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« Reply #165 on: September 06, 2010, 10:16:15 AM »
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    S.S., R.C.  -

    I'm surmising that Classicom knows how to spell the name of the Catholic Bible with no problem (if you noticed, R.C., he made a point of correcting your old-fashioned spelling of the past participle of the verb 'to spell').

    I think Classicom was actually making a play on the phonetic similarity between 'Douay',  and "Dewey" -- as in John Dewey, the notorious liberal philosopher whose theories had such a deleterious effect on American public school education, among other things.  He was being a wit, in other words.

    FWIW,
    Janet C.


    Thanks Janet,

    Actually it was SS who wrote "spelt" but yes I did notice that Classicom  made a point of correcting the old-fashioned spelling.

    Classicom implied that he likes the Douay version, so I do not know why he would have spelled it as "Dewey" unless he really is is unfamiliar with it.

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    « Reply #166 on: September 06, 2010, 10:26:08 AM »
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    S.S., R.C.  -

    I'm surmising that Classicom knows how to spell the name of the Catholic Bible with no problem (if you noticed, R.C., he made a point of correcting your old-fashioned spelling of the past participle of the verb 'to spell').

    I think Classiccom was actually making a play on the phonetic similarity between 'Douay',  and "Dewey" -- as in John Dewey, the notorious liberal philosopher whose theories had such a deleterious effect on American public school education, among other things.  He was being a wit, in other words.

    FWIW,
    Janet C.


      Hard to believe a spelling mistake would arouse this much rancor. It is Satanic to strain a gnat and totally ignore the original subject matter. That is the way the Devil operates - any time the truth is uttered, shut it down. With recent hate crime legislation, I think the bibles will soon be outlawed.

      Recently I found that many Protestants like the Douay Rheims translation, even the hard core anti-Catholic Bible thumpers. I guess it blows their mind how the Church in apostasy can have such a good bible.

    Douay-Rheims Bible    Amos 8:11

    Behold the days come, saith the Lord, and I will send forth a famine into the land: not a famine of bread, nor a thirst of water, but of hearing the word of the Lord.

     Is that why the Pope sent 33 Rosaries to the Chile miners instead of one Bible ?


    If it is Satanic to ignore the original subject matter, then you are also at fault. I've seen you ignore many people's questions here.


    If it is Satanic to ignore the original subject of posts, then Classiccom is a devil!

    Classicom, your spelling mistake did not arouse rancor. It was just a noticeably telling mistake that you made more than once.

    Don't be such a baby. You dished it out to SS for what you perceived to be spelling mistake.

    You are the one who has an ongoing rancorous outlook, continually harrasing people here just because they are Roman Catholics.

    BTW,have you ever seen actually seen a Douay-Rheims bible in real life?

    What version does your Old Catholic sect rrecommend?




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    « Reply #167 on: September 06, 2010, 10:57:24 AM »
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    I don't feel Classiccom has responded to my questions about inferences that can be drawn from his post to which I replied and the post in which he replied to me.  Perhaps if I searched all of his posts I could find the answer.  But I've only been on here a few days.  I've read many interesting older posts, but it's information overload and time better spent reading other sources (such as the Bible, Saints' lives, etc.--no offense to this valuable forum) than to read all of the old posts.

    Thus, I would appreciate if Classicom would answer the following:

    1.  I can only see 2 possible meanings in your post regarding did our Lord tell us to pray to Mary.  a). Because our Lord did not tell us to do so, it is wrong that we do so; b).  Though our lord did not tell us to do so, it is right that we do so anyway, thus demonstrating that Catholicism is not sola Scriptura.  Please explain which of these you meant, or you meant something else that I'm missing about your position regarding prayer to the Blessed Virgin Mary.  If you meant b), I suppose you meant that some source other than Scripture supports some point you were trying to make.  If so, what specific source do point to and to support what point?

    2.  Please answer whether you believe the Apostolic chain is in peril of ceasing; and whether you believe it is possible or impossible for the Apostolic chain to cease.


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      I had exposure to Bayside NY so that turned me off to the whole rosary. FYI the Dimond bros. also were sucked into Bayside.  My experience has been that Rosary people are much more superstitious and much less logical.

      What good is the Apostolic chain when the last 10 links are probably in deep apostasy. If the Catholic clergy don't do their job, you are supposed to defend the true faith. Catholics today have abandoned  Christ's words in the Gospel and are content to just roll along with the great apostasy.

      Good news, I just found out that an Old Catholic Church is supposed to be opened in my area this year. Thanks for all the recent hard knocks that made me search for that information.

    http://www.holyredeemerocc.org/

      I just recently heard someone named CJ that gave a  testimony her spiritual journey. I was impressed that it sounded Catholic in many ways, but without the turmoil and mumbo jumbo.

    Nathan interviews - C. J. - a Sister in Christ
    who gives a testimony of her real conversion.
    She also saw Heaven and Hell !

    http://www.watchmanscry.com/audio/broadcast_156.mp3



    This post shows you are a CINO Catholic, Catholic In-Name only. Just like CM you reject nearly every teaching of the Catholic Church and make up your own. People who say The Rosary are more superstitious? I can prove that statement incredibly wrong since I do not practice any kind of superstition.




    He is not a Roman Catholic, even in name only.

    He is an Old Catholic. Old Catholics are heretics and schismatics.

    And yes, he is a blasphemer too.

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    « Reply #168 on: September 07, 2010, 05:47:28 PM »
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  •  Just found another reference:

    Study in American Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ
     By Arthur Preuss

    "Pope Pius IX was a Freemason... "

    http://books.google.com/books?id=kCflifoXePAC&pg=PA267&lpg=PA267&dq=Pope+Pius+IX+Mason&source=bl&ots=LzNSXhgckL&sig=6CtWJWYcRB-iGOp6vN9Ihx_1JIg&hl=en&ei=lLyGTKkDgZyWB669lboO&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CD0Q6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=Pope%20Pius%20IX%20Mason&f=false

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    Pius IX, a Mason, did not participate in the war against Freemasons and he lost ...

    http://catholic.cephasministry.com/p24.html




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    « Reply #169 on: September 08, 2010, 08:50:58 AM »
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  • Classicom, please give it a rest on the Pius IX:freemason junk. No one here believes a word of that nonsense. If you want to fool people into believing that, then you'd be better off posting that at CAF.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #170 on: September 08, 2010, 10:54:12 AM »
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  • He cant, it gives weight to his "church went to hell in hand basket in 1870" rhetoric....he dropped that, he loses a big wedge...
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    « Reply #171 on: September 12, 2010, 04:06:15 AM »
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    Classicom, please give it a rest on the Pius IX:freemason junk. No one here believes a word of that nonsense.


    He is only here to post his anti-Catholic rhetoric. He lives in unholy hope that he can get some Catholics to apostatize.


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    « Reply #172 on: September 21, 2010, 12:01:17 PM »
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  • http://traditio.com/comment/com1009.htm

    Benedict-Ratzinger Novus Ordo-Beatifies Cardinal Newman

    Ironically, Newman Did Not Believe that Papal Infallibility Was Opportunely Decreed

    From: The Fathers

    John Henry Newman

    John Henry Cardinal Newman, Later Cardinal Newman

    (1801-1890)
    Converted from Being an Anglican Minister to Catholicism
    Like Most Contemporary Bishops, Newman Rightly Predicted
    That the Doctrine of Papal Infallibility Was Inopportunely Decreed

    Vatican I Never Completed Its Work on the Full Definition of the Doctrine As the Council Was Hastily Adjourned in the Face of the Italian Revolutionaries

    On September 19, 2010, Benedict-Ratzinger Novus Ordo-beatified John Henry Cardinal Newman (1801-1890), a former Anglican minister. There was irony in this act. Newman was one of those called "Non-opportunists," who believed that it was not opportune at the Vatican I Council to issue a decree on papal infallibility. In that opinion, he was joined by a majority of the bishops at the council and even by Pope Pius IX. In fact, the issue was put on the council's agenda, not by the pope, but by the extremist French Ultramontanists, who wanted to make the pope into some kind of secular demigod, so that he could act on an equal plane with the national leaders of the 19th century.

    The decree, titled Pastor aeternus, did eventually pass, but only because most of the bishops did not want embarrass Pius IX after the decree had been put on the public agenda. Many bishops were opposed to issuing a decree simply absented themselves from the vote. Vatican I was never able to complete its work and put the decree into its proper context. The Italian revolutionaries invaded Rome and made the pope a "prisoner of the Vatican." The council was adjourned in a panic, having passed only one part of the decree.

    Newman, a brilliant intellect, knew that confusion would ensue because of the incomplete nature of the council's work, as it in fact did. No sooner had the decree passed than he was bombarded with the confusion it produced. Catholics and non-Catholics in England misunderstood that the pope was a demigod, whose every whim was an infallible act, just as the papolators of today believe. True, the council never decreed that, and in fact severely limited papal infallibility to matters of faith and morals, and only if the exercise of that infallibility expounded on no "new doctrine," but only what was already in the Deposit of Faith.

    The first cardinal of the United States, James Gibbons, who personally participated at the council, encountered confusion when he returned to his country from the council and was asked whether the pope was infallible in everything. "I don't think so," Cardinal Gibbons replied, "He called me Mister Jibbons!" To the contrary, Newman's proper understanding of the decree was confirmed by none other than Pope St. Pius X, who wrote that of all the cardinals, Newman had most correctly explicated the doctrine.

    Benedict-Ratzinger Hypocritically Ignores History on His British Junket He Sides with Those Who Murdered Bishop John Fisher and St. Thomas More

    From: The Fathers

    Newchurchers can accept Benedict-Ratzinger's British junket September 16-19, 2010, only if they are hypocrites. He prayed with Anglicans, under whose auspices hundreds of Catholics were tortured and killed in the reigns of Edward VI, Elizabeth I, and James I for refusing to do what Benedict-Ratzinger cravenly did. If Benedict-Ratzinger's actions were correct, then those martyrs died in vain. If the martyrs were correct, then Benedict-Ratzinger is a traitor to 450 years of Catholic recusant heroism and sainthood, including St. Thomas More and Bishop John Fisher.

    In the Newchurch of the New Order, servile "obedience" and subservience to hierarchical dictatorship continue to take precedence over the truth. This failing is at the root of Newchurch's Great Sex and Embezzlement h0Ɩ0cαųst as well. The cover-up depended upon the bureaucratic belief that one does not expose presbyters and Newbishops to negative publicity or prosecution. By personal signature of Ratzinger, notorious child-rape accomplices such as Newcardinals Roger Mahony, of Los Angeles, California, and Francis George, of Chicago, Illinois, are being allowed to serve their full term and then retire with all the prestige and riches of their office, instead of being sent to prison, where they belong.

    The pope also offered unqualified praise for the British establishment for its fight against the nαzιs. He failed to note that he himself was a nαzι sympathizer, first as a uniformed member of the nαzι Youth Corps and then in the Wehrmacht, the armed forces of nαzι Germany. He now pleads youth (although he wasn't all that young at sixteen) and necessity (although he joined up five months before the legal requirement), whereas many of his fellows in Regensberg were resisting the nαzιs and refusing to sign up. [Some information for this Commentary was contributed by the Revisionist Review.]


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    « Reply #173 on: September 21, 2010, 02:02:07 PM »
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  • Kyrie eleison

    I'm beginning to think the internet is Satan's most powerful weapon.

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    « Reply #174 on: September 21, 2010, 02:34:43 PM »
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  • Classicom, you are wasting your time bashing Vatican I. No one here is going to buy into this crock about Vatican I making errors.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #175 on: September 21, 2010, 08:11:53 PM »
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    Classicom, you are wasting your time bashing Vatican I. No one here is going to buy into this crock about Vatican I making errors.


    Indeed. I'm all ears to various conclusions about the fiasco of VII, but this is a bit much.

    The length of his papacy itself makes the suggestion that he was a mason absurd.


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    « Reply #176 on: September 21, 2010, 10:47:55 PM »
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  • quote from Tradio.com

    "To the contrary, Newman's proper understanding of the decree was confirmed by none other than Pope St. Pius X, who wrote that of all the cardinals, Newman had most correctly explicated the doctrine. "

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      At least this supports my pet theory that half Polish Pius X had the common sense to attempt to put the infallible Pius IX in proper perspective. He had a vision in 1909 that saw the sack of Rome but he never attributed that as a spiritual sack of Rome by Pius IX. The great Satanic trick - while everybody was watching the Church loose physical control of Rome nobody noticed that they lost the spiritual. That July 18 1870 date (Infallibility declaration) does coincide with the burning of Rome.

    64

    A great fire began that ultimately destroyed most of Rome. The emperor Nero blamed it on Christians and began the first Roman persecution of them.


    Read more: This Day in History: July 18 — Infoplease.com
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      Anyway, you people are sure a bunch of uppity ditch dwellers to be so critical of me. Trying to figure out the forensics of the present Catholic dilemma should not be a crime as you make it out to be.



     

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    « Reply #177 on: September 22, 2010, 09:58:18 AM »
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    "To the contrary, Newman's proper understanding of the decree was confirmed by none other than Pope St. Pius X, who wrote that of all the cardinals, Newman had most correctly explicated the doctrine. "

    ==============================

      At least this supports my pet theory that half Polish Pius X had the common sense to attempt to put the infallible Pius IX in proper perspective. He had a vision in 1909 that saw the sack of Rome but he never attributed that as a spiritual sack of Rome by Pius IX. The great Satanic trick - while everybody was watching the Church loose physical control of Rome nobody noticed that they lost the spiritual. That July 18 1870 date (Infallibility declaration) does coincide with the burning of Rome.

    64

    A great fire began that ultimately destroyed most of Rome. The emperor Nero blamed it on Christians and began the first Roman persecution of them.


    Read more: This Day in History: July 18 — Infoplease.com
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      Anyway, you people are sure a bunch of uppity ditch dwellers to be so critical of me. Trying to figure out the forensics of the present Catholic dilemma should not be a crime as you make it out to be.



     


    Your problem is that you go too far. You seem to think the Church was brought down by Pius IX. I don't know the reason for why you are so obssessed with him, but Vatican II is responsible for the near-destruction of the Church, not Pius IX. Maybe if you did some research you would see that is the case. Furthermore, if Our Lady of Fatima said that there would be a "diabolical dis-orientation" (remember she said this after the reign of Pius IX) which was a clear reference to Vatican II, then why the heck should we be pointing the finger at Pius IX? If you want to point a finger at any Pope, it should be John XXIII and/or Paul VI. What is a crime is that you constantly blaspheme the Catholic faith. You say you're trying to help the faith out but how is that even possible when in almost every post of yours you use the "Club Infallible" term?
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #178 on: September 22, 2010, 12:42:06 PM »
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  •   [/quote]

    Your problem is that you go too far. You seem to think the Church was brought down by Pius IX. I don't know the reason for why you are so obssessed with him, but Vatican II is responsible for the near-destruction of the Church, not Pius IX. Maybe if you did some research you would see that is the case. Furthermore, if Our Lady of Fatima said that there would be a "diabolical dis-orientation" (remember she said this after the reign of Pius IX) which was a clear reference to Vatican II, then why the heck should we be pointing the finger at Pius IX? If you want to point a finger at any Pope, it should be John XXIII and/or Paul VI. What is a crime is that you constantly blaspheme the Catholic faith. You say you're trying to help the faith out but how is that even possible when in almost every post of yours you use the "Club Infallible" term?[/quote]

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      Scriptures tell us that ST. Paul corrected St. Peter.  Since 1870, the illusion of the infallible papacy has removed the possibly of the Roman Catholic Church to correct any mistakes . This is the doctrine that wore out the saints and we no longer have room on this planet for a St. Paul correcting the pope.

      So like I said before, you like the ditch you are in , then there you will be , perhaps forever.

      Insanity is currently often described as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. At least I tried to come up with a path that is neither far left or far right and could possibly bring back the Protestants into the Faith. From your tone of correspondence, there is a kind of ugliness that even the liberal Novus Ordo can't match. The same garbage is the rule for politics. Two paths, both of which are designed for maximum destruction.

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    « Reply #179 on: September 22, 2010, 02:27:28 PM »
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  • I see ClassiFallible continues to slander and detract, apparently, free to do so......
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