Author Topic: Pope John XXIIIs body was found facing downwards? (Read 6260 times)

LoverOfTradition · « **on:** November 13, 2013, 11:35:57 PM »

Are any of you familiar with Pope John XXIII's body being found facing downwards when he was exhumed?

I found a few links that mention it and was just wondering what that could mean if true. Seems eerie, with the Canonization coming up...

Here's one:

http://www.mindserpent.com/American_History/introduction/footnotes/ft_john23.html

"At the exhuming of the body of John XXIII relating to the advancement of his cause for Beatification, the group of witnesses present were shocked to find that the body in the coffin was facing downward."

Thoughts?

OHCA · « **Reply #1 on:** November 13, 2013, 11:55:03 PM »

He just wanted to see where he was going.

Mabel · « **Reply #2 on:** November 14, 2013, 12:03:58 AM »

Quote from: OHCA

He just wanted to see where he was going.

This made me laugh.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** November 14, 2013, 04:05:25 AM »

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Good one, OHCA.

I heard it from an SSPX seminarian at the time that the body was
found to be facing downward. It immediately reminded me of when
someone who has a lot of dedication to his work in life dies, and
then people left running the show make a mess of it, they say,

. "He's gotta be turning over in his grave about now."

Remember, they also said that he had cried out on his deathbed,

. "STOP THE COUNCIL! STOP THE COUNCIL!"

Maybe he meant to cry, "Stomp the Council." You know, like he
was calling out for Our Lady's help, with her heel?

.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #4 on:** November 14, 2013, 08:12:18 AM »

From what I understand that's a Masonic thing ... not unlike John Paul II's trapezoidal coffin.

icterus · « **Reply #5 on:** November 14, 2013, 03:50:17 PM »

Wait, I'm confused...some Trads say being buried face down is Jєωιѕн...and some say it's Satanic..and some say it's Masonic. Can we please get our cօռspιʀαcιҽs straight here?

Also, the same confusion exists over the coffin. It is variously vampiric, Satanic, Jєωιѕн, and Masonic. We really need a council or something to determine what form of insanity is Trad orthodoxy here, lest some of the little ones be confused...

Ladislaus · « **Reply #6 on:** November 15, 2013, 08:02:09 AM »

Masonic, Jєωιѕн, Satanic ... all tied together. Major overlap there. Judaeo-Masonic ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.

TKGS · « **Reply #7 on:** November 15, 2013, 08:16:52 AM »

Quote from: icterus

Wait, I'm confused...some Trads say being buried face down is Jєωιѕн...and some say it's Satanic..and some say it's Masonic. Can we please get our cօռspιʀαcιҽs straight here?

What, exactly, is the difference? It's not the cօռspιʀαcιҽs that need to be straightened out, it's your understanding of all the ways the Evil One is using to deceive even the elect.

In any event, I'd never heard this before and have no idea whether it is true or not that Roncalli was found face down in his grave. I'm not going to use such a rumor in any of my arguments about the damage he wrought on the Church.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #8 on:** November 15, 2013, 08:50:18 AM »

Quote from: LoverOfTradition

Are any of you familiar with Pope John XXIII's body being found facing downwards when he was exhumed?

I found a few links that mention it and was just wondering what that could mean if true. Seems eerie, with the Canonization coming up...

Here's one:

http://www.mindserpent.com/American_History/introduction/footnotes/ft_john23.html

"At the exhuming of the body of John XXIII relating to the advancement of his cause for Beatification, the group of witnesses present were shocked to find that the body in the coffin was facing downward."

Thoughts?

There are ways of getting this all wrong.
When such a body is found facing downwards, that doesn't mean it had to have been buried that way. And the situation is 'strange' when it was buried facing up and when later exhumed, found facing down.

icterus · « **Reply #9 on:** November 15, 2013, 12:34:37 PM »

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Masonic, Jєωιѕн, Satanic ... all tied together. Major overlap there. Judaeo-Masonic ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.

That's just breathtakingly stupid.

And so I start the exit from the land of the tinfoil hat brigade! Thanks for the laughs while we all watched FE go gαy.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #10 on:** November 15, 2013, 12:43:49 PM »

Quote from: icterus

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Masonic, Jєωιѕн, Satanic ... all tied together. Major overlap there. Judaeo-Masonic ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.

That's just breathtakingly stupid.

And so I start the exit from the land of the tinfoil hat brigade! Thanks for the laughs while we all watched FE go gαy.

You are breahtakingly ignorant, sir.

If you've ever studied Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, you'd see how it's absolutely STEEPED in Old Testament Jєωιѕн imagery (from their symbols, code words, etc.). Jєωs founded Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. And it's St. Paul who called Jєωs who rejected Christ a synagoguge of Satan.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #11 on:** November 16, 2013, 05:47:19 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: icterus
Quote
Masonic, Jєωιѕн, Satanic ... all tied together. Major overlap there. Judaeo-Masonic ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.

That's just breathtakingly stupid.

And so I start the exit from the land of the tinfoil hat brigade! Thanks for the laughs while we all watched FE go gαy.

You are breathtakingly ignorant, sir.

If you've ever studied Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, you'd see how it's absolutely STEEPED in Old Testament Jєωιѕн imagery (from their symbols, code words, etc.). Jєωs founded Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. And it's St. Paul who called Jєωs who rejected Christ a synagoguge of Satan.

Some people just do not want to know.

And then others use that pretense as an act, to appear that they just
don't want to know, when they actually DO know, and have taken up the
side of opposition to the truth.. They then defend their lies blatantly and
with impunity. For their feigned allegiance to ignorance is their shield, and
that way, they would become a 'victim' of reasonable justice.

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Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #12 on:** November 16, 2013, 08:47:48 PM »

Quote from: icterus

Quote
Masonic, Jєωιѕн, Satanic ... all tied together. Major overlap there. Judaeo-Masonic ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.

That's just breathtakingly stupid.

And so I start the exit from the land of the tinfoil hat brigade! Thanks for the laughs while we all watched FE go gαy.

The question you want to be asking is "How did John XXIII's body end up face down in the coffin?" It's unlikely with all the people around for the burial of a pope that someone responsible for interring him would have done it.

As for the overlap, when it comes to opposing the Catholic Church, all enemies band together. Of course. post-Vatican II they don't really have to worry about the Church any longer because the counterfeit church is also tagging along with the Catholic Church's enemies saying "Guys, let me help you. Please, I want to follow you!"

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 17, 2013, 12:13:05 AM »

Not only John XXIII was found upside down in his coffin, his body and
burial vestments should have turned to fine dust.
John XXIII was the first Pope to have his body embalmed.
I bet that his body was discovered as fine dust and the body in the
glass display coffin is just a wax figure.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 17, 2013, 08:21:58 AM »

I remember back in the 1970's, I attended a Funeral of a much beloved,
and respected Mayor of the city I was living in. It was a masonic
funeral. After the funeral when everyone left the chapel. I stayed in the very back and watched The masons with their aprons and masonic regalia surrounded the coffin and turned the body upside down before the coffin was sealed.