Author Topic: Pope Michael Video Docuмentary (Read 6152 times)

MaterDominici · « **Reply #45 on:** April 13, 2011, 11:18:37 AM »

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Listen asswipe...Screw off.

What was that you were saying about Jesus, hard language, hell-fire, etc?

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I was wrong in saying that, and I'm sorry for using that language. But when someone uses your last name and indirect threats in that you will apologize sooner than later it upsetting. I came on to this forum last night not trying to make any contact with Tele. It was he who, of all the forums who came on here and posted a comment not 5 minutes after my original post, with a comment which was indirectly counter my post. So who is it that is doing the aggravating and who is being the martyr? Anyways, I've since put him on ignore

If you're aggravated by someone suggesting that Pope Michael is more Catholic than Pope Benedict, then you don't have thick enough skin for this forum. It was who said it which set you off and you should have put him on ignore back on page 1 of this thread.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #46 on:** April 13, 2011, 11:21:31 AM »

I see a difference between S2srea and Tele.

Tele is kind of irritating since he is so fixated on virgins that he's not getting certain common-sense things, like why a father wouldn't approve of him for his daughter for other reasons than his age ( certain recent posts show an unexpected conceit in Tele ).

But he thinks he is being persecuted and believes he can prove it, so when he calls someone a liar or slanderer, he will then tell you what the alleged lies and slander are. That's the difference.

S2srea, however, is acting like those Tele describes from his ex-church. He makes up wild accusations, paints Tele as a freak, pervert, potential wife-beater, and possible ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ ( the first, apparently, to have a taste for young female virgins ) and then never apologizes.

Of course, Tele goes too far with that whole "You're wicked, you're a Pharisee" routine, but that is his default mode whenever dealing with those who try to paint him his a pervert. That's his sensitive spot and anyone should be able to see it, yet this guy and LM are needling him. He was already kicked out of church for courting ( barely ) a young girl, allegedly painted as a pervert when, he is correct, it is natural to be attracted to young women. Now here it is happening again.

There's a difference between being incited to anger and doing the inciting. That doesn't exonerate Tele completely, but I still take his side over those who treat him like he's some kind of molester.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #47 on:** April 13, 2011, 11:25:38 AM »

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Well I guess its fitting that, in my mind at least you and he are the types of Trads who would give us a queer image.

He's more Christian than you too.

Before you start labeling people as non-Christian, I think I should remind you of an un-Christian attitude you displayed on another certain thread when you called people "devils" and "wicked pharisees". Seriously Tele, act your own age.

And s2srea, the cussing is unnecessary. Both of you should act more mature and stop acting like children.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #48 on:** April 13, 2011, 11:41:20 AM »

Irony alert. This thread began when Tele said that Pope Michael is more Catholic than Ratzinger ( which is beyond question ).

Apparently it makes you a freak and pervert to like young girls, in S2srea's world, but the guy at the head of the world's biggest child molestation ring, the guy who does next to nothing to stop sɛҳuąƖ predators ( mostly ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predators ) in his so-called church, is A-OK... Don't say anything against him!

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #49 on:** April 13, 2011, 11:44:55 AM »

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Irony alert. This thread began when Tele said that Pope Michael is more Catholic than Ratzinger ( which is beyond question ).

Apparently it makes you a freak and pervert to like young girls, in S2srea's world, but the guy at the head of the world's biggest child molestation ring, the guy who does next to nothing to stop sɛҳuąƖ predators ( mostly ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predators ) in his so-called church, is A-OK... Don't say anything against him!

I agree, but that's not what I was saying. I was saying that both Tele and s2srea should grow up.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #50 on:** April 13, 2011, 12:35:56 PM »

For the record, cultish situations are an across-the-board problem in traditionalism, due in my opinion to the relatively small size of these chapels. The clique of women who have the ear of the priest, queen bees, a gang mentality, these things have been observed elsewhere than the SSPX

Tele is still SSPX at heart, I think. He criticizes what happened at his chapel and attributes this to the SSPX, but doesn't seem to care about their theological position vis-a-vis the false Popes being wrong. Of all the reasons to be against SSPX, I'm not sure feminism is one of them.

To me, if SSPX were a wine, I'd describe it as having top notes of Pharisaism ( we can't judge the Pope, must wait for a legal decision, etc. ) with a mid-palate of absurdity ( Ratzinger the lifelong Modernist is going to be the one to restore tradition! ) with a finish of Gallicanism ( who cares if there's a Pope as long as we have the Mass? )

s2srea · « **Reply #51 on:** April 13, 2011, 12:41:33 PM »

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Irony alert. This thread began when Tele said that Pope Michael is more Catholic than Ratzinger ( which is beyond question ).

Apparently it makes you a freak and pervert to like young girls, in S2srea's world, but the guy at the head of the world's biggest child molestation ring, the guy who does next to nothing to stop sɛҳuąƖ predators ( mostly ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predators ) in his so-called church, is A-OK... Don't say anything against him!

Raoul- this is total distortion of the facts. I've never defended BXVI. But I also won't call a false pope pope.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #52 on:** April 13, 2011, 12:42:26 PM »

Then why do you call Benedict Pope?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #53 on:** April 13, 2011, 12:44:04 PM »

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Of all the reasons to be against SSPX, I'm not sure feminism is one of them.

You're thinking of Bishop Williamson's SSPX. It's quite a bit different in Europe. The leadership of the SSPX is a lot more liberal than it lets on.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #54 on:** April 13, 2011, 12:45:18 PM »

Also, the question wasn't about false Popes. It was that Tele said Pope Michael was more Catholic than Benedict. That enraged you.

Yet even if you think that Pope Michael is a false Pope ( duh ) and Benedict is a true one, you still consider Benedict a Modernist, you take issue with what he does sometimes.

Yet Pope Michael is not a Modernist, he is an orthodox Catholic who wackily believes he is Pope. That makes him more Catholic than Ratzinger even from the SSPX perspective. So why get enraged?

I will say, I don't remember who started what, but I guess if Tele was calling you wicked and trash that might have set you off. I don't remember if you were treating him as a pervert from the beginning, like LM was.

s2srea · « **Reply #55 on:** April 13, 2011, 12:45:26 PM »

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Then why do you call Benedict Pope?

I do believe I said "BXVI". Are you pointing to another thread?

Raoul76 · « **Reply #56 on:** April 13, 2011, 12:51:55 PM »

Telesphorus said:

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You're thinking of Bishop Williamson's SSPX. It's quite a bit different in Europe. The leadership of the SSPX is a lot more liberal than it lets on.

I feel the Williamson / Fellay battle royale is a Hegelian distraction, like Republicans vs. Democrats.

The SSPX is wrong fundamentally. Whatever happened to Jєωs in World War II is not a point of dogma. Bishop Williamson represents a more conservative wing within an organization that is in league with the hijacked, ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic Vatican, that's all.

I think the key is to get over any hatred that might be lurking in your heart for Jєωs, and you will see this clearly. I have been there, rage blinds you.

Bp. Williamson is sort of like the spiritual equivalent of Ron Paul. Ron Paul may be more conservative than other politicians, but he's still playing the ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic game, isn't he? He is part of an entire system that is corrupt. ( I just remembered that, during my one visit to the SSPX, the priest had a Ron Paul bumper sticker, very fitting! )

Raoul76 · « **Reply #57 on:** April 13, 2011, 12:54:13 PM »

S2srea said:

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Raoul76 said:
Then why do you call Benedict Pope?

I do believe I said "BXVI". Are you pointing to another thread?

Semantic games and a slippery approach, what a shock from a staunch defender of SSPX...

s2srea · « **Reply #58 on:** April 13, 2011, 12:55:19 PM »

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Also, the question wasn't about false Popes. It was that Tele said Pope Michael was more Catholic than Benedict. That enraged you.

Sorry- you do not understand what "enraged" me. More like bothered. What bothered me wasn't that he said that. But it was that I came onto this forum with the intent of staying away from him, and immediately after posting on this thread, he came along and posted something which was obviously contrary to my opinion. So I'm sorry Raoul, I know you seem to be buddy's with him, but the fact is is that he came on this thread and no other looking for a way to kick up some dust.

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Yet even if you think that Pope Michael is a false Pope ( duh ) and Benedict is a true one, you still consider Benedict a Modernist, you take issue with what he does sometimes.

No. I never said Benedit is a true one. You're putting words in my mouth. I was disagreeing that Pope Michael is more of a pope or catholic than BXVI. Just because someone claims to be traditionalist, doesn't make them more Catholic - especially when they make a claim to the papacy.

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Yet Pope Michael is not a Modernist, he is an orthodox Catholic who wackily believes he is Pope. That makes him more Catholic than Ratzinger even from the SSPX perspective. So why get enraged?

It seems you're taking a very serious issue and making it a "wackily" wacky issue. Sorry, I wont jump on board with that. You can recognize him as pope if you like though.

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I will say, I don't remember who started what, but I guess if Tele was calling you wicked and trash that might have set you off. I don't remember if you were treating him as a pervert from the beginning, like LM was.

I'd made very clear on the other thread that him liking young women was his preference, and my differing opinion was just that, an opinion.

You seem very intent on taking his side, when I believe its obvious he'd been slandering the SSPX as a whole and their priests etc. As I've said before, I don't even attend the SSPX anymore. I've explained elsewhere that I've had some unfortunate experiences with some of their priests as well. BUT- I've also met some of the holiest priests who are members of the society. I'm not gonna go out and calumniate against each and every one of their ideas. And I won't sit idly by when someone does it either. My approach has been off, yes. But you still seem more intent on defending him than anything, and the best thing I can attribute it to is either my tenure on this forum or you're buddys, which is of course fine.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #59 on:** April 13, 2011, 12:56:47 PM »

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Telesphorus said:
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You're thinking of Bishop Williamson's SSPX. It's quite a bit different in Europe. The leadership of the SSPX is a lot more liberal than it lets on.

I feel the Williamson / Fellay battle royale is a Hegelian distraction, like Republicans vs. Democrats.

The SSPX is wrong fundamentally. Whatever happened to Jєωs in World War II is not a point of dogma. Bishop Williamson represents a more conservative wing within an organization that is in league with the hijacked, ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic Vatican.

He is sort of like the spiritual equivalent of Ron Paul. Ron Paul may be more conservative than other politicians, but he's still playing the ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic game, isn't he? He is part of an entire system that is corrupt. ( I just remembered that, during my one visit to the SSPX, the priest had a Ron Paul bumper sticker, very fitting! )

The point Raoul is that Bishop Williamson has an idealistic and and more authentically traditional concept of the role of women in the family, whereas the liberal wing of the SSPX has a fundamentally suburban/bourgeois conception of it.