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Offline jman123

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« on: February 18, 2016, 11:52:25 AM »
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  • http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_REL_POPE_ZIKA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
    ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE (AP) -- Pope Francis has suggested that women threatened with the Zika virus could use artificial contraception, saying there's a clear moral difference between aborting a fetus and preventing a pregnancy.

    Francis was asked Wednesday en route home from Mexico if abortion or birth control could be considered a "lesser evil," when confronting the Zika crisis in Brazil, where some babies have been born with abnormally small heads to Zika-infected mothers.

    The աօʀʟd ɦɛaʟtɦ օʀɢaռiʐatɨօռ has declared a global health emergency over the Zika virus and its suspected links to birth defects. The virus has been reported in at least 34 countries, many of them in Central and Latin America. WHO and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have advised pregnant women to consider delaying travel to Zika-infected countries.

    The explosion of Zika cases has prompted some governments in Latin America to urge women to avoid getting pregnant and has fueled calls from abortion rights groups to loosen the strict anti-abortion laws in the overwhelmingly Catholic region.

    But Francis excluded abortion absolutely from the debate.

    "Abortion isn't a lesser evil, it's a crime," he told reporters. "Taking one life to save another, that's what the Mafia does. It's a crime. It's an absolute evil."

    Francis, however, drew a parallel to the decision taken by Pope Paul VI in the 1960s to approve giving nuns in Belgian Congo artificial contraception to prevent pregnancies because they were being systematically raped.

    Abortion "is an evil in and of itself, but it is not a religious evil at its root, no? It's a human evil," he said. "On the other hand, avoiding pregnancy is not an absolute evil. In certain cases, as in this one (Zika), such as the one I mentioned of Blessed Paul VI, it was clear."

    Francis has tended to downplay the fraught moral hand-wringing over sɛҳuąƖ ethics that preoccupied his predecessors, John Paul II and Benedict XVI. He has said the church shouldn't be the "obsessed" with such issues.

    Coming home from Africa last year, Francis similarly dismissed a question about whether condoms could be used in the fight against AIDS. Francis said there were far more pressing issues in Africa, such as poverty and exploitation, to be concerned about and that only when those problems were resolved should questions about condoms and AIDS take center stage.

    Francis, history's first Latin American pope, did urge doctors to come up with a vaccine to prevent Zika from spreading. "This needs to be worked on," he said.

    Several of Latin America's conservative churchmen have reasserted the church's opposition to both abortion and artificial contraception as more reports of Zika cases and brain-damaged babies emerged.

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    « Reply #1 on: February 18, 2016, 12:22:28 PM »
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  • The jolly communist hippie Frank the Fraud has about as much of a problem keeping his nose where it belongs as Obama does:

    "Francis, history's first Latin American pope, did urge doctors to come up with a vaccine to prevent Zika from spreading. 'This needs to be worked on,' he said."

    Simply laughable that he's trying to "boss" the doctors into working up cures and meds.  Why doesn't he just tell them to cure cancer too while he's at it.

    And the analogy to the nun scenario, if it's even true, doesn't hold.  Nuns have no intent in engaging in the procreative act.  But I'm sure that point escaped the jolly mental midget.


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    « Reply #2 on: February 18, 2016, 05:38:23 PM »
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  • Here is a case of manifest heresy.  If pertinacity is established (he fails to recant after being called on it), then he is not the Catholic pope.

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    « Reply #3 on: February 18, 2016, 05:46:34 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Here is a case of manifest heresy.  If pertinacity is established (he fails to recant after being called on it), then he is not the Catholic pope.


    Finally Lad ...

    I often wondered what it would take to turn on the light bulb, not saying this about you, because you have been seeing the light all along.  Speaking of those who will still find excuses for him.  
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    « Reply #4 on: February 18, 2016, 05:54:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Here is a case of manifest heresy.  If pertinacity is established (he fails to recant after being called on it), then he is not the Catholic pope.


    They way you are describing it, it really would not be manifest until he was "called on it" and ignored it. But all the quotes NEVER include that as being a part of manifest heresy.

    Manifest heresy means the man promoted error against faith or morals that would be impossible for a true pope to do. That is to say, God would prevent a true pope from accidentally promoting error against faith or morals in the official organs of the Church. So, if the man does, then he is obviously not a true pope, otherwise God would have prevented him. Which entails that the man is either pertinacious, or that man was never really the true pope. Either way, we KNOW the situation means that man is not a true pope here and now after the fact of his manifesting the heresy.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 18, 2016, 07:52:41 PM »
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  • Quote from: MyrnaM
    Quote from: Ladislaus
    Here is a case of manifest heresy.  If pertinacity is established (he fails to recant after being called on it), then he is not the Catholic pope.


    Finally Lad ...

    I often wondered what it would take to turn on the light bulb, not saying this about you, because you have been seeing the light all along.  Speaking of those who will still find excuses for him.  


    You and Emerentiana put me on the path to opening my eyes a few years ago, Myrna.  My initial thought was that sedevacantism would mean that the gates of hell had prevailed.  You adamantly denied that's what it meant and set me on the path of further study.  Thank you for that.