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Offline JuanDiego

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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2014, 03:05:59 PM »
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  • The Prophets and Our Times
    By Rev. R. Gerald Culleton
    Copywrite 1941

    Page 207
    172a. Catherine Emmerich (d. 1824)
       “I wish the time were here when the Pope dressed in red will reign. I see the Apostles, not those of the past, but the apostles of the last times, and it seems to me, the Pope is among them.”
       “I was likewise told, if I remember right, that he (Satan) will be unchained for a time fifty or sixty years before the year of Christ 2000.”

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    « Reply #16 on: October 23, 2014, 03:12:26 PM »
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  • * Melanie Calvat was one of the two seers of La Salette

    The following extract is taken from the book “The Secret of Melanie and the Actual Crisis” by Abbot Combe, 1906:

    The Church will be eclipsed. At first, we will not know which is the true pope. Then secondly, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass will cease to be offered in churches and houses; it will be such that, for a time, there will not be public services any more. But I see that the Holy Sacrifice has not really ceased: it will be offered in barns, in alcoves, in caves, and underground.”


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    « Reply #17 on: October 23, 2014, 03:36:01 PM »
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    Pope Benedict XVI's abdication has all the outward appearances of having been made under duress, and plenty of rumors to that effect as well. Why should I not accept Sedebenediceplenism?



    I thought Benedict XVI came out and denied that he was forced to resign?

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    « Reply #18 on: October 23, 2014, 03:37:52 PM »
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    If Cardinal Siri was actually elected Pope and was forced to not accept under duress, which is usually said to be his family would be murdered, if that is true that means he was willing to sacrifice ALL OF HUMANITY FOR HIS FAMILY!


    Although the "Hierarchy in Exile" theory would make much more sense than the default simplistic sedevacantist position of "there is no pope", this is a good point. Why would the Cardinal remain in silence for all his life, as if he did not trust the protection of the Holy Ghost or would be willing to sacrifice earthly matters for the will of God and why would God allows this to happen?

    It seems that people are quick to forget that the Church is still guided by Divine Assistance under the protection of the Holy Ghost.


    Of course--sedevacantism is the craziest thing ever to be thought by man.  Nothing can possibly be as reasonable as saying "these are my popes.  But they're heretics so they get little - no respect/obedience from me.


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    « Reply #19 on: October 23, 2014, 03:55:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: JuanDiego
    * Melanie Calvat was one of the two seers of La Salette

    The following extract is taken from the book “The Secret of Melanie and the Actual Crisis” by Abbot Combe, 1906:

    The Church will be eclipsed. At first, we will not know which is the true pope. Then secondly, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass will cease to be offered in churches and houses; it will be such that, for a time, there will not be public services any more. But I see that the Holy Sacrifice has not really ceased: it will be offered in barns, in alcoves, in caves, and underground.”


    Hi. You have some good posts. As I understand (and I may very well be wrong) this specific text from Abbot Combe, “The Secret of Melanie and the Actual Crisis”, 1906 is on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum (Index of Forbidden books). I am researching this ... I love the message (secret) of Our Lady of La Salette, as does the True Pope of the Catholic Church, Gregory XVIII.

    May Our Lady Reward You!


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    « Reply #20 on: October 23, 2014, 05:41:34 PM »
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    Although the "Hierarchy in Exile" theory would make much more sense than the default simplistic sedevacantist position of "there is no pope", this is a good point. Why would the Cardinal remain in silence for all his life, as if he did not trust the protection of the Holy Ghost or would be willing to sacrifice earthly matters for the will of God and why would God allows this to happen?

    It seems that people are quick to forget that the Church is still guided by Divine Assistance under the protection of the Holy Ghost.


    I believe it is a bit rash to judge Cardinal Siri so strongly.  We don't know what he went through, and if he "kept silence for all his life", but we know the men who held him were 'satan worshipers' and he being the Supreme Pontiff, you can bet satan made sure he suffered greatly. There are several comments he made about Vat2, and the anti-popes that show he was incensed against them.   I think we must remember the will of God - it obviously was God's will he do the best he could to stay alive, and not do anything rash because he still had to set up the plan to continue the papacy which he did just before they killed him.




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    « Reply #21 on: October 23, 2014, 05:47:09 PM »
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  • Yves DuPont, author of the book “Catholic Prophecy” and many other works on prophecy, wrote in 1970:

        “Some prophecies seem to warrant the inference that the true Catholic Church will disappear completely for a while as an organization; but although disorganized, it will survive in the persons of the faithful members of the clergy and laity who will go underground.”

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    « Reply #22 on: October 23, 2014, 06:31:47 PM »
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  • I saw this video of Bishop Williams on YouTube, where he says “Cardinal Siri was good. He may well have been elected Pope in 1958 and or 1963… I think he was elected in one of them. Yes, that seems very possible.”




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    « Reply #23 on: October 23, 2014, 06:49:46 PM »
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  • Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich (early 1800's)

    Our Lady reveals that there will be a false church of darkness, while the true Church continues to exist. This false church will be an ecuмenical church. It will unite all the ecclesial (church) communities and sects together. And there will be a false pope and a true pope reigning at the same time, just as there was during the Great Western Schism in the 14th Century.

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    « Reply #24 on: October 23, 2014, 09:58:23 PM »
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    Pope Benedict XVI's abdication has all the outward appearances of having been made under duress, and plenty of rumors to that effect as well. Why should I not accept Sedebenediceplenism?



    I thought Benedict XVI came out and denied that he was forced to resign?


    That he did.

    But if the Sockpuppet Chorus can claim that persistent "duress" caused Cardinal Siri to publicly disclaim his papacy for 31 years and to offer a Mass he believed to be sacrilegious for nearly 20 years, then what's to stop a Sedebenediceplenist from claiming that duress impelled Benedict to invalidly renounce the papacy and likewise that, under duress, he publicly lied about being under duress?

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    « Reply #25 on: October 24, 2014, 04:14:34 AM »
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    Pope Benedict XVI's abdication has all the outward appearances of having been made under duress, and plenty of rumors to that effect as well. Why should I not accept Sedebenediceplenism?



    I thought Benedict XVI came out and denied that he was forced to resign?


    That he did.

    But if the Sockpuppet Chorus can claim that persistent "duress" caused Cardinal Siri to publicly disclaim his papacy for 31 years and to offer a Mass he believed to be sacrilegious for nearly 20 years, then what's to stop a Sedebenediceplenist from claiming that duress impelled Benedict to invalidly renounce the papacy and likewise that, under duress, he publicly lied about being under duress?


    Oh, I'm not questioning your line of thinking here to be sure.  

    I was just questioning whether Benedict had in fact denied the rumors.


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    « Reply #26 on: October 24, 2014, 04:54:33 AM »
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  • There would be no Siri Thesis if PPVI was a good pope.

    IMO, the thesis is an invention motivated from need and initiated by desperation in a vain attempt to explain how or why conciliar popes are not popes.

    Unless he was held prisoner by the Cardinals, the Siri Thesis is one conspiracy theory that's just too far out and way too far reaching to be considered true.  


         
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #27 on: October 24, 2014, 05:40:39 AM »
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    If Cardinal Siri was actually elected Pope and was forced to not accept under duress, which is usually said to be his family would be murdered, if that is true that means he was willing to sacrifice ALL OF HUMANITY FOR HIS FAMILY!


    Although the "Hierarchy in Exile" theory would make much more sense than the default simplistic sedevacantist position of "there is no pope", this is a good point. Why would the Cardinal remain in silence for all his life, as if he did not trust the protection of the Holy Ghost or would be willing to sacrifice earthly matters for the will of God and why would God allows this to happen?


    Human frailty?  That doesn't mean he wasn't canonically elected the pope?

    As I've been trying to explain, despite Hobson's propaganda, what happened was probably a fair bit more subtle.

    Sir was elected, took the name Gregory XVII.  He was immediately approached by the Cardinals who had just elected him, led by the "Dean" Freemason Tisserant.  Tisserant informed him of the threats and felt that he should step down.  Confronted by what he perceived to be a "change of heart / mind" by the Cardinals who had just elected him, Cardinal Siri said something along the lines of "If you don't want me, elect someone else."  He probably didn't really want to be Pope, certainly not if it mean the nuking of the Vatican or murder of bishops behind the iron curtain.  There are different accounts regarding the nature of this threat.  In his own mind, subjectively, Cardinal Siri may have FELT that he was resigning of his own free will (for the good of the Church); objectively viewed, however, it was clearly under duress.  Cardinal Siri may have assumed that the Holy Spirit would simply chose whoever He really wanted to run the Church.  As things unfolded, and Cardinal Siri witnessed the ravages of Vatican II, I can only imagine that his conscience was tortured; he may very well be the Pope of whom Our Lady revealed to Sister Lucy that he would have much to suffer.  Towards the end of his life, he may very well have recognized that he was the true pope.  There is no evidence, however, that he did anything to carry on the true Papal succession.  Could he have?  Sure.  I would love it if that were the case.  But Hobson refuses to provide evidence.

    So the case of Cardinal Siri isn't all black and white.

    Yet if there's this putative Gregory XVIII, he indeed would be the greatest criminal traitor against the faith who's ever occupied the Holy See.  He's lurked in the shadows for 23 years, allowing MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of souls to perish when he, according to Hobson, has slam-dunk evidence of being the Pope.

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    « Reply #28 on: October 24, 2014, 05:42:29 AM »
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    I saw this video of Bishop Williams on YouTube, where he says “Cardinal Siri was good. He may well have been elected Pope in 1958 and or 1963… I think he was elected in one of them. Yes, that seems very possible.”




    Of course it's very "possible".  You'd have to be grinding some R&R ax to think otherwise, and this comes from an R&Rer in Bishop Williamson.

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    « Reply #29 on: October 24, 2014, 05:44:33 AM »
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    Prophecy of Pius X

    "I see the Russians at Genoa." - Pope St. Pius X Vision

    Giuseppe Sarto's (Pius X) Prophetic Visions of Giuseppe Siri (Gregory XVII)

    In 1909, during an audience for the general chapter of the Franciscan Order, Pope Pius X suddenly fell into a trance. The audience waited in reverent silence. When he awoke, the Pope cried out:

    "What I see is terrifying! Will it be myself? Will it be my successor? What is certain is that the Pope will quit Rome, and in leaving the Vatican he will have to walk over the dead bodies of his priests.

    Just prior to his death (August 20, 1914), Pope Pius X had another vision:

    "I have seen one of my successors, of the same name (Giuseppe), who was fleeing over the bodies of his brethren. He will take refuge in some hiding place; but after a brief respite he will die a cruel death."

    The same Pope also foretold war for the year 1914, and during his death agony (in 1914), he said:

    "I see the [1.] Russians at Genoa."

    [1.] "... Russians at Genoa" Reference to the Bolshevika masonic captors of Pope Gregory XVII - who guarded the hostage pope's every move in Genoa (Italy), where His Holiness was exiled.


    Yes, these prophecies actually line up VERY WELL with the Siri thesis, except for the "brief respite" part.

    Yet, again, ZERO proof for the existence of a Gregory XVIII.  I'm becoming more convinced that Gregory XVIII is just made up.