hospital disappeared without trace.”

    And then there is Socci’s really quite stunning observation; one of those brilliantly obvious points only a real thinker discerns:  “The Bergoglian church decrees that for the faithful the Mass is finished and for the first time in two thousand years the country that is the heart of Christianity will remain totally, and for days, without the Mass.”  To be precise, Mass for the people, as priests will still say their Masses in private.


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    Re: SSPX Caving on Coronavirus
    « Reply #17 on: March 13, 2020, 05:11:10 PM »
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  • Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: SSPX Caving on Coronavirus
    « Reply #18 on: March 13, 2020, 11:32:01 PM »
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  • In times of disarray we need more prayers, not less.  In the middle of a plague in St Don Bosco’s time, he asked a bunch of the older boys to go into the city to help the sick.  He promised all of them that if they were in the state of grace, that God would protect them from illness/death due to their faith and charity work.  Every boy that went into the city came back to the Oratory healthy, save one.  I think one of the boys stole something and he ended up dying from the disease.  Moral of the story?  Have Faith, pray and trust in God.  Also, this virus is not a plague.  Let’s all calm down.