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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
« Reply #90 on: May 25, 2018, 08:30:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cantarella on May 25, 2018, 12:23:07 AM
    I think angels are of male nature. There must be a reason why they have always taken a male form in the Bible.

    Male is not the right term, since angels are pure spirit.  Perhaps masculine?  Nevertheless, certain attributes of maleness may pertain to them so that Our Lord called God Father (and not Mother).  And that is not just an arbitrary choice.  Yet God contains all the perfections of both maleness and femaleness, and transcends them all.  One could make a case that angels have male attributes in the sense that God the Father does.  St. Thomas and others argue that maleness is more complete and more perfect than femaleness in and of itself, and so that would suggest that something similar would apply to angels.  Now as for the assignment of male names to the angels, the root words were actually descriptives, with Michael meaning "who is like God", Gabriel "strength of God", Raphael "healer of God", etc.
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    Offline Last Tradhican

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #91 on: May 25, 2018, 12:38:51 PM »
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    • Wouldn't a man behaving in an overly effeminate way be committing  a mortal sin by being an accessory to another's sin, by bad counsel, and implicit consent and  provocation? That's even if they do not engage in sodomy? They would be bad example.

    (P.s. - Bergolio is guilty of bad counsel, consent, praise and flattetry, concealment, silence, and implicit defense of ill done)

    Nine Ways of being accessory to another's sin
    1. by counsel
    2. by command
    3. by consent
    4. by provocation
    5. by praise or flattery
    6. by concealment
    7. by partaking
    8. by silence
    9. by the defense of the ill done
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #92 on: May 25, 2018, 12:41:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on May 25, 2018, 12:38:51 PM
    Wouldn't a man behaving in an overly effeminate way be committing  a mortal sin by being an accessory to another's sin, by bad counsel, and implicit consent, provocation? That's even if they do not engage in sodomy? They would be bad also be example.

    Well, there are degrees of effeminacy.  Not all ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are overtly effeminate.  And the degree of sin would presumably be proportional to the degree of effeminacy.  I'm not sure "bad example" applies, because I don't really know of any straight men that would want to follow the example of an effeminate man ... they're usually repulsed by it.
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #93 on: May 25, 2018, 12:43:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 25, 2018, 12:41:56 PM
    Well, there are degrees of effeminacy.  Not all ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are overtly effeminate.  And the degree of sin would presumably be proportional to the degree of effeminacy.  I'm not sure "bad example" applies, because I don't really know of any straight men that would want to follow the example of an effeminate man ... they're usually repulsed by it.
    Bad example to other effeminate men, children, and men on the fence.
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #94 on: May 25, 2018, 01:25:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on May 25, 2018, 04:48:27 AM
    Please share link.  I don't recall any such thing.
    Share your source with us, Poche.  If what you say is correct, this would indeed be welcome news.
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #95 on: May 25, 2018, 03:54:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Capt McQuigg on May 25, 2018, 01:25:29 PM
    Share your source with us, Poche.  If what you say is correct, this would indeed be welcome news.
    I think poche is mistaken.  The "Vatican" denied that Francis ever said this, but Eugene Scalfari never came out and said he lied.  I have tried to find such an admission via google and there is nothing.
    But I am open to seeing poche's link ... if he can produce it.   
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #96 on: May 25, 2018, 04:06:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on May 25, 2018, 12:43:02 PM
    Bad example to other effeminate men, children, and men on the fence.

    There are some effeminate boys out there who do not necessarily have sodomite tendencies. However, they must be corrected:

    Should Boys with Feminine Tendencies Be Corrected?
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    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #97 on: May 25, 2018, 09:36:21 PM »
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    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #98 on: May 25, 2018, 11:07:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on May 25, 2018, 12:38:51 PM
    Wouldn't a man behaving in an overly effeminate way be committing  a mortal sin by being an accessory to another's sin, by bad counsel, and implicit consent and  provocation? That's even if they do not engage in sodomy? They would be bad example.

    (P.s. - Bergolio is guilty of bad counsel, consent, praise and flattetry, concealment, silence, and implicit defense of ill done)

    Nine Ways of being accessory to another's sin
    1. by counsel
    2. by command
    3. by consent
    4. by provocation
    5. by praise or flattery
    6. by concealment
    7. by partaking
    8. by silence
    9. by the defense of the ill done
    That would depend on the intent.
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #99 on: May 25, 2018, 11:10:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Truecharity on May 25, 2018, 04:19:13 PM
    Well, here is a novus ordo sect curveball.
    This will make a lot of novus ordo "trads" proud of their novus ordo Pope.
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-tells-italian-bishops-to-not-let-gαys-enter-the-seminary
    I already posted this to this thread yesterday.
    8) 8) 8)
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #100 on: May 26, 2018, 12:25:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cantarella on May 25, 2018, 04:06:45 PM
    There are some effeminate boys out there who do not necessarily have sodomite tendencies. However, they must be corrected:

    Should Boys with Feminine Tendencies Be Corrected?

    I happened to be connected to my work network (even though I'm not working now) and the link was blocked by the firewall due to its being characterized as "Interolerance and Hate".   :facepalm:
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #101 on: May 26, 2018, 12:27:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: Truecharity on May 25, 2018, 04:19:13 PM
    Well, here is a novus ordo sect curveball.
    This will make a lot of novus ordo "trads" proud of their novus ordo Pope.
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-tells-italian-bishops-to-not-let-gαys-enter-the-seminary

    You're right about that.  JP2 the Ungreat was viewed as this ultra-conservative because of his stance on moral issues, ordination of women, etc. and was seen within 50 yards of a statue of Our Lady every once in a while.  All the while he was promoting total religious indifferentism on the doctrinal front.  That was much more dangerous than Bergoglio because conservatives were more inclined to swallow JP2's doctrinal errors as a result of this perception.  Conservatives will often dismiss Bergoglio's antics.
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #102 on: May 26, 2018, 04:45:40 PM »
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    • Wow.... just wow.

    To correct our *Reverend Pope* (grins), actually, although LGBTQ people say otherwise, being gαy/lesbian is a CHOICE... you aren't born that way, it is structurally impossible. Also, to claim that God condones LGBTQ+ is a heresy. God does not condone LGBTQ. 

    Francis needs prayers... 
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #103 on: May 26, 2018, 09:59:32 PM »
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    •  :facepalm:




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    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #104 on: May 28, 2018, 03:55:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on May 25, 2018, 04:48:27 AM
    Please share link.  I don't recall any such thing.
    Scalfari’s fifth meeting with Pope Francis, it is not the first time he has misrepresented the Pope’s words following a private audience.
    In November 2013, following intense controversy over quotes the journalist had attributed to Francis, Scalfari admitted that at least some of the words he had published a month prior “were not shared by the Pope himself.”

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/vatican-dont-trust-report-that-pope-francis-denied-reality-of-hell-53450
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