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Offline 2Vermont

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Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
« Reply #105 on: May 28, 2018, 06:58:39 AM »
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  • Scalfari’s fifth meeting with Pope Francis, it is not the first time he has misrepresented the Pope’s words following a private audience.
    In November 2013, following intense controversy over quotes the journalist had attributed to Francis, Scalfari admitted that at least some of the words he had published a month prior “were not shared by the Pope himself.”

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/vatican-dont-trust-report-that-pope-francis-denied-reality-of-hell-53450
    So...
    (1)  this has nothing to do with what Francis said about the topic at hand (God making people gαy).
    (2)  in 2013, Scalfari admits that "some of the words" were not what Francis said regarding Hell.  All that means is that they were not exact quotes.  In the mean time, Francis never denied Scalfari's report regarding his beliefs about Hell.
    (3)  Considering Scalfari supposedly "misrepresents" Francis, Francis goes back to him over and over again.  Perhaps he's not so far off base after all, huh?

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #106 on: May 28, 2018, 10:56:42 PM »
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  • So...
    (1)  this has nothing to do with what Francis said about the topic at hand (God making people gαy).
    (2)  in 2013, Scalfari admits that "some of the words" were not what Francis said regarding Hell.  All that means is that they were not exact quotes.  In the mean time, Francis never denied Scalfari's report regarding his beliefs about Hell.
    (3)  Considering Scalfari supposedly "misrepresents" Francis, Francis goes back to him over and over again.  Perhaps he's not so far off base after all, huh?
    If this journalist admits that what he said was not what Pope Francis actually said tehn why believe anything else that he says? This would not be the first time that a journalist lied about what somebody else said. something untrue about what somebody said. You only believe the worse because you have bad will against Pope Francis.  


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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #107 on: May 29, 2018, 04:25:46 AM »
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  • If this journalist admits that what he said was not what Pope Francis actually said tehn why believe anything else that he says? This would not be the first time that a journalist lied about what somebody else said. something untrue about what somebody said. You only believe the worse because you have bad will against Pope Francis.  
    So I'll ask you again, why does your "Pope" Francis continue to do interviews with this supposed "liar"? 

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #108 on: May 29, 2018, 08:30:20 AM »
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  • Scalfari’s fifth meeting with Pope Francis, it is not the first time he has misrepresented the Pope’s words following a private audience.
    In November 2013, following intense controversy over quotes the journalist had attributed to Francis, Scalfari admitted that at least some of the words he had published a month prior “were not shared by the Pope himself.”

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/vatican-dont-trust-report-that-pope-francis-denied-reality-of-hell-53450

    Uhm, this particular quote does not come from Scalfari ... but from Juan Carlos Cruz, a sex abuse victim.  There's no reason to doubt his credibility.

    Nice try, poche.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/21/europe/pope-francis-gαy-comments-intl/index.html

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #109 on: May 31, 2018, 10:44:08 PM »
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  • Uhm, this particular quote does not come from Scalfari ... but from Juan Carlos Cruz, a sex abuse victim.  There's no reason to doubt his credibility.

    Nice try, poche.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/21/europe/pope-francis-gαy-comments-intl/index.html
    I don't think that for Pope Francis to tell someone that God loves them is so evil. Of course the next step is for that person to respond to the special love that God has for them by taking up the cross and following Him.  


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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #110 on: June 02, 2018, 07:12:39 PM »
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  • A heterosɛҳuąƖ sinful act is grave , and unrepentant, will still buy you hell, but it at least is not against the natural law.
    ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is against the natural law and comparing the two is just part of the slippery slope.( I think we are at the bottom of the slope!)
    Marriage is also a part of natural law, hence why the Church recognises "natural marriages". Ergo fornication is against natural law. 

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #111 on: June 02, 2018, 07:22:23 PM »
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  • Ontologically, the hermaphrodite still has either an exclusive masculine (male) or feminine (female) soul, despite the physical birth defect. The soul created by God has no ambiguity in its nature & identity. Hermaphroditism is no different than being born with no limbs or any other grotesque disfiguration, but it's no reflection of the soul of the person.

    The parents & priest of the hermaphrodite must pray, fast and give alms for the child in his formative years so the child, parents & priest may finally discern the actual sex of the person according to his soul, and proceed to corrective physical surgery. This is not the same as the mortal sin of the grotesque perversion of "transitioning".

    And don't tell me souls have no masculine (male) or feminine (female) nature. St. Michael the Archangel is named "Michael" because of his masculine (male) soul, despite not having a physical body.
    And it could be argued the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ must do the same. Perhaps ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity could be cured if the liberal agenda didn't shut down any attempts at it. Based on the facts that we see ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in animals and the fact ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs have been found to exhibit certain brain functions more akin to the opposite sex, I'd reckon it's a mental disorder rather than purely a spiritual one(although it may have such causes in humans - yet surely not animals, and of course dire spiritual consequences should they act on the urges). An insanely disproportionate number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs suffered sɛҳuąƖ abuse as children, suggesting it's some sort of post-traumatic disorder. So it should be treated like a mental disorder rather than just accepted as an orientation(what nonsense!). And while it may not have such a simple cure as surgery, I'm sure through therapy and prayer it could be cured if only the research of cures weren't actively prevented in modern society. 

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #112 on: June 05, 2018, 01:21:26 PM »
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  • I don't think that for Pope Francis to tell someone that God loves them is so evil.  
    It is very evil, in fact blasphemy, to tell someone that God loves their evil behavior and/or created that person for the purpose of doing the evil that they are doing.

    Sodomy is one of The Four Sins.


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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #113 on: June 05, 2018, 10:41:03 PM »
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  • It is very evil, in fact blasphemy, to tell someone that God loves their evil behavior and/or created that person for the purpose of doing the evil that they are doing.

    Sodomy is one of The Four Sins.
    There is a huge difference in saying "God loves you." and "God loves your evil behavior."

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #114 on: June 05, 2018, 11:17:46 PM »
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  • There is a huge difference in saying "God loves you." and "God loves your evil behavior."
    How else do you interpret "God loves you like this?"
    "Like this" means as a sodomite.

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #115 on: June 06, 2018, 01:22:21 AM »
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  • And it could be argued the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ must do the same.

    Yes, prayer, fasting and giving alms are definitely to be recommended

    Perhaps ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity could be cured if the liberal agenda didn't shut down any attempts at it.

    ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is "cured" irrespective of any liberal agenda, when ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ persons devote their lives to Christ, through the practice of the sacraments and other aids offered by the Church, just as for any other sin, though ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ feelings do take great effort, determination and persistence to overcome.

    Based on the facts that we see ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in animals and the fact ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs have been found to exhibit certain brain functions more akin to the opposite sex, I'd reckon it's a mental disorder rather than purely a spiritual one (although it may have such causes in humans - yet surely not animals, and of course dire spiritual consequences should they act on the urges).

    Repeating the same actions over and over causes the "wiring" in the brain to change. It's what we laymen call habits. Habits can be good and bad. We want to keep our good habits (virtues), but as we all know, bad habits (sins) are rooted deeply in us. 

    An insanely disproportionate number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs suffered sɛҳuąƖ abuse as children, suggesting it's some sort of post-traumatic disorder. So it should be treated like a mental disorder rather than just accepted as an orientation(what nonsense!). And while it may not have such a simple cure as surgery, I'm sure through therapy and prayer it could be cured if only the research of cures weren't actively prevented in modern society.

    ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity was classified as a mental disorder until 1973 when the American Psychiatric Association voted to remove it from their conditions for treatment.

    For the spiritual approach see https://couragerc.org/
     

    For the therapeutic approach see The National Association for Research & Therapy of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity (
    NARTH), which by my brief attempt to find their website brought up many attacks against them, which could be a good reason to investigate what they have to offer. The founder was Joseph Nicolosi:  
    https://www.josephnicolosi.com/



    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #116 on: June 06, 2018, 02:00:20 AM »
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  • How else do you interpret "God loves you like this?"
    "Like this" means as a sodomite.
    It means that even though this person has certain type of temptations against the virtue of chastity God still loves this person with such a special love that He gave His only son that he might join Him in paradise.
      https://www.catholic.org/saints/fun_facts_arch.php?saint=10

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #117 on: June 06, 2018, 02:06:35 AM »
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  • It means that even though this person has certain type of temptations against the virtue of chastity God still loves this person with such a special love that He gave His only son that he might join Him in paradise.
      https://www.catholic.org/saints/fun_facts_arch.php?saint=10
    No.  it means that PF prefers ambiguity to clarity, because he prefers to imply that people don't need to change.  But the facts are that natural law actually overrides everything.  Just as the Israelites knew what personal evil was long before the Ten Commandments were issued, and were culpable for that evil, so it goes with modern man.  Sodomizers may be loved by God, but they will damn themselves if they don't STOP being "like this."
    And it is evil, evil, evil, to pretend otherwise.

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #118 on: June 08, 2018, 11:00:04 PM »
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  • No.  it means that PF prefers ambiguity to clarity, because he prefers to imply that people don't need to change.  But the facts are that natural law actually overrides everything.  Just as the Israelites knew what personal evil was long before the Ten Commandments were issued, and were culpable for that evil, so it goes with modern man.  Sodomizers may be loved by God, but they will damn themselves if they don't STOP being "like this."
    And it is evil, evil, evil, to pretend otherwise.
    IF somebody is trying to live in the grace of God and is sincere then it is not who he is but what he does that will send him to Hell. 

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #119 on: June 09, 2018, 01:56:01 AM »
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  • It is very evil, in fact blasphemy, to tell someone that God loves their evil behavior and/or created that person for the purpose of doing the evil that they are doing.

    Sodomy is one of The Four Sins.
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    The sin of Sodom is one of the four sins that cry to heaven for vengeance.
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    It is entirely lost on the MSM, popular culture, non-Catholics, etc., what this means.
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    What do these four sins have in common? They all cry to heaven for vengeance.
    Why do they do that? The suffering of innocent victims due to these sins is a grave injustice against the children of God.
    But who are these victims?
    The victims of willful murder of the innocent are the innocent murder victims and by extension, their families.
    The victims of denying a laborer his just wages are the laborer himself and by extension, his family who also suffers.
    The victims of oppression of the poor are the poor themselves and by extension, all of society that suffers the injustice.
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    But who, pray tell, is the victim of Sodomy? Isn't it a victimless "crime" under consent, and therefore no crime at all?
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    Who has the answer for this dilemma?
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