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Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: stevusmagnus on April 12, 2011, 08:57:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NMWs5Ngz9o
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 12, 2011, 11:16:48 PM
Seen it- they'll do anything to make the traditional movement look bad... this guy's a freak.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 12, 2011, 11:21:28 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NMWs5Ngz9o


He's more Catholic than Benedict XVI.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 12, 2011, 11:34:04 PM
Quote from: Telesphorus
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NMWs5Ngz9o


He's more Catholic than Benedict XVI.


What! You are truly joking right?! You have this uncanny ability to make me puke.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 12, 2011, 11:39:34 PM
Well I guess its fitting that, in my mind at least you and he are the types of Trads who would give us a queer image.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 12, 2011, 11:40:52 PM
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Well I guess its fitting that, in my mind at least you and he are the types of Trads who would give us a queer image.


He's more Christian than you too.



Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 12, 2011, 11:42:27 PM
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Well I guess its fitting that, in my mind at least you and he are the types of Trads who would give us a queer image.


He's more Christian than you too.


please tell me you're a follower of his.... please. It will make everything oh so clear for me
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 12, 2011, 11:43:21 PM
By the way my first name is Richard if you're so intent of proving you know my personal information
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 12, 2011, 11:46:32 PM
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By the way my first name is Richard if you're so intent of proving you know my personal information


Mr. A, don't think I'm kidding.  You're a filthy slanderer who thinks he can get away with the most vicious lies.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 12, 2011, 11:47:41 PM
Wow- what a freak you truly are.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 12, 2011, 11:48:26 PM
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Wow- what a freak you truly are.


You need to apologize.  You see, some dirty cowardly people think they can say anything about anyone and not be held to it.  People like yourself.  Well, I hope you learn soon that that is not the case.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 12, 2011, 11:48:44 PM
But its good you call me Mr. A- you show respect to those in positions of superiority than you... boy.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 12, 2011, 11:50:01 PM
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But its good you call me Mr. A- you show respect to those in positions of superiority than you... boy.


Like I said.  You'll never say it to my face.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 12, 2011, 11:50:37 PM
To you and your teet offering mother
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 12, 2011, 11:51:47 PM
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To you and your teet offering mother


Like I said coward.  To my face.  Save it for when you're facing me.  
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 12, 2011, 11:53:13 PM
Tele- its too easy to call someone out in a forum- thats why you do it. C'mon man- your a douche-mustache having perverted predator-calumniator. No wonder you're not married- no one will take you- or no one will let you have their daughters.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 12, 2011, 11:54:15 PM
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Tele- its too easy to call someone out in a forum- thats why you do it. C'mon man- your a douche-mustache having perverted predator-calumniator. No wonder you're not married- no one will take you- or no one will let you have their daughters.


I am certain you will regret your vicious attitude, sooner or later.  Probably much sooner than you imagine.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 12, 2011, 11:54:25 PM
What kind of loser calls someone out... on the internet?! hahahahaha! Did your mommy tell you to do it to make you feel better? :baby:
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 12, 2011, 11:55:45 PM
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What kind of loser calls someone out... on the internet?! hahahahaha! Did your mommy tell you to do it to make you feel better? :baby:


What kind of spiteful coward calls someone a perverted predator who would beat a young woman and then doesn't think it's a big deal?

You see, you've made a mistake and its about time you'd owned up to it.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 12, 2011, 11:57:25 PM
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Tele- its too easy to call someone out in a forum- thats why you do it. C'mon man- your a douche-mustache having perverted predator-calumniator. No wonder you're not married- no one will take you- or no one will let you have their daughters.


I am certain you will regret your vicious attitude, sooner or later.  Probably much sooner than you imagine.


Okay- so the Loughner comparison wasn't unfounded right? Ha ha ha
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 12, 2011, 11:58:47 PM
Hey man with the threats you make- Now I take it back - you probably would be a woman... especially a young one. Who goes of threatening others on a forum? Only someone who would beat a young woman and sport a flamer mustache... you aren't ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ are you?
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 12, 2011, 11:59:05 PM
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Tele- its too easy to call someone out in a forum- thats why you do it. C'mon man- your a douche-mustache having perverted predator-calumniator. No wonder you're not married- no one will take you- or no one will let you have their daughters.


I am certain you will regret your vicious attitude, sooner or later.  Probably much sooner than you imagine.


Okay- so the Loughner comparison wasn't unfounded right? Ha ha ha


You're addicted to insults and slander.  But as I said, to my face you won't dare say it.  You'll apologize.  I'm certain of it.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 12, 2011, 11:59:45 PM
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Hey man with the threats you make- Now I take it back - you probably would be a woman... especially a young one. Who goes of threatening others on a forum? Only someone who would beat a young woman and sport a flamer mustache... you aren't ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ are you?


I think it's about time you were banned.  
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 13, 2011, 12:00:39 AM
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You're addicted to insults and slander.  But as I said, to my face you won't dare say it.  You'll apologize.  I'm certain of it.


Again- you are a freak- If i saw you on the streat I'd shave your mustache right off of you... you remind me of Lars and the Real Girl..
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 13, 2011, 12:01:28 AM
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I think it's about time you were banned.  

What you cant take it you freak?
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 13, 2011, 12:01:50 AM
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You're addicted to insults and slander.  But as I said, to my face you won't dare say it.  You'll apologize.  I'm certain of it.


Again- you are a freak- If i saw you on the streat I'd shave your mustache right off of you... you remind me of Lars and the Real Girl..


No, you certainly wouldn't.  Listen, I'm a charitable man.  You need to apologize.  Catholics don't act the way you do.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 13, 2011, 12:02:38 AM
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I think it's about time you were banned.  

What you cant take it you freak?


Do you think it's normal to call people ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs on a Catholic forum?

You don't belong here.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 13, 2011, 12:04:05 AM
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No, you certainly wouldn't.  Listen, I'm a charitable man.  You need to apologize.  Catholics don't act the way you do.


Listen up you used piece of toilet paper- I'll apologize as soon as you take back the slander you threw against the SSPX as a general cult, Puerto Ricans, and when you shave your silly pro-gαy mustache- Trust me- I live near LA- and they'd eat you up in West Hollywood- especially with that attitude of yours!
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 13, 2011, 12:05:48 AM
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No, you certainly wouldn't.  Listen, I'm a charitable man.  You need to apologize.  Catholics don't act the way you do.


Listen up you used piece of toilet paper- I'll apologize as soon as you take back the slander you threw against the SSPX as a general cult, Puerto Ricans, and when you shave your silly pro-gαy mustache- Trust me- I live near LA- and they'd eat you up in West Hollywood- especially with that attitude of yours!


Like I said, Catholics don't act the way you do.  It is a fact that the SSPX in many ways acts like a cult.  It's a fact that Puerto Ricans often have a twisted sense of honor.  And it's a fact that you're a coward and a vicious slanderer.

Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 13, 2011, 12:06:02 AM
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Do you think it's normal to call people ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs on a Catholic forum?

You don't belong here.


I asked a question which you lead me to believe may be a possibility in your case.

Do you think its normal to threaten people on a Catholic Forum?
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 13, 2011, 12:07:41 AM
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I asked a question which you lead me to believe may be a possibility in your case.


I'm not one.  You are calling me one.  Don't lie.  Just like you called me a wife beater and perverted predator.  You're garbage.

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Do you think its normal to threaten people on a Catholic Forum?


I haven't threatened you.  I've told you should apologize, and that you're too cowardly to insult me to my face.  Something I'm quite convinced of.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 13, 2011, 12:11:31 AM
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I asked a question which you lead me to believe may be a possibility in your case.


I'm not one.  You are calling me one.  Don't lie.  Just like you called me a wife beater and perverted predator.  You're garbage.

Whatever you gathered from a simple question is your own issue. And yes, objectively you could be seen as a wife beater- this is only of course ascertained from your own words and actions here; you pharisee.

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Do you think its normal to threaten people on a Catholic Forum?


I haven't threatened you.  I've told you should apologize, and that you're too cowardly to insult me to my face.  Something I'm quite convinced of.

 "But as I said, to my face you won't dare say it.  You'll apologize.  I'm certain of it."
"Mr. A, I am certain you will regret your vicious attitude, sooner or later.  Probably much sooner than you imagine. "

You cant even read your own lies you lying venomous scaliwag. Read them again you Pharisee.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 13, 2011, 12:13:50 AM
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Whatever you gathered from a simple question is your own issue. And yes, objectively you could be seen as a wife beater- this is only of course ascertained from your own words and actions here; you pharisee.


Objectively?  You don't know anything about me.

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"But as I said, to my face you won't dare say it.  You'll apologize.  I'm certain of it."


That's not a threat.  I'm just convinced that you're an abject coward.

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"I am certain you will regret your vicious attitude, sooner or later.  Probably much sooner than you imagine. "


I think you will regret it.  It's not a threat either.  

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You cant even read your own lies you lying venomous scaliwag. Read them again you Pharisee.


I haven't threatened you.   You've viciously slandered me.  Someday, you're going to have to explain yourself.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 13, 2011, 12:16:57 AM
Listen asswipe- I'm done reading your bs. you're a self-infatuated martyr who will stay up over night to have the last say. Well you can have it freak. I'm tired of reading your slanderous mentally unstable crap. Screw off. Consider yourself ignored.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 13, 2011, 12:17:32 AM
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Listen asswipe- I'm done reading your bs. you're a self-infatuated martyr who will stay up over night to have the last say. Well you can have it freak. I'm tired of reading your slanderous mentally unstable crap. Screw off. Consider yourself ignored.


Like I said.  You should apologize.  
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 13, 2011, 12:29:30 AM
If someone calls me a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, "objectively" someone who would beat a wife, someone like loughner, a perverted predator, then he should be called by his name.  Because he should be held accountable for what he's said to me.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 13, 2011, 12:41:40 AM
Let me just repeat - no decent Catholic would say all those things about someone.  The guy is a vicious slanderer.  The sort of person you often find in trad chapels.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Raoul76 on April 13, 2011, 12:52:31 AM
This s2srea should be banned for his own good.  He is wallowing in spite.

Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Jitpring on April 13, 2011, 01:00:27 AM
You've both temporarily lost your minds. I recommend stepping away for a breather.

"And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is placed among our members, which defileth the whole body, and inflameth the wheel of our nativity, being set on fire by hell. For every nature of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of the rest, is tamed, and hath been tamed, by the nature of man: But the tongue no man can tame, an unquiet evil, full of deadly poison. By it we bless God and the Father: and by it we curse men, who are made after the likeness of God. Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be."

James 3:6-10
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Raoul76 on April 13, 2011, 01:06:27 AM
Tele has lost control, not his mind.  Episodes like this pretty much show that there is truth to what he's saying about being slandered.  I fully side with him against this other guy, who is venomous. Tele is going too far defending himself, which is a different thing than aggressive nastiness.  

The distinction must be made -- there are some who have their backs driven against the wall, and others who do the driving.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 13, 2011, 08:11:54 AM
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Tele has lost control, not his mind.  Episodes like this pretty much show that there is truth to what he's saying about being slandered.  I fully side with him against this other guy, who is venomous. Tele is going too far defending himself, which is a different thing than aggressive nastiness.  

The distinction must be made -- there are some who have their backs driven against the wall, and others who do the driving.


You forgot that there are those who drive their own backs against the wall.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: gladius_veritatis on April 13, 2011, 08:21:15 AM
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Listen asswipe...Screw off.


What was that you were saying about Jesus, hard language, hell-fire, etc?  Didn't you use the word "disgusting"?

:reading:
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: sedetrad on April 13, 2011, 08:26:47 AM
s2srea seems like he needs a period of rest time to cool off.

Andy
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 13, 2011, 08:27:49 AM
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Listen asswipe...Screw off.


What was that you were saying about Jesus, hard language, hell-fire, etc?

:reading:

I was wrong in saying that, and I'm sorry for using that language. But when someone uses your last name and indirect threats in that you will apologize sooner than later it upsetting. I came on to this forum last night not trying to make any  contact with Tele.  It was he who, of all the forums who came on here and posted a comment not 5 minutes after my original post, with a comment which was indirectly counter my post. So who is it that is doing the aggravating and who is being the martyr? Anyways, I've since put him on ignore
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: MaterDominici on April 13, 2011, 11:13:20 AM
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Tele has lost control, not his mind.  Episodes like this pretty much show that there is truth to what he's saying about being slandered.  I fully side with him against this other guy, who is venomous. Tele is going too far defending himself, which is a different thing than aggressive nastiness.  

The distinction must be made -- there are some who have their backs driven against the wall, and others who do the driving.


I don't think either could be described as merely defending himself.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: MaterDominici on April 13, 2011, 11:18:37 AM
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Listen asswipe...Screw off.


What was that you were saying about Jesus, hard language, hell-fire, etc?

:reading:

I was wrong in saying that, and I'm sorry for using that language. But when someone uses your last name and indirect threats in that you will apologize sooner than later it upsetting. I came on to this forum last night not trying to make any  contact with Tele.  It was he who, of all the forums who came on here and posted a comment not 5 minutes after my original post, with a comment which was indirectly counter my post. So who is it that is doing the aggravating and who is being the martyr? Anyways, I've since put him on ignore


If you're aggravated by someone suggesting that Pope Michael is more Catholic than Pope Benedict, then you don't have thick enough skin for this forum. It was who said it which set you off and you should have put him on ignore back on page 1 of this thread.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Raoul76 on April 13, 2011, 11:21:31 AM
I see a difference between S2srea and Tele.  

Tele is kind of irritating since he is so fixated on virgins that he's not getting certain common-sense things, like why a father wouldn't approve of him for his daughter for other reasons than his age ( certain recent posts show an unexpected conceit in Tele ).

But he thinks he is being persecuted and believes he can prove it, so when he calls someone a liar or slanderer, he will then tell you what the alleged lies and slander are.  That's the difference.

S2srea, however, is acting like those Tele describes from his ex-church.  He makes up wild accusations, paints Tele as a freak, pervert, potential wife-beater, and possible ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ ( the first, apparently, to have a taste for young female virgins ) and then never apologizes.  

Of course, Tele goes too far with that whole "You're wicked, you're a Pharisee" routine, but that is his default mode whenever dealing with those who try to paint him his a pervert.  That's his sensitive spot and anyone should be able to see it, yet this guy and LM are needling him.  He was already kicked out of church for courting ( barely ) a young girl, allegedly painted as a pervert when, he is correct, it is natural to be attracted to young women.  Now here it is happening again.  

There's a difference between being incited to anger and doing the inciting.  That doesn't exonerate Tele completely, but I still take his side over those who treat him like he's some kind of molester.  
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: ServusSpiritusSancti on April 13, 2011, 11:25:38 AM
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Well I guess its fitting that, in my mind at least you and he are the types of Trads who would give us a queer image.


He's more Christian than you too.





Before you start labeling people as non-Christian, I think I should remind you of an un-Christian attitude you displayed on another certain thread when you called people "devils" and "wicked pharisees". Seriously Tele, act your own age.

And s2srea, the cussing is unnecessary. Both of you should act more mature and stop acting like children.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Raoul76 on April 13, 2011, 11:41:20 AM
Irony alert.  This thread began when Tele said that Pope Michael is more Catholic than Ratzinger ( which is beyond question ).  

Apparently it makes you a freak and pervert to like young girls, in S2srea's world, but the guy at the head of the world's biggest child molestation ring, the guy who does next to nothing to stop sɛҳuąƖ predators ( mostly ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predators ) in his so-called church, is A-OK... Don't say anything against him!

Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: ServusSpiritusSancti on April 13, 2011, 11:44:55 AM
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Irony alert.  This thread began when Tele said that Pope Michael is more Catholic than Ratzinger ( which is beyond question ).  

Apparently it makes you a freak and pervert to like young girls, in S2srea's world, but the guy at the head of the world's biggest child molestation ring, the guy who does next to nothing to stop sɛҳuąƖ predators ( mostly ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predators ) in his so-called church, is A-OK... Don't say anything against him!



I agree, but that's not what I was saying. I was saying that both Tele and s2srea should grow up.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Raoul76 on April 13, 2011, 12:35:56 PM
For the record, cultish situations are an across-the-board problem in traditionalism, due in my opinion to the relatively small size of these chapels.  The clique of women who have the ear of the priest, queen bees, a gang mentality, these things have been observed elsewhere than the SSPX  :smirk:

Tele is still SSPX at heart, I think.  He criticizes what happened at his chapel and attributes this to the SSPX, but doesn't seem to care about their theological position vis-a-vis the false Popes being wrong.  Of all the reasons to be against SSPX, I'm not sure feminism is one of them.

To me, if SSPX were a wine, I'd describe it as having top notes of Pharisaism ( we can't judge the Pope, must wait for a legal decision, etc. ) with a mid-palate of absurdity ( Ratzinger the lifelong Modernist is going to be the one to restore tradition! ) with a finish of Gallicanism ( who cares if there's a Pope as long as we have the Mass? )
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 13, 2011, 12:41:33 PM
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Irony alert.  This thread began when Tele said that Pope Michael is more Catholic than Ratzinger ( which is beyond question ).  

Apparently it makes you a freak and pervert to like young girls, in S2srea's world, but the guy at the head of the world's biggest child molestation ring, the guy who does next to nothing to stop sɛҳuąƖ predators ( mostly ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predators ) in his so-called church, is A-OK... Don't say anything against him!



Raoul- this is total distortion of the facts. I've never defended BXVI. But I also won't call a false pope pope.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Raoul76 on April 13, 2011, 12:42:26 PM
Then why do you call Benedict Pope?  
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 13, 2011, 12:44:04 PM
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Of all the reasons to be against SSPX, I'm not sure feminism is one of them.


You're thinking of Bishop Williamson's SSPX.  It's quite a bit different in Europe.  The leadership of the SSPX is a lot more liberal than it lets on.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Raoul76 on April 13, 2011, 12:45:18 PM
Also, the question wasn't about false Popes.  It was that Tele said Pope Michael was more Catholic than Benedict.  That enraged you.  

Yet even if you think that Pope Michael is a false Pope ( duh ) and Benedict is a true one, you still consider Benedict a Modernist, you take issue with what he does sometimes.

Yet Pope Michael is not a Modernist, he is an orthodox Catholic who wackily believes he is Pope.  That makes him more Catholic than Ratzinger even from the SSPX perspective.  So why get enraged?  

I will say, I don't remember who started what, but I guess if Tele was calling you wicked and trash that might have set you off.  I don't remember if you were treating him as a pervert from the beginning, like LM was.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 13, 2011, 12:45:26 PM
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Then why do you call Benedict Pope?  


I do believe I said "BXVI". Are you pointing to another thread?
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Raoul76 on April 13, 2011, 12:51:55 PM
Telesphorus said:
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You're thinking of Bishop Williamson's SSPX.  It's quite a bit different in Europe.  The leadership of the SSPX is a lot more liberal than it lets on.


I feel the Williamson / Fellay battle royale is a Hegelian distraction, like Republicans vs. Democrats.  

The SSPX is wrong fundamentally.  Whatever happened to Jєωs in World War II is not a point of dogma.  Bishop Williamson represents a more conservative wing within an organization that is in league with the hijacked, ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic Vatican, that's all.  

I think the key is to get over any hatred that might be lurking in your heart for Jєωs, and you will see this clearly.  I have been there, rage blinds you.

Bp. Williamson is sort of like the spiritual equivalent of Ron Paul.  Ron Paul may be more conservative than other politicians, but he's still playing the ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic game, isn't he?  He is part of an entire system that is corrupt.    ( I just remembered that, during my one visit to the SSPX, the priest had a Ron Paul bumper sticker, very fitting! )
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Raoul76 on April 13, 2011, 12:54:13 PM
S2srea said:
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Raoul76 said:
Then why do you call Benedict Pope?  


I do believe I said "BXVI". Are you pointing to another thread?



Semantic games and a slippery approach, what a shock from a staunch defender of SSPX...
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 13, 2011, 12:55:19 PM
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Also, the question wasn't about false Popes.  It was that Tele said Pope Michael was more Catholic than Benedict.  That enraged you.  

Sorry- you do not understand what "enraged" me. More like bothered. What bothered me wasn't that he said that. But it was that I came onto this forum with the intent of staying away from him, and immediately after posting on this thread, he came along and posted something which was obviously contrary to my opinion. So I'm sorry Raoul, I know you seem to be buddy's with him, but the fact is is that he came on this thread and no other looking for a way to kick up some dust.

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Yet even if you think that Pope Michael is a false Pope ( duh ) and Benedict is a true one, you still consider Benedict a Modernist, you take issue with what he does sometimes.

No. I never said Benedit is a true one. You're putting words in my mouth. I was disagreeing that Pope Michael is more of a pope or catholic than BXVI. Just because someone claims to be traditionalist, doesn't make them more Catholic - especially when they make a claim to the papacy.

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Yet Pope Michael is not a Modernist, he is an orthodox Catholic who wackily believes he is Pope.  That makes him more Catholic than Ratzinger even from the SSPX perspective.  So why get enraged?  

It seems you're taking a very serious issue and making it a "wackily" wacky issue. Sorry, I wont jump on board with that. You can recognize him as pope if you like though.


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I will say, I don't remember who started what, but I guess if Tele was calling you wicked and trash that might have set you off.  I don't remember if you were treating him as a pervert from the beginning, like LM was.


I'd made very clear on the other thread that him liking young women was his preference, and my differing opinion was just that, an opinion.

You seem very intent on taking his side, when I believe its obvious he'd been slandering the SSPX as a whole and their priests etc. As I've said before, I don't even attend the SSPX anymore. I've explained elsewhere that I've had some unfortunate experiences with some of their priests as well. BUT- I've also met some of the holiest priests who are members of the society. I'm not gonna go out and calumniate against each and every one of their ideas. And I won't sit idly by when someone does it either. My approach has been off, yes. But you still seem more intent on defending him than anything, and the best thing I can attribute it to is either my tenure on this forum or you're buddys, which is of course fine.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 13, 2011, 12:56:47 PM
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You're thinking of Bishop Williamson's SSPX.  It's quite a bit different in Europe.  The leadership of the SSPX is a lot more liberal than it lets on.


I feel the Williamson / Fellay battle royale is a Hegelian distraction, like Republicans vs. Democrats.  

The SSPX is wrong fundamentally.  Whatever happened to Jєωs in World War II is not a point of dogma.  Bishop Williamson represents a more conservative wing within an organization that is in league with the hijacked, ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic Vatican.  

He is sort of like the spiritual equivalent of Ron Paul.  Ron Paul may be more conservative than other politicians, but he's still playing the ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic game, isn't he?  He is part of an entire system that is corrupt.    ( I just remembered that, during my one visit to the SSPX, the priest had a Ron Paul bumper sticker, very fitting! )


The point Raoul is that Bishop Williamson has an idealistic and and more authentically traditional concept of the role of women in the family, whereas the liberal wing of the SSPX has a fundamentally suburban/bourgeois conception of it.  
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: s2srea on April 13, 2011, 12:57:08 PM
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Then why do you call Benedict Pope?  


I do believe I said "BXVI". Are you pointing to another thread?



Semantic games and a slippery approach, what a shock from a staunch defender of SSPX...


Really? Semantics huh? Thats pretty funny... Read your above post...
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 13, 2011, 01:05:03 PM
As Ethelred pointed out, there were no priestly vocations from Germany, Austria, or Switzerland at Zaizkofen last year.

The liberal attitudes in those areas become so deeply ingrained and habitual, and so difficult to resist because of state imposed conformity, that it becomes second nature even to SSPX Catholics.

Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: stevusmagnus on April 13, 2011, 02:05:26 PM
Can you two invent new ways to insult each other on PM?

I thought there were 7 pages discussing the docuмentary and instead there are 7 pages continuing an argument from a locked thread!
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: ServusSpiritusSancti on April 13, 2011, 02:27:13 PM
I agree that even though "Pope Michael" is a Traditionalist (or claims to be one) he's a fraud because he isn't even an ordainded priest, or at least he wasn't the last time I checked. If Benedict were an anti-pope, it would not be because of in-valid election. There are two things that can make an anti-pope:

1.- If he was not validly elected (the 30-something popes that were declared anti-popes by the Church were declared as such for this very reason).

2.- If he is a heretic/non-Catholic.

In any case, the claim that Michael is more of a Pope than Benedict is absurd. Apparently, even if Benedict is an anti-pope he'd still be a validly ordained priest. Michael does not fit this category as he hasn't been ordained (and even if he was, lay-people can't elect a Pope).
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 13, 2011, 02:28:30 PM
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In any case, the claim that Michael is more of a Pope than Benedict is absurd.


No one ever claimed that.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: ServusSpiritusSancti on April 13, 2011, 02:30:45 PM
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In any case, the claim that Michael is more of a Pope than Benedict is absurd.


No one ever claimed that.


I'm just talking about those that do. I don't think we have any of them on this forum, though.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Zenith on April 13, 2011, 05:25:55 PM
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Can you two invent new ways to insult each other on PM?

I thought there were 7 pages discussing the docuмentary and instead there are 7 pages continuing an argument from a locked thread!


What is there to discuss about the docuмentary? It is sadly amusing and pathetic and you are simply using it as a tool to brand all Traditionalists as nut cases.

I know your caper.  :whistleblower:
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: ColdFusion on April 13, 2011, 05:59:08 PM
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I see a difference between S2srea and Tele.  

Tele is kind of irritating since he is so fixated on virgins that he's not getting certain common-sense things, like why a father wouldn't approve of him for his daughter for other reasons than his age ( certain recent posts show an unexpected conceit in Tele ).

But he thinks he is being persecuted and believes he can prove it, so when he calls someone a liar or slanderer, he will then tell you what the alleged lies and slander are.  That's the difference.

S2srea, however, is acting like those Tele describes from his ex-church.  He makes up wild accusations, paints Tele as a freak, pervert, potential wife-beater, and possible ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ ( the first, apparently, to have a taste for young female virgins ) and then never apologizes.  

Of course, Tele goes too far with that whole "You're wicked, you're a Pharisee" routine, but that is his default mode whenever dealing with those who try to paint him his a pervert.  That's his sensitive spot and anyone should be able to see it, yet this guy and LM are needling him.  He was already kicked out of church for courting ( barely ) a young girl, allegedly painted as a pervert when, he is correct, it is natural to be attracted to young women.  Now here it is happening again.  

There's a difference between being incited to anger and doing the inciting.  That doesn't exonerate Tele completely, but I still take his side over those who treat him like he's some kind of molester.  


You are very sympathetic to Telesphorus' sensitive feelings, as have I, which is why I reserved comment.  Now perhaps you and others who felt some comments uncalled for would put yourselves in the shoes of those of us with teenaged daughters (who need shielding from undesired attention), attend SSPX services, and have lineage from "south of the border."  
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Telesphorus on April 13, 2011, 06:21:18 PM
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You are very sympathetic to Telesphorus' sensitive feelings, as have I, which is why I reserved comment.  Now perhaps you and others who felt some comments uncalled for would put yourselves in the shoes of those of us with teenaged daughters (who need shielding from undesired attention), attend SSPX services, and have lineage from "south of the border."  


It's laudable to wish to protect one's daughter, but I'm quite convinced someone who was unscrupulous would not be in my position.  Be sure not to act in such a way as to defeat your own purpose, by inadvertently rewarding one with evil intentions by punishing someone with good intentions.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: ColdFusion on April 13, 2011, 06:40:05 PM
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I'm quite convinced someone who was unscrupulous would not be in my position.  


I agree.

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Be sure not to act in such a way as to defeat your own purpose, by inadvertently rewarding one with evil intentions by punishing someone with good intentions


I urge you to do the same.  You have received some sound advice -- please re-read it without the assumption of malice for your own benefit.  It is very apparent that you are well capable of reason, but situations regarding families (particularly in-laws, or future in-laws) are seldom resolved by being factually, technically correct.
Title: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary
Post by: Raoul76 on April 13, 2011, 07:26:26 PM
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You are very sympathetic to Telesphorus' sensitive feelings, as have I, which is why I reserved comment.  Now perhaps you and others who felt some comments uncalled for would put yourselves in the shoes of those of us with teenaged daughters (who need shielding from undesired attention), attend SSPX services, and have lineage from "south of the border."


I'm part-Spanish myself so I fall under the condemnation of "macho." Apparently we transmitted it to you, along with Catholicism  :laugh1:

Each person in this predicament has a different motive.  It's sort of a witches' brew.  The father just didn't approve of Telesphorus as a suitor, and that is his prerogative.  He doesn't even have to have a good reason.  But to send people to tail Tele is wrong.

The girl MAY have been leading Tele on.  That doesn't mean she didn't like him, it means that she may not have really been thinking about marriage.  Tele is extrapolating badly here from a very slender flirtation.

The priest shouldn't have gotten involved at all.  Tele is not a predator who is going to stalk the girl.

And then there is the flock at SSPX, who allegedly put their oar in and portrayed Tele as a pervert.  Did it really happen?  I have no reason to believe he's lying; I have heard of cult mechanics happening frequently in trad chapels; and I have seen some of that unreasoning hatred directed at Tele here.

Tele is a sincere guy, that counts for a lot with me.  There's nothing about him that seems sneaky or underhanded or manipulative, unlike many, many people in the traditional movement, unfortunately.   I know others who strike me as the "cream of the crop," just open-hearted and straightforward people, who seem to be persecuted for no reason, Eamon on this site for one, as well as a friend of mine from "real life," and now Tele, who has always been sympathetic to me.  

It's no coincidence.  The devil is trying to drive those that can hurt him out of traditionalism.  If trad chapels are filled with sophists and Pharisees and cult-type people and high-school-like bullies, not many will want to go.