Author Topic: Pope Francis Supports Kim Davis (Read 1565 times)

poche · « **on:** October 01, 2015, 11:43:13 PM »

The news that the Pope met with Davis sheds new light on a comment that he made to reporters during his return flight to Rome on September. Responding to a reproter's question as to whether a government official can be a conscientious objector, the Pope said that conscientious objection "is a human right and if a government official is a human person, he has that right." At the time, many reporters interpreted the Pope's statement as a reference to Kim Davis. The knowledge that he had met with Davis, and offered her his encouragement, lends support that interpretation of his remark.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=26276

ClarkSmith · « **Reply #1 on:** October 04, 2015, 04:34:09 PM »

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Friday’s statement from the Vatican continued, “The Pope did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs. Davis and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects”.

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2Vermont · « **Reply #2 on:** October 04, 2015, 04:39:36 PM »

The latest:

http://ksn.com/2015/10/02/davis-lawyer-disputes-vatican-description-of-meeting/

Somebody's lying, but why?

Centroamerica · « **Reply #3 on:** October 04, 2015, 05:15:18 PM »

http://usuncut.com/news/pope-francis-expected-to-fire-archbishop-who-set-up-the-meeting-with-kim-davis/

After the huge blowback and resulting PR firestorm the Vatican endured for meeting with Kim Davis — the Kentucky county clerk who refuses to issue marriage licenses to LGBT couples — Pope Francis is expected to fire the church official who arranged the meeting.

On Friday, the Vatican’s press office reiterated that the meeting with Davis was not meant to be interpreted as an endorsement of her views, but rather a simple exchange of pleasantries between the Pope and a group of admirers, one of whom happened to be Davis. The Vatican also emphasized that the only one-on-one meeting that Pope Francis had during his time in Washington, D.C. was with Yayo Grassi, a gαy man and former student of the Pope’s. But the Vatican appears to go one step further to make it clear that the Holy See in no way endorses Kim Davis’ bigotry.

Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, who arranged the Pope’s meetings in Washington (including the one with Kim Davis), is expected to be held responsible for blowback resulting from the meeting with Davis. According to the New York Times, Viganò is “likely to be removed at the first respectable opportunity” if blowback from the meeting with Davis continues to build.

“The pope has to be able to rely on his own system, and in this case the system failed him,” theology professor Dr. Massimo Faggioli told the Times. “The question is, was it a mistake, or was it done with full knowledge of how toxic she was?”

According to Faggioli, Pope Francis was very careful to structure his trip and his speeches in such a way to not be politicized by any particular faction. Archbishop Viganò’s misstep may have been the final nail in the coffin for his tenure within the church.

2Vermont · « **Reply #4 on:** October 04, 2015, 05:34:16 PM »

Quote from: Centroamerica

http://usuncut.com/news/pope-francis-expected-to-fire-archbishop-who-set-up-the-meeting-with-kim-davis/

After the huge blowback and resulting PR firestorm the Vatican endured for meeting with Kim Davis — the Kentucky county clerk who refuses to issue marriage licenses to LGBT couples — Pope Francis is expected to fire the church official who arranged the meeting.

On Friday, the Vatican’s press office reiterated that the meeting with Davis was not meant to be interpreted as an endorsement of her views, but rather a simple exchange of pleasantries between the Pope and a group of admirers, one of whom happened to be Davis. The Vatican also emphasized that the only one-on-one meeting that Pope Francis had during his time in Washington, D.C. was with Yayo Grassi, a gαy man and former student of the Pope’s. But the Vatican appears to go one step further to make it clear that the Holy See in no way endorses Kim Davis’ bigotry.

Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, who arranged the Pope’s meetings in Washington (including the one with Kim Davis), is expected to be held responsible for blowback resulting from the meeting with Davis. According to the New York Times, Viganò is “likely to be removed at the first respectable opportunity” if blowback from the meeting with Davis continues to build.

“The pope has to be able to rely on his own system, and in this case the system failed him,” theology professor Dr. Massimo Faggioli told the Times. “The question is, was it a mistake, or was it done with full knowledge of how toxic she was?”

According to Faggioli, Pope Francis was very careful to structure his trip and his speeches in such a way to not be politicized by any particular faction. Archbishop Viganò’s misstep may have been the final nail in the coffin for his tenure within the church.

Faggiolo....lol.

Not sure if I believe the NY Times, but we shall see if the Archbishop is fired. I guess it's possible.

SJB · « **Reply #5 on:** October 04, 2015, 06:28:44 PM »

Quote from: poche

The news that the Pope met with Davis sheds new light on a comment that he made to reporters during his return flight to Rome on September. Responding to a reproter's question as to whether a government official can be a conscientious objector, the Pope said that conscientious objection "is a human right and if a government official is a human person, he has that right." At the time, many reporters interpreted the Pope's statement as a reference to Kim Davis. The knowledge that he had met with Davis, and offered her his encouragement, lends support that interpretation of his remark.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=26276

Francis is merely defending religious liberty, which is a dogma in the post Vatican II environment. He cannot be assumed to be saying anything about the same-sex "marriage" issue.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 04, 2015, 09:10:29 PM »

Now I read recently in the news, that Vatican has backtracked on the
audience with Kim Davis, and Francis. Wished the audience never
happened. Francis also had a audience with 2 gαys in the Vatican.
A notorious well known gαy read the epistle at the mass in Grand
Central Park in New York City.

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #7 on:** October 04, 2015, 11:23:48 PM »

Quote from: RomanCatholic1953

Now I read recently in the news, that Vatican has backtracked on the
audience with Kim Davis, and Francis. Wished the audience never
happened. Francis also had a audience with 2 gαys in the Vatican.
A notorious well known gαy read the epistle at the mass in Grand
Central Park in New York City.

Backtracked is an understatement
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/the-gαy-man-who-got-a-surprise-call-from-the-pope-i-would-like-to-give-you-a-hug/2015/10/02/41c9f65e-6927-11e5-8325-a42b5a459b1e_story.html

rum · « **Reply #8 on:** October 05, 2015, 01:21:58 AM »

Quote from: RomanCatholic1953

A notorious well known gαy read the epistle at the mass in Grand
Central Park in New York City.

Mo Rocca. He has a show on the Food Network and has worked for the Daily Show. His grandmother, Ruth Tieg, is a "h0Ɩ0cαųst survivor." He reeks of Jєωιѕнness. Nothing about him seems Catholic.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #9 on:** October 05, 2015, 03:09:19 AM »

Both the Washington Post and New York Times are biased liberal trashy newspapers.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 05, 2015, 08:14:54 AM »

Quote from: SJB

Quote from: poche
The news that the Pope met with Davis sheds new light on a comment that he made to reporters during his return flight to Rome on September. Responding to a reproter's question as to whether a government official can be a conscientious objector, the Pope said that conscientious objection "is a human right and if a government official is a human person, he has that right." At the time, many reporters interpreted the Pope's statement as a reference to Kim Davis. The knowledge that he had met with Davis, and offered her his encouragement, lends support that interpretation of his remark.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=26276

Francis is merely defending religious liberty, which is a dogma in the post Vatican II environment. He cannot be assumed to be saying anything about the same-sex "marriage" issue.

Religious Liberty is a heresy Vatican 2, or no Vatican 2.

SJB · « **Reply #11 on:** October 05, 2015, 07:54:32 PM »

Quote from: RomanCatholic1953

Quote from: SJB
Quote from: poche
The news that the Pope met with Davis sheds new light on a comment that he made to reporters during his return flight to Rome on September. Responding to a reproter's question as to whether a government official can be a conscientious objector, the Pope said that conscientious objection "is a human right and if a government official is a human person, he has that right." At the time, many reporters interpreted the Pope's statement as a reference to Kim Davis. The knowledge that he had met with Davis, and offered her his encouragement, lends support that interpretation of his remark.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=26276

Francis is merely defending religious liberty, which is a dogma in the post Vatican II environment. He cannot be assumed to be saying anything about the same-sex "marriage" issue.

Religious Liberty is a heresy Vatican 2, or no Vatican 2.

The point was that Francis was defending an error and implying nothing about marriage that was orthodox. But he fooled many with his visit with Davis.

poche · « **Reply #12 on:** October 06, 2015, 11:37:45 PM »

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Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Quote from: SJB
Quote from: poche
The news that the Pope met with Davis sheds new light on a comment that he made to reporters during his return flight to Rome on September. Responding to a reproter's question as to whether a government official can be a conscientious objector, the Pope said that conscientious objection "is a human right and if a government official is a human person, he has that right." At the time, many reporters interpreted the Pope's statement as a reference to Kim Davis. The knowledge that he had met with Davis, and offered her his encouragement, lends support that interpretation of his remark.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=26276

Francis is merely defending religious liberty, which is a dogma in the post Vatican II environment. He cannot be assumed to be saying anything about the same-sex "marriage" issue.

Religious Liberty is a heresy Vatican 2, or no Vatican 2.

The point was that Francis was defending an error and implying nothing about marriage that was orthodox. But he fooled many with his visit with Davis.

He met with Kim Davis and said, "Thank you for your courage." He didn't say that to anybody else that I know of. Other people who don't have teh courage of their convictions will try to downplay what he did but he didn't thank those people for any display of courage.

OHCA · « **Reply #13 on:** October 07, 2015, 12:18:02 AM »

Didn't Frank also meet with a lesbo couple and a fαɢɢօt "priest" & his boyfriend?

poche · « **Reply #14 on:** October 07, 2015, 12:23:21 AM »

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Didn't Frank also meet with a lesbo couple and a fαɢɢօt "priest" & his boyfriend?

He may have shaken their hands but he didn't and he may or may not have known about their relationship but he didn't thank them for their "courage."