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Offline Banezian

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Pope Francis tells gay man "God made you like this"
« on: May 21, 2018, 02:54:23 AM »
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  • "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
    Ephesians 2:8-9

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gay man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #1 on: May 21, 2018, 07:12:58 AM »
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  • Certainly it wasn't being raped as a young, psychologically fragile boy by a homosexual pedophile priest that caused him to turn "gay". Of course not.

    The Pope got it wrong- he wasn't "born this way", he was 'formed this way".
    Who knew that the Consiliar Church's definition of formation of young men would be so radically altered.


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    Re: Pope Francis tells gay man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #2 on: May 21, 2018, 08:24:35 AM »
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    “He told me, ‘Juan Carlos, that you are gay does not matter. God made you like this and loves you like this and I don’t care. The pope loves you like this. You have to be happy with who you are,’”

    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gay man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #3 on: May 21, 2018, 08:52:13 AM »
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  • Let's say that some people have certain genetic things that incline them to go this way, since unfortunately we're starting to see homosexuality even among animals who have been exposed to various kinds of chemicals and whatnot.  So is it possible that some people were born with those inclinations ... due to hormonal imbalances.  Yes, it is.  But even then, it's a DISORDER that needs to be treated as such.  Similarly, some people are born with genetic deformities, birth defects, etc. ... this doesn't mean that they're natural and the traits intended by God.

    So the problem I have with his statement is the fact that he's saying that God loves him this way.  God loves him DESPITE his disordered/sinful inclinations, just as you would love someone who had birth defects.  But that's where the similarity with birth defects ends ... because if the homosexually-inclined man acts out on it, then it's a sin that displeases and offends God.  So too heterosexuals who sin with the opposite sex displease and offend God as well.

    So this man on the chair is a bumbling idiot.

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gay man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #4 on: May 21, 2018, 09:53:28 AM »
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  • Gee, I always thought that homosexuality is one of the four sins that cried out to God for vengeance , but disorder sounds nice. The Pope didn't mention fighting against the inclination of the "disorder", or treatment of it? This is just Francis' good housekeeping seal. It all sounds so loving!

    Sins that cry to heaven
    • The "blood of Abel": homicide, infanticide, fratricide, patricide, and matricide.
    • The "sin of the Sodomites".
    • The "cry of the people oppressed in Egypt, the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan": slavery and marginalization.
    • The "injustice to the wage earner": taking advantage of and defrauding workers.


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    Re: Pope Francis tells gay man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #5 on: May 21, 2018, 09:59:59 AM »
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  • A heterosexual sinful act is grave , and unrepentant, will still buy you hell, but it at least is not against the natural law.
    Homosexuality is against the natural law and comparing the two is just part of the slippery slope.( I think we are at the bottom of the slope!)

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gay man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #6 on: May 21, 2018, 10:16:53 AM »
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  • Gee, I always thought that homosexuality is one of the four sins that cried out to God for vengeance , but disorder sounds nice.

    You fail to distinguish between the sinful inclination vs. the sin itself.  Ironically, so does Bergoglio ... on the other end of the spectrum.


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    Re: Pope Francis tells gay man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #7 on: May 21, 2018, 10:19:17 AM »
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  • God will not be mocked. God does not create disorder. Francis is guaranteeing himself a special place in Hell. :heretic:
    This is a serious journey,not a Hobbit walking party.


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    Re: Pope Francis tells gay man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #8 on: May 21, 2018, 10:21:11 AM »
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  • God will not be mocked. God does not create disorder. Francis is guaranteeing himself a special place in Hell. :heretic:

    So, when someone is born with a birth defect, let's say that he/she has both male and female genitalia, is that not a disorder?  Where did it come from?  Our fallen nature is subject to disorders.  In fact, our fallen nature IS a disorder.  God did not INTEND for us to struggle with concupiscence or irascibility, but we are born with these anyway.  Similarly, while God did not INTEND that human beings be born with homosexual inclinations, that disorder could theoretically happen also without any act of the will.

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gay man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #9 on: May 21, 2018, 10:44:08 AM »
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  • So, when someone is born with a birth defect, let's say that he/she has both male and female genitalia, is that not a disorder?  Where did it come from?  Our fallen nature is subject to disorders.  In fact, our fallen nature IS a disorder.  God did not INTEND for us to struggle with concupiscence or irascibility, but we are born with these anyway.  Similarly, while God did not INTEND that human beings be born with homosexual inclinations, that disorder could theoretically happen also without any act of the will.
    No qualms here. God does not make evil but fallen nature does allow for aberration. I would be careful to distinguish amongst physical, psychological and moral/spiritual defects.
    This is a serious journey,not a Hobbit walking party.

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gay man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #10 on: May 21, 2018, 10:44:55 AM »
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  • i can guarantee you that 99.9% of these people are not hermaphrodites. When I used to rescue in the 80's, the homosexual protesters that were there with the pro-aborts ( Act -Up, etc) used to chant, "We're here, we're queer, we've come to get your kids". Oh boy did they ever.


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    Re: Pope Francis tells gay man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #11 on: May 21, 2018, 10:45:44 AM »
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gay man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #12 on: May 21, 2018, 10:56:11 AM »
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  • i can guarantee you that 99.9% of these people are not hermaphrodites.

    That wasn't my point.  I was making an analogy between disorders that someone might theoretically be born with.  It's possible in our fallen nature to be born with certain disorders, possibly even homosexuality.  So, for instance, they've noticed that various lower life forms become homosexual when subjected to certain types of chemicals in their environment.  That's all I was saying.

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gay man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #13 on: May 21, 2018, 11:10:00 AM »
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  • This is a true Holy Father speaking on sodomy:

    St. Pius V
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    That horrible crime, on account of which corrupt and obscene cities were destroyed by fire through divine condemnation, causes us most bitter sorrow and shocks our mind, impelling us to repress such a crime with the greatest possible zeal.

    Quite opportunely the Fifth Lateran Council [1512-1517] issued this decree: "Let any member of the clergy caught in that vice against nature, given that the wrath of God falls over the sons of perfidy, be removed from the clerical order or forced to do penance in a monastery" (chap. 4, X, V, 31).

    So that the contagion of such a grave offense may not advance with greater audacity by taking advantage of impunity, which is the greatest incitement to sin, and so as to more severely punish the clerics who are guilty of this nefarious crime and who are not frightened by the death of their souls, we determine that they should be handed over to the severity of the secular authority, which enforces civil law.

    Therefore, wishing to pursue with greater rigor than we have exerted since the beginning of our pontificate, we establish that any priest or member of the clergy, either secular or regular, who commits such an execrable crime, by force of the present law be deprived of every clerical privilege, of every post, dignity and ecclesiastical benefit, and having been degraded by an ecclesiastical judge, let him be immediately delivered to the secular authority to be put to death, as mandated by law as the fitting punishment for laymen who have sunk into this abyss.

     
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gay man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #14 on: May 21, 2018, 11:18:24 AM »
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  • It is also good to recall the words of great St. Augustine, teaching about this unnatural vice which cries Heaven for vengeance:

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    "Sins against nature … like the sin of Sodom, are abominable and deserve punishment whenever and wherever they are committed. If all nations committed them, all alike would be held guilty of the same charge in God's law, for our Creator did not prescribe that we should use each other in this way. In fact, the relationship that we ought to have with God is itself violated when our nature, of which he is Author, is desecrated by perverted lust." 

    "Your punishments [O God] are for the sins that men commit against themselves because, although they sin against You, they do wrong in their own souls and their malice is self-betrayed. They corrupt and pervert their own nature, which You made and for which You shaped the rules, either by making wrong use of the things that You allow, or by becoming inflamed with passion 'to make unnatural use of things which You do not allow' (Rom 1:26)." 
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

     

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