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Pope gives audience to those in a state of mortal sin
« on: June 27, 2022, 05:28:17 AM »
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    “Bergoglio greets transgenders in a public audience
    Pope Bergoglio conbtinues to break his own records: On June 22, 2022, he greeted a group of six transgender "women" in a public audience at St. Peter's Square. 

    Above, you see the man who took on the name of Allesia Nobile shaking hands with the Pope. He wrote a book, The Invisible Girl – La Bambina Invisibible – and delivered it to Bergoglio when received for that individual greeting, first row below.  

    The transgender explained to Fanpage what happened during the audience: "We met with a sister and a priest at the Vatican who are part of the National TRANSition Group of LGBT+ Christians – a project of La Tenda di Gionata. The Pope received each one of us and I was the first. To give him my book was a dream come true." 

    He continued: "He [the Pope] did not want me to kneel, he held my hand and when I presented myself as a transgender girl he responded that he did not care who I was, that we all have one Father, as if he wanted to tell me, 'you are my sister.'" 

    When the transgender gave the book to Francis, "he [the Pope] took it and told me, 'Brave girl, you did well writing your story.' Then, he recommended that I always be myself and not to let myself be impressed by prejudices of the Church. ... I felt myself welcomed, taken by the hand and embraced." 

    Below second row, the six transgenders show their permits to enter the VIP area of the public audience in order to personally greet the Pope. 

    The meeting was organized by Sister Genevier, who proposed the encounter to the Pope, explaining to him that it was not only one person who wanted to meet him but six from different countries. He responded: "Bring them all." 

    What can we say to characterize this new barrier broken by Bergoglio? We see him blessing the sins against nature – ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and the abomination of transgenderism – as if they were normal activities. How can we not think of the "man of sin" described by St. Paul (2 Thes 2) when addressing the Great Apostasy? 


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    Re: Pope gives audience to those in a state of mortal sin
    « Reply #1 on: June 27, 2022, 05:37:17 AM »
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  • Choir with obscene T-shirts performs for the Pope
    On June 8, 2022, Pope Francis gave VIP treatment to a Italian choir wearing T-shirts with the words "F??? Cancer Choir." The group of about 30 persons was seated not far from to the Pope's chair on St. Peter's Square, above; below first and second rows.

    The choir was then invited to perform for him, third to the fifth rows. After listening to their songs, a laughing Francis told them: "You are good, you are poets, thank you."

    With this gesture Bergoglio approved by the way of facts – in his typical Jesuitic style – foul language not only as a normal way of expressing oneself but also in special solemn circuмstances, as is a public audience with the Pope.

    It is another severe wound against public morality and good customs inflicted by the one who should be, instead, the guardian of the highest morals inherited from Our Lord Jesus Christ.

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    Re: Pope gives audience to those in a state of mortal sin
    « Reply #2 on: June 27, 2022, 05:42:18 AM »
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  • Pope Francis receives Juan CArlos Cruz
     Pope names ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ to Vatican commission
    On March 24, 2021, Pope Francis appointed known Chilean ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Juan Carlos Cruz to the Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors. 

    Cruz became vocal in 2011, giving many interviews on the sɛҳuąƖ abuse he suffered when a child from Fr. Fernando Karadima

    Later, he publicly stated that he was a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and became an activist for the LGBT agenda. In April 2018 he was received by Francis, above, who told him: "Juan Carlos, the fact that you are gαy does not matter. God made you like that and he loves you like that and I do not care. The Pope loves you as you are; you have to be happy as you are. (Here and here

    Francis' initiative has been considered an indirect answer to the March 15, 2021 Response by the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith to a Dubium regarding the blessing of the unions of persons in same sex unions. The Response said that “God cannot bless sin.” 

    So, we see that Bergoglio does not lose any opportunity to favor the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ agenda. Further, if some Vatican authority steps up to oppose that agenda, he immediately counter-attacks to be sure that the sodomites will have the upper hand in the discussion. 

    It is unnecessary to say that pro-homo priests like Fr. James Martin, below, was very pleased with Pope Bergoglio's choice of Cruz.
    Fr. James Martin on Juan Carlos Cruz

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    Re: Pope gives audience to those in a state of mortal sin
    « Reply #3 on: June 27, 2022, 05:48:50 AM »
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  • Blanco sings for the Pope
    The star of the Italian song Blanco, alias Riccardo Fabbriconi, was invited by the Italian Conference of Bishop to sing for the Pope during his encounter with the Italian youth, which brought together 80,000 people according to the press. The meeting was celebrated on Easter Monday, on April 18, 2022. 

    The invitation raised a controversy since Blanco's morality is quite opposed to Catholic Doctrine. He has no problem appearing in ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ poses, kissing lovers or showing his head between a male legs, as shown on this page. He sometimes also appears in loving poses with young woman, which would seem to characterize him as a bi-sɛҳuąƖ. 

    Despite the opposition, the Italian Bishops held to the schedule, affirming that he was a good model for the Italian youth. 


    Pope Francis endorsed this decision with his presence and listening to the star sing Blu celeste

    It is another significant denial of Catholic Morals made by a Pope who should represent Our Lord Jesus Christ, and not the free-love customs of our pagan times. It brings to mind the dire prophecies of Our Lady of La Salette who said that Rome would become the seat of the Antichrist. “
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    Re: Pope gives audience to those in a state of mortal sin
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    Buddhist monks received at the Vatican
    On June 17, 2022, Pope Bergoglio received a delegation of 33 Buddhist monks plus 60 lay men and women from Thailand. The encounter took place at the Clementine Hall in the Apostolic Palace, above. 

    The meeting was to commemorate the 50th anniversary of Paul V's historic meeting with the Supreme Buddhist priest of Thailand on June 5, 1972. 

    In his address, Francis affirmed that "Buddha and Jesus understood the need to overcome the egoism that generates conflicts and violence." He continued: "It is our duty to lead our respective followers to a living sense that we are all brothers and sisters." 

    With these words, Francis continues the unceasing conciliar policy of denying the unicity of our Holy Faith and supporting the statement that all religions lead to eternal salvation. In other words, it is a confirmation of the great apostasy from the Catholic Faith and the affirmation of the heresy of universal salvation. 

    Below first and second rows, two photos of the meetings on this past June 17. Third row, Thai Buddhist Authority who met with Paul VI in 1972; fourth row, John Paul II receiving Japanese Buddhists at St. Peter's Square on April 28, 2004; fifth row, Benedict XVI on June 21, 2006;  last row, Francis visiting Thai Supreme Buddhist authority in Bangkok on November 21, 2019. 
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    Re: Pope gives audience to those in a state of mortal sin
    « Reply #5 on: June 27, 2022, 05:53:03 AM »
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    Bergoglio receives award from the B'nai B'rith
    In the photo above, we see the CEO of B'nai B'rith International Daniel S. Mariaschin giving Pope Bergoglio a gold chalice with Jєωιѕн inscriptions and symbols. This was a symbolic award to thank Francis for his constant support for this Jєωιѕн Masonic organization. 

    This took place during a meeting in the Papal Library when Francis received a delegation of 27 members of that organization on May 30, 2022. 

    Commenting on the encounter, Mariachin told the Jerusalem Post“From his years as Cardinal in Buenos Aires until today, Pope Francis has expressed a special interest in furthering Jєωιѕн-Catholic relations." He continued, “Our audience with him gave us an opportunity to demonstrate our appreciation for this support, to confirm our shared aspirations for peace and mutual respect." 

    In a formal speech, the president of the Jєωιѕн organization Seth Riklin asked for papal support for the Abraham Accords, which is a Jєωιѕн initiative to make Arabs recognize the State of Israel. This was an implicit request for the Holy See to exercise its influence over the Middle East Arab countries to accept Israel. This is what B'nai B'rith calls its work for fraternity and peace. 

    In his speech, Francis praised B'nai B'rith for its “tireless commitment to humanitarian causes.” He added: “If the duty to care for others is incuмbent upon every member of our human family, it applies even more to those of us who are Jєωs and Christians.” 

    We see that, after Vatican II and its Nostra aetateDeclaration, the conciliar Popes have set aside any doctrinal discussion with the Jєωs about the divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ and are conducting a policy based on a supposed love and common collaboration to solve social problems. On the other hand, the Jєωs did not change one comma of their false beliefs. 

    What could be the final end of this policy 
    except a Judaization of the entire Church? 



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    Re: Pope gives audience to those in a state of mortal sin
    « Reply #6 on: June 27, 2022, 05:59:55 AM »
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    Re: Pope gives audience to those in a state of mortal sin
    « Reply #7 on: June 27, 2022, 07:26:54 AM »
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  • As I mentioned before, please stop talking about "mortal sin" ... as opposed to grave sin.  You really need to get off this "mortal sin" stuff.

    Secondly, there's no issues with a pope giving an audience to people in grave sin ... as Our Lord Himself was criticized by the Pharisees and even at times by His own Apostles for meeting with sinners.

    What's at issue here is the impression that he gives of condoning the grave sin of transgenderism.  One could meet with them to convert them, or meet with them to condone their behavior, and the issue is that he's doing the latter rather than the former, but simply meeting with those in grave sin is no problem.  On the other hand, meeting approvingly with those who actively promote grave sin, without rebuking the sin, that's the scandal here.


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    Re: Pope gives audience to those in a state of mortal sin
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  • He continued: "He [the Pope] did not want me to kneel, he held my hand and when I presented myself as a transgender girl he responded that he did not care who I was, that we all have one Father, as if he wanted to tell me, 'you are my sister.'"

    When the transgender gave the book to Francis, "he [the Pope] took it and told me, 'Brave girl, you did well writing your story.' Then, he recommended that I always be myself and not to let myself be impressed by prejudices of the Church. ... I felt myself welcomed, taken by the hand and embraced."

    So, here's another case (as in all the stuff reported by Scalfari) where the heretical mindset of Begoglio is being reported second-hand.  Behind closed doors, with Scalfari, and here with the so-called transgenders, Bergolgio makes abominable statements, referring to "prejudices of the Church".  As you point out, in PUBLIC, Bergoglio will make some statements affirming Catholic doctrine (to keep up appearances), but then secretly denounces those same teachings, referring to them here as "prejudices".  In doing it this way, Bergoglio can keep a distance from his undermining of Catholic teaching, so his apologists could respond (well, this is what this person said, and it could be misunderstanding or misinterpretation of what Bergoglio actually said).  And yet there's never any denial coming out of the Vatican.  Scalfari reported clear-cut heresy from Bergoglio, and if he had mis-reported it, the Vatican was under obligation to immediately deny the allegations.  But no such denial ever came.  So by their silence, we can hold Bergoglio guilty as charged regarding what Scalfari reported.  On top of it, Bergoglio CONTINUED to keep giving interviews to Scalfari after some of the explosive allegations were made.  One would think that if Scalfari were distorting Bergoglio's beliefs, Bergoglio would at least stop giving him interviews.

    First Scalfari said that Bergoglio denied the existence of a hell that lasts forever.  Then, after this, they gave him ANOTHER interview, after which he said that Beroglio told him that he didn't believe that Jesus is God.  That would be outright apostasy.

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    Re: Pope gives audience to those in a state of mortal sin
    « Reply #9 on: June 27, 2022, 07:55:50 AM »
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  • So, here's another case (as in all the stuff reported by Scalfari) where the heretical mindset of Begoglio is being reported second-hand.  Behind closed doors, with Scalfari, and here with the so-called transgenders, Bergolgio makes abominable statements, referring to "prejudices of the Church".  As you point out, in PUBLIC, Bergoglio will make some statements affirming Catholic doctrine (to keep up appearances), but then secretly denounces those same teachings, referring to them here as "prejudices".  In doing it this way, Bergoglio can keep a distance from his undermining of Catholic teaching, so his apologists could respond (well, this is what this person said, and it could be misunderstanding or misinterpretation of what Bergoglio actually said).  And yet there's never any denial coming out of the Vatican.  Scalfari reported clear-cut heresy from Bergoglio, and if he had mis-reported it, the Vatican was under obligation to immediately deny the allegations.  But no such denial ever came.  So by their silence, we can hold Bergoglio guilty as charged regarding what Scalfari reported.  On top of it, Bergoglio CONTINUED to keep giving interviews to Scalfari after some of the explosive allegations were made.  One would think that if Scalfari were distorting Bergoglio's beliefs, Bergoglio would at least stop giving him interviews.

    First Scalfari said that Bergoglio denied the existence of a hell that lasts forever.  Then, after this, they gave him ANOTHER interview, after which he said that Beroglio told him that he didn't believe that Jesus is God.  That would be outright apostasy.
    Exactly right.

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    Re: Pope gives audience to those in a state of mortal sin
    « Reply #10 on: June 27, 2022, 08:22:44 AM »
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  • My guess is that Scalfari was accurately reporting what Bergoglio said.  Bergoglio wanted that stuff out there, since he likes to cause chaos, but then if he's called out in it, he can just pretend that Scalfari mist-reported it.


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    Re: Pope gives audience to those in a state of mortal sin
    « Reply #11 on: June 27, 2022, 08:37:58 AM »
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  • As I mentioned before, please stop talking about "mortal sin" ... as opposed to grave sin.  You really need to get off this "mortal sin" stuff.

    Secondly, there's no issues with a pope giving an audience to people in grave sin ... as Our Lord Himself was criticized by the Pharisees and even at times by His own Apostles for meeting with sinners.

    What's at issue here is the impression that he gives of condoning the grave sin of transgenderism.  One could meet with them to convert them, or meet with them to condone their behavior, and the issue is that he's doing the latter rather than the former, but simply meeting with those in grave sin is no problem.  On the other hand, meeting approvingly with those who actively promote grave sin, without rebuking the sin, that's the scandal here.

    Got to ask here... are you affirming that mortal sin takes place when you have grave matter, sufficient reflection, and full consent of the will? 

    I normally use the circuмlocution "matter that is mortally sinful in itself, given the other two conditions" instead of "grave sin", and that is how I convey it to my son in homeschool religion class.  (He came out of six years of diocesan "Catholic" school not knowing the difference between mortal and venial sin, no surprises there.)

    I know this doesn't describe you --- I am thankful for our good discussions both public and private --- but ever since the 1970s, I've picked up on this "grave sin" and "serious sin" business, as though some would like to be able to speak of an "intermediate state" of "grave sin" between venial sin and mortal sin, to allow for someone being able to commit (and, more often, to persist in without repentance and firm purpose of amendment) gravely sinful activity, yet somehow not be alienated from Almighty God and not be worthy of eternal damnation.  I have in mind here "pelvic issues" such as contraception, masturbation, cohabitation without benefit of marriage (which would include living in a non-Josephite invalid "marriage"), and even ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activity.  People who do any of these things are not normally warned in Newchurch that they must abstain from holy communion.

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    Re: Pope gives audience to those in a state of mortal sin
    « Reply #12 on: June 27, 2022, 08:47:02 AM »
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  • Got to ask here... are you affirming that mortal sin takes place when you have grave matter, sufficient reflection, and full consent of the will? 

    I normally use the circuмlocution "matter that is mortally sinful in itself, given the other two conditions" instead of "grave sin", and that is how I convey it to my son in homeschool religion class.  (He came out of six years of diocesan "Catholic" school not knowing the difference between mortal and venial sin, no surprises there.)

    I know this doesn't describe you --- I am thankful for our good discussions both public and private --- but ever since the 1970s, I've picked up on this "grave sin" and "serious sin" business, as though some would like to be able to speak of an "intermediate state" of "grave sin" between venial sin and mortal sin, to allow for someone being able to commit (and, more often, to persist in without repentance and firm purpose of amendment) gravely sinful activity, yet somehow not be alienated from Almighty God and not be worthy of eternal damnation.  I have in mind here "pelvic issues" such as contraception, masturbation, cohabitation without benefit of marriage (which would include living in a non-Josephite invalid "marriage"), and even ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activity.  People who do any of these things are not normally warned in Newchurch that they must abstain from holy communion.

    This is what the Catholic Encyclopedia says about "grave sin":
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    Other sins admit lightness of matter: they are grave sins (ex genere suo) in as much as their matter in itself is sufficient to constitute a grave sin without the addition of any other matter, but is of such a nature that in a given case, owing to its smallness, the sin may be venial, e.g. theft.

    Sounds like yet another definition of sin rife for abuse by heretics, as you suspect.

    And here's what St. Alphonsus has on the matter of "grave sin" from Grant's translation of Moral Theology:
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    When on Thursday, 24 August 1690, in the General Congregation of the Holy Roman and Universal Inquisition the two following propositions were brought into examination, namely:
    1. Objective goodness consists in the agreement of an object with rational nature; but formal goodness consists in the conformity of an act with the rule of morals. For this it is sufficient that the moral act tend toward its ultimate end interpretatively. Man is not obliged to love this end, neither in the beginning nor in the course of his moral life. 

    2. Philosophic or moral sin is a human act not in conformity with rational nature and right reason; but theological and mortal sin is a free transgression of the divine law. A philosophic sin, however grave, in a man who either is ignorant of God or does not think about God during the act, is a grave sin, but is not an offense against God, neither a mortal sin dissolving the friendship of God, nor one worthy of eternal punishment.

     The Supreme Pontiff declared the first proposition to be heretical; the second as rash, scandalous, etc.
    I can see why the 2nd is considered scandalous, as it opens the discussion to abuses by those who would like to eliminate the culpability of all mortal sins as "grave sins" unworthy of eternal punihsmemt.punishment. 
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Pope gives audience to those in a state of mortal sin
    « Reply #13 on: June 27, 2022, 12:33:32 PM »
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  • You don't necessarily have to "think about God" in order to commit mortal sin, as per the condemned proposition.  Nevertheless, the mortality of a sin is a matter for the internal forum since it does have the component of sufficient reflection and intent.  There's way too much facile slinging around of the term "mortal sin" ... even for things that are not sinful by the natural law.  This is regularly done by the Dimond Brothers and then also by their opponents, as mutual accusations of mortal sin fly.  We saw where the Dimonds were accused of the "mortal sin of calumny," whereas in their reasoning (even if faulty), they were convinced that what they were doing was justified.  There are many people out there committing grave sin who have perhaps been told by their NO Confessor (or heard it, as here, from Bergoglio) that they're perfectly OK the way they are (remaining in this grave sin).

    Nor is it wrong for a Pope to meet with people in grave (or even mortal) sin.  What's wrong is the impression he gives of condoning the sin ... and especially where Bergoglio reportedly denounced the Church's teaching against trangenderism as "prejudice".

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    Re: Pope gives audience to those in a state of mortal sin
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  • "Pope gives audience to those in a state of mortal sin"
    VCR, how do you know they are in a state of mortal sin?