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Offline Last Tradhican

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Re: Pope Francis said
« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2019, 11:47:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on March 04, 2019, 04:54:44 AM
    Every Good Friday the Pope publicly prays the Stations of the Cross at the Coliseum.
    I remember watching once a docuмentary about the garbage dump people in the Philippines, they live off of the garbage at the dump, eating whatever they can find. They followed this 16 year old mother of an infant as she looked for her meal in the morning. She had that day a rotten grapefruit for her only meal.  

    Poche is living in the Novus Ordo dump feeding himself from the few scraps of edible waste he can find, and then he comes here to boast of his "finds".
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    Re: Pope Francis said
    « Reply #31 on: June 14, 2019, 12:45:21 AM »
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    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Pope Francis said
    « Reply #32 on: June 14, 2019, 01:15:54 AM »
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    • There is really nothing to dialogue in regards to any mortal sin.  

    The Papal visit to USA , Ireland etc should have been used to dialogue which included the spreading of the gospel of Jesus.  Catholic morals and teachings should have been included in the dialogue.  

    We pray Pope Frances ditches communism of liberal theology and seeks Jesus and the true faith. 
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Pope Francis said
    « Reply #33 on: June 14, 2019, 04:57:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on June 14, 2019, 12:45:21 AM
    Pope Francis just promulgated a decree that rejects gender ideology.

    https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2019-06/vatican-docuмent-on-gender-yes-to-dialogue-no-to-ideology.html
    Poche, do you ever wonder why your pope doesn’t just come right out and condemn this stuff as plainly evil and that it is (and has always been) contrary to Catholic teaching? I’ll tell you why, because he’s for it. He’s pushing this satanic agenda at just the right pace for it to be absorbed by it’s willing and unwilling dupes. Two steps forward, one step back.
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    Re: Pope Francis said
    « Reply #34 on: June 14, 2019, 08:52:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on June 14, 2019, 12:45:21 AM
    Pope Francis just promulgated a decree that rejects gender ideology.

    https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2019-06/vatican-docuмent-on-gender-yes-to-dialogue-no-to-ideology.html

    It gives a mild and tame defense of Church teaching. That's not what is needed in today's radically leftist society, where those who strive to uphold proper Church teaching are often persecuted for their efforts.
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    Re: Pope Francis said
    « Reply #35 on: June 14, 2019, 11:29:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on June 14, 2019, 04:57:48 AM
    Poche, do you ever wonder why your pope doesn’t just come right out and condemn this stuff as plainly evil and that it is (and has always been) contrary to Catholic teaching? I’ll tell you why, because he’s for it. He’s pushing this satanic agenda at just the right pace for it to be absorbed by it’s willing and unwilling dupes. Two steps forward, one step back.
    :cheers:
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    Re: Pope Francis said
    « Reply #36 on: June 14, 2019, 10:44:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on June 14, 2019, 04:57:48 AM
    Poche, do you ever wonder why your pope doesn’t just come right out and condemn this stuff as plainly evil and that it is (and has always been) contrary to Catholic teaching? I’ll tell you why, because he’s for it. He’s pushing this satanic agenda at just the right pace for it to be absorbed by it’s willing and unwilling dupes. Two steps forward, one step back.
    I thought he was condemning it.
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    Re: Pope Francis said
    « Reply #37 on: June 14, 2019, 10:53:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on June 14, 2019, 01:15:54 AM
    There is really nothing to dialogue in regards to any mortal sin.  

    The Papal visit to USA , Ireland etc should have been used to dialogue which included the spreading of the gospel of Jesus.  Catholic morals and teachings should have been included in the dialogue.  

    We pray Pope Frances ditches communism of liberal theology and seeks Jesus and the true faith.
    Dialog with regard to mortal sin is about saying that it is wrong. Don't do it!!! Part of the dialog is to say why it is wrong.
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    Re: Pope Francis said
    « Reply #38 on: June 15, 2019, 02:39:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on June 14, 2019, 10:53:10 PM
    Dialog with regard to mortal sin is about saying that it is wrong. Don't do it!!! Part of the dialog is to say why it is wrong.
    Poche, can you quote the bit wher he mentions "mortal sin".
    The article you linked is a whole load of codswallop produced by the Congregation for Catholic Education. Why do you give so much importance to this gobbledegook? It's not good for the mind.
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    Re: Pope Francis said
    « Reply #39 on: June 15, 2019, 04:05:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on June 14, 2019, 10:44:14 PM
    I thought he was condemning it.
    That nonsense didn’t condemn anything, if I’m mistaken, please point it out to me.
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    Re: Pope Francis said
    « Reply #40 on: June 15, 2019, 05:41:50 AM »
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    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Pope Francis said
    « Reply #41 on: June 19, 2019, 06:23:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on June 14, 2019, 12:45:21 AM
    Pope Francis just promulgated a decree that rejects gender ideology.

    https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2019-06/vatican-docuмent-on-gender-yes-to-dialogue-no-to-ideology.html

    As usual Francis shows everything he touches comes out heresy:

    ROME, June 14, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — A Catholic psychologist has denounced the latest Vatican docuмent on gender theory as containing “not one sentence of sound advice for parents who try to educate their children towards the virtues necessary for a Christian life.”
    In a searing critique, Dr. Gerard J.M. van den Aardweg, a Dutch psychologist and psychoanalyst specializing in the treatment of persons with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies, condemned the recent Vatican docuмent on gender theory, saying “the aggressive neo-pagan sɛҳuąƖ ideology of the world has no wisdom we might share. The task of the Church is not dialoguing but teaching and correcting, there is a relentless spiritual war going on in the field of sɛҳuąƖity, marriage, and the family.”

    LifeSite: Dr. van den Aardweg, what are your general impressions of the Vatican’s new docuмent on gender theory?

    Dr. van den Aardweg: Basically, it is an ideological docuмent. It is not specifically Catholic, in spite of some lip service. It essentially makes a plea for a kind of atheist-humanist/socialist sex education, presented as more or less Catholic. It gushes over the boons of a social model of sɛҳuąƖ education monitored by “professional experts” on the basis of naively supposed ever-deepening insights into sɛҳuąƖity in the current human sciences. It represents the kind of illusionary and sentimental talk about education and “affectivity” characteristic of the immature and superficial humanistic psychology of the 1960s, but now proclaimed as ‘higher wisdom’ by a Vatican Congregation whose members run half a century behind the times. It is ‘dialogue’ and ‘listening’ and ‘openness’ all over again. But no listening to the divine teachings of the Catholic Church on sɛҳuąƖity, marriage and the family (for these seem in need of ‘restructuring’). Teaching and preaching them to a pagan world is not, it seems, the way forward. The great dream is an “alliance” with the neo-paganism of the sɛҳuąƖ, marriage, and family ideology of the UN and the anti-Christian EU countries.

    “Listening.” Well, listening attentively to the docuмent’s vague and ambiguous formulations and suggestions in order to discern what it drives at, one can discern its lead motive: revolutionary change.
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    Re: Pope Francis said
    « Reply #42 on: June 20, 2019, 10:34:19 AM »
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    The relativization of the unpopular Biblical view of man-woman relationships and social “roles,” in apparent support of feminist (and gαy?) indignation, also appears in the glib contention about “unjust discrimination,” which is “a sad fact of history” also “within the Church.” The Church would have violated the “equal dignity of men and women” in consequence of a “masculinist [sic] mentality veiled by religious motives.” If this is not a sneer at the Catholic teaching about man as the head and woman as the heart of the family, and the woman’s duty to obey her husband etc., what else is being suggested? Or, looked at from a different angle, who can believe the authors of this text are still capable of transmitting the unchangeable divine teachings of the Apostles, St. Augustine, and the Popes Leo XIII and Pius XI? Probably, these authors, blinded by the spirit of the times (Zeitgeist), do not even understand them anymore, nor do they seem to know and understand the correct anthropological and psychological insight of St. Edith Stein that “woman is by nature mother and the companion of the man.” For any Catholic who knows and understands this truth would have made it the cornerstone of a discourse on the equal value of man and woman. 


    So poche pushes the narrative that everything is okay in the Vatican under Francis and it turns out the latest docuмent pushes for joining of the current world Zeitgeist and the Church. The mass confusion has commenced and the darkness will only get deeper.

    The Sheppard (Benedict) has been struck and the sheep are being scattered. 
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    Re: Pope Francis said
    « Reply #43 on: June 20, 2019, 11:12:42 PM »
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    • Poche is saying that like Pope St Pius X dialogued with Herzl so must we all dialog with the pagan world in which we live. And just as Pope St Pius said an emphatic "no!" to Herzl when he suggested something that his holiness thought unreasonable, so must we also say an emphatic "no!" to gender ideology.
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    Re: Pope Francis said
    « Reply #44 on: June 21, 2019, 02:20:18 PM »
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    • Pius X never dialogued with Herzl. Here's an account of their meeting: https://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2014/05/saint-pius-x-and-theodore-herzl-gesture.html He spoke to Herzl, and what he said was "No."

    Dialoguing is a process that facilitates the Hegelian dialectic, and is utterly nonCatholic. In a dialogue the Newchurch antipope says "Christ's people are wonderful" and the pagan person says "Buggery is wonderful.," and the final result is a mealy-mouthed mess that in essence says "Christ's people and buggery are wonderful." That's dialoguing, and it is NOT Catholic.
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