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Title: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on February 03, 2019, 01:27:29 AM
Pope Francis said that he likes to pray the stations of the Cross. How many of you pray the stations of the Cross?

  https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-says-he-loves-to-pray-the-way-of-the-cross-54719
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on February 19, 2019, 05:32:30 AM
Francis also emphasized that the liturgy is not a “do-it-yourself” zone and urged the Vatican officials, “as in other areas of ecclesial life,” to avoid “ideological polarizations” and an attitude of “perpetual dialectics” against those with differing ideas about the liturgy.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/liturgy-is-not-styles-recipes-trends-pope-tells-divine-worship-congregation-75917

I guess that means no more clown masses.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Pax Vobis on February 19, 2019, 09:14:31 AM
Clown masses to be replaced by rainbow and celebrate-diversity masses.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: King Wenceslas on February 19, 2019, 12:13:50 PM
Quote from: poche on February 03, 2019, 01:27:29 AM
Pope Francis said that he likes to pray the stations of the Cross. How many of you pray the stations of the Cross?

  https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-says-he-loves-to-pray-the-way-of-the-cross-54719 (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-says-he-loves-to-pray-the-way-of-the-cross-54719)

Pray the stations of the Cross? Why?
For the good, their good works save them not faith. Go feed the poor and you are saved.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: King Wenceslas on February 19, 2019, 12:52:54 PM

If Francis even mixes a little tiny bit of tradition in, here comes poche, our favorite sycophant for the NO, touting his papacy.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on February 20, 2019, 12:05:34 AM
Quote from: King Wenceslas on February 19, 2019, 12:13:50 PM
Pray the stations of the Cross? Why?
For the good, their good works save them not faith. Go feed the poor and you are saved.
I say do both, pray the stations of the Cross and feed the poor.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on February 27, 2019, 12:36:25 AM
"because in the end every feminism ends up being machismo with a skirt."


http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2019/02/22/190222c.html
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Jaynek on February 27, 2019, 12:25:45 PM
Yes, it is possible to find examples of Pope Francis saying or doing good things.  This does not change the problem that he produces, on a regular and frequent basis, statements that seem to be teaching Catholicism incorrectly.

Let's say for the sake of argument that every single one of these statements was simply misunderstood.  There is no sign of him learning from his mistakes and changing this behaviour to speak more clearly.  Even the best case scenario is that he just doesn't care about about theological precision and sees concern with correct teaching as some sort of "rigidity".  He remains a constant source of confusion about the faith.  How is that appropriate for someone who supposedly holds the highest teaching office in the Church?

This is not a problem that goes away just because you found a few quotes of him saying things that sound OK.  This man is responsible for large numbers of people being confused about Catholic doctrine.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: phagocytosis on February 27, 2019, 01:05:59 PM
Most of the Novus Ordo, and virtually the rest of the pagan world, don't read encyclicals and other formal decrees, many of which contain heresies, by Francis, but they do hear his casual speech, which contains more heresy and apostasy than anything he does in his official role. This is by design. He escapes any Church indictment that could be brought against him, if he were to try to teach a heresy from the Seat of Peter, while at the same time, he succeeds in leading souls to hell and cementing the Godless people in their unfaith by his casual speech that is intended to teach a new religion that's antithetical to Catholicism.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Vintagewife3 on February 27, 2019, 01:39:51 PM
Again, the little good he gets right doesn’t erase all the bad he’s done/said. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on February 27, 2019, 10:52:00 PM
Quote from: phagocytosis on February 27, 2019, 01:05:59 PM
Most of the Novus Ordo, and virtually the rest of the pagan world, don't read encyclicals and other formal decrees, many of which contain heresies, by Francis, but they do hear his casual speech, which contains more heresy and apostasy than anything he does in his official role. This is by design. He escapes any Church indictment that could be brought against him, if he were to try to teach a heresy from the Seat of Peter, while at the same time, he succeeds in leading souls to hell and cementing the Godless people in their unfaith by his casual speech that is intended to teach a new religion that's antithetical to Catholicism.
I thought that comparing feminism to machismo in a skirt was saying it like it is. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Nadir on February 27, 2019, 11:13:37 PM
Quote from: poche on February 27, 2019, 12:36:25 AM
"because in the end every feminism ends up being machismo with a skirt."


http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2019/02/22/190222c.html
His words are pure gobbledegook. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on February 28, 2019, 01:55:22 AM
Douay-Rheims Bible (https://biblehub.com/drb/galatians/1.htm)
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema  Galatians 1:8. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on February 28, 2019, 10:42:33 PM
Quote from: Nadir on February 27, 2019, 11:13:37 PM
His words are pure gobbledegook.
I would have thought that what he said about feminism made perfect sense.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on March 01, 2019, 10:54:33 PM
Pope Francis had this to say in relation to charitable work;

"Do not forget the strength and importance of prayer for you and for all those involved in charitable work: it needs to be nurtured with appropriate pauses for prayer and listening to the Word of God. The secret of the effectiveness of each of your projects is fidelity to Christ and your personal relationship with Him in prayer."

http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2019/02/28/190228b.html
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: JezusDeKoning on March 01, 2019, 11:02:43 PM
Even the Devil can quote Scripture, Poche. Just because Bergoglio talks about the Stations of the Cross, it means nothing.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on March 02, 2019, 10:55:20 PM
Quote from: JezusDeKoning on March 01, 2019, 11:02:43 PM
Even the Devil can quote Scripture, Poche. Just because Bergoglio talks about the Stations of the Cross, it means nothing.
He also speaks against the do it yourself masses and he speaks in favor of the importance of prayer in relation to works of charity.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: AnonymousCatholic on March 02, 2019, 11:52:04 PM
The POPE!?! Praying the stations?!?!?! WHEW! I'm sure the world was holding their breath on this one. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Ladislaus on March 03, 2019, 06:06:51 PM
Quote from: poche on February 19, 2019, 05:32:30 AM
Francis also emphasized that the liturgy is not a “do-it-yourself” zone ...

And he forcefully condemned the practice of placing beachballs on the altar.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Ladislaus on March 03, 2019, 06:08:22 PM
Quote from: Jaynek on February 27, 2019, 12:25:45 PM
Yes, it is possible to find examples of Pope Francis saying or doing good things.

Indeed, not even Satan himself is pure evil ... otherwise he would not exist.  For every thing which exists, there's some good there.  OK, so Francis is at least 10-15% Catholic.  All is now good with the Church.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on March 04, 2019, 04:54:44 AM
Quote from: AnonymousCatholic on March 02, 2019, 11:52:04 PM
The POPE!?! Praying the stations?!?!?! WHEW! I'm sure the world was holding their breath on this one.
Every Good Friday the Pope publicly prays the Stations of the Cross at the Coliseum. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Capt McQuigg on March 08, 2019, 05:45:56 PM
Quote from: poche on February 19, 2019, 05:32:30 AM
Francis also emphasized that the liturgy is not a “do-it-yourself” zone and urged the Vatican officials, “as in other areas of ecclesial life,” to avoid “ideological polarizations” and an attitude of “perpetual dialectics” against those with differing ideas about the liturgy.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/liturgy-is-not-styles-recipes-trends-pope-tells-divine-worship-congregation-75917

I guess that means no more clown masses.
No, Poche.  I think Pope Francis means no more criticizing clown masses.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on March 31, 2019, 11:39:07 PM
Pope Francis called for the Sacrament of Confession to be elevated in the pastoral life of the Church during a Lenten penitential liturgy in St. Peter’s Basilica Friday.
“Confession is the passage from misery to mercy,” Pope Francis said in his homily for the Lenten reconciliation service March 29.
“Let us restore to this sacrament the place it deserves in life and pastoral ministry!” he said.
The pope said that receiving pardon for our sins through a priest is “always a new, distinctive and unique experience.”
“We pass from being alone with our miseries … to being raised up and encouraged by the Lord who grants us a new start,” he said.
Following the homily, Pope Francis led a silent examination of conscience. The pope then heard the confessions of several penitents in St. Peter’s Basilica.
Other priests were also available throughout the basilica to hear individual confessions.
Pope Francis recommended that people approaching the Sacrament of Reconciliation spend time looking at a crucifix after making their confession. It would be beautiful, he said, to remain with “eyes fixed on Jesus who has just set us free: no longer looking at our miseries, but rather at his mercy.”
“To look at the Crucified One and say with amazement: ‘That’s where my sins ended up. You took them upon yourself. You didn’t point your finger at me; instead, you opened your arms and forgave me once again,’” he said.
“For this is the heart of Confession: not the sins we declare, but the divine love we receive, of which we are ever in need,” Francis added.
The penitential service marked the beginning of the “24 Hours for the Lord” initiative held annually on the fourth Friday and Saturday of Lent.
The pope reflected, “How many times do we feel alone, that we have lost our way in life? How many times do we no longer know how to begin again, overwhelmed by the effort to accept ourselves? We need to start over, but we don’t know where to begin.”
“Only by being forgiven can we set out again with fresh confidence, after having experienced the joy of being loved by the Father to the full,” he said.
Earlier in the day, Pope Francis met with seminarians and young priests taking part in an internal Vatican forum on formation for the sacrament.
Many perceive the Sacrament of Confession -- and with it a sense of sin -- to be in crisis in the contemporary world, he said, and stressed that the formation of priests is necessary to overcome the crisis and to “offer an ever more qualified service capable of really manifesting the beauty of the Divine Mercy.”
“If we want to be free from evil, we have to make room for the Lord who forgives and heals,” Francis said.
“Evil is strong, it has a seductive power: it attracts and fascinates. Our own efforts are not enough to detach ourselves from it: we need a greater love. Without God, we cannot overcome evil,” he said. “Only his love raises us up from within, only his tender love poured out into our hearts makes us free.”
“This is the heart of Confession: not the sins we declare, but the divine love we receive, of which we are ever in need,” Pope Francis said.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/francis-let-us-restore-confession-to-the-place-it-deserves-in-catholic-life-25641
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on April 24, 2019, 12:36:24 AM
Pope Francis celebrated the feast of his patron St. George – Jorge in Spanish – by giving away rosaries to 6,000 young people from Milan, asking them to pray for him through Mary’s intercession.
The rosaries came from World Youth Day in Panama and were given to the Milanese youth during a Mass celebrated by Archbishop Mario Delpini of Milan in St. Peter’s Basilica Tuesday morning.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-gifts-6000-rosaries-asks-for-prayers-on-name-day-95790 (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-gifts-6000-rosaries-asks-for-prayers-on-name-day-95790)

Will you pray the rosary for Pope Francis?
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on May 06, 2019, 08:20:18 AM
 Pope Francis Wednesday reminded those who think belief in the devil is antiquated or outdated that Satan really exists and that Jesus himself experienced his temptations and overcame them.
“So began the public life of Jesus, with the temptation that comes from Satan. Satan was present,” the pope said May 1.
“Many people say: ‘But why talk about the devil, which is an ancient thing? The devil does not exist.’ But look at what the Gospel teaches you,” Francis emphasized. “Jesus confronted the devil, he was tempted by Satan. But Jesus rejects every temptation and comes out victorious.”
He advised people to remember in their own moments of temptation that “Jesus has already fought this temptation for us.”

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/satan-is-real-pope-francis-says-64486 (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/satan-is-real-pope-francis-says-64486)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: cosmas on May 24, 2019, 10:45:15 PM
Poche, here is a laundry list on all the Great things your hero Pope Francis is doing for the church !


What You Need To Know About
the Man who Claims to be the Pope
(https://novusordowatch.org/wp-content/uploads/francis-stern.png)Mr. Jorge Mario Bergoglio
“Pope Francis”
General Information / Miscellaneous
Bergoglio/Francis and Other Religions
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on May 24, 2019, 11:15:30 PM
And just the other day Pope Francis was talking about how the old Mosaic law was obsolete. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on May 25, 2019, 11:45:48 PM
'Abortion is never the answer' - Pope Francis

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-abortion-is-never-the-answer-91636 (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-abortion-is-never-the-answer-91636)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Pax Vobis on May 26, 2019, 12:26:07 AM
Why do you even come to this site, Poche?  Plenty of pro-novus ordo, pro-Francis sites.  I don’t see how you posting here makes any sense. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Last Tradhican on May 26, 2019, 11:40:01 AM
Quote from: poche on May 24, 2019, 11:15:30 PM
And just the other day Pope Francis was talking about …..
In a country of blind men, the one eyed man is a king. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Last Tradhican on May 26, 2019, 11:47:28 AM
Quote from: poche on March 04, 2019, 04:54:44 AM
Every Good Friday the Pope publicly prays the Stations of the Cross at the Coliseum.
I remember watching once a docuмentary about the garbage dump people in the Philippines, they live off of the garbage at the dump, eating whatever they can find. They followed this 16 year old mother of an infant as she looked for her meal in the morning. She had that day a rotten grapefruit for her only meal.  

Poche is living in the Novus Ordo dump feeding himself from the few scraps of edible waste he can find, and then he comes here to boast of his "finds".
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on June 14, 2019, 12:45:21 AM
Pope Francis just promulgated a decree that rejects gender ideology.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2019-06/vatican-docuмent-on-gender-yes-to-dialogue-no-to-ideology.html (https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2019-06/vatican-docuмent-on-gender-yes-to-dialogue-no-to-ideology.html)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on June 14, 2019, 01:15:54 AM
There is really nothing to dialogue in regards to any mortal sin.  

The Papal visit to USA , Ireland etc should have been used to dialogue which included the spreading of the gospel of Jesus.  Catholic morals and teachings should have been included in the dialogue.  

We pray Pope Frances ditches communism of liberal theology and seeks Jesus and the true faith. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on June 14, 2019, 04:57:48 AM
Quote from: poche on June 14, 2019, 12:45:21 AM
Pope Francis just promulgated a decree that rejects gender ideology.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2019-06/vatican-docuмent-on-gender-yes-to-dialogue-no-to-ideology.html (https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2019-06/vatican-docuмent-on-gender-yes-to-dialogue-no-to-ideology.html)
Poche, do you ever wonder why your pope doesn’t just come right out and condemn this stuff as plainly evil and that it is (and has always been) contrary to Catholic teaching? I’ll tell you why, because he’s for it. He’s pushing this satanic agenda at just the right pace for it to be absorbed by it’s willing and unwilling dupes. Two steps forward, one step back.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Meg on June 14, 2019, 08:52:16 AM
Quote from: poche on June 14, 2019, 12:45:21 AM
Pope Francis just promulgated a decree that rejects gender ideology.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2019-06/vatican-docuмent-on-gender-yes-to-dialogue-no-to-ideology.html (https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2019-06/vatican-docuмent-on-gender-yes-to-dialogue-no-to-ideology.html)

It gives a mild and tame defense of Church teaching. That's not what is needed in today's radically leftist society, where those who strive to uphold proper Church teaching are often persecuted for their efforts.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Alexandria on June 14, 2019, 11:29:24 AM
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on June 14, 2019, 04:57:48 AM
Poche, do you ever wonder why your pope doesn’t just come right out and condemn this stuff as plainly evil and that it is (and has always been) contrary to Catholic teaching? I’ll tell you why, because he’s for it. He’s pushing this satanic agenda at just the right pace for it to be absorbed by it’s willing and unwilling dupes. Two steps forward, one step back.
:cheers:
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on June 14, 2019, 10:44:14 PM
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on June 14, 2019, 04:57:48 AM
Poche, do you ever wonder why your pope doesn’t just come right out and condemn this stuff as plainly evil and that it is (and has always been) contrary to Catholic teaching? I’ll tell you why, because he’s for it. He’s pushing this satanic agenda at just the right pace for it to be absorbed by it’s willing and unwilling dupes. Two steps forward, one step back.
I thought he was condemning it.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on June 14, 2019, 10:53:10 PM
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on June 14, 2019, 01:15:54 AM
There is really nothing to dialogue in regards to any mortal sin.  

The Papal visit to USA , Ireland etc should have been used to dialogue which included the spreading of the gospel of Jesus.  Catholic morals and teachings should have been included in the dialogue.  

We pray Pope Frances ditches communism of liberal theology and seeks Jesus and the true faith.
Dialog with regard to mortal sin is about saying that it is wrong. Don't do it!!! Part of the dialog is to say why it is wrong.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Nadir on June 15, 2019, 02:39:55 AM
Quote from: poche on June 14, 2019, 10:53:10 PM
Dialog with regard to mortal sin is about saying that it is wrong. Don't do it!!! Part of the dialog is to say why it is wrong.
Poche, can you quote the bit wher he mentions "mortal sin".
The article you linked is a whole load of codswallop produced by the Congregation for Catholic Education. Why do you give so much importance to this gobbledegook? It's not good for the mind.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on June 15, 2019, 04:05:05 AM
Quote from: poche on June 14, 2019, 10:44:14 PM
I thought he was condemning it.
That nonsense didn’t condemn anything, if I’m mistaken, please point it out to me.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on June 15, 2019, 05:41:50 AM
Poche,

Read this:https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/from-catholic-to-neo-pagan-sex-education-expert-offers-searing-critique-of-new-vatican-doc-on-gender-theory (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/from-catholic-to-neo-pagan-sex-education-expert-offers-searing-critique-of-new-vatican-doc-on-gender-theory)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: King Wenceslas on June 19, 2019, 06:23:05 PM
Quote from: poche on June 14, 2019, 12:45:21 AM
Pope Francis just promulgated a decree that rejects gender ideology.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2019-06/vatican-docuмent-on-gender-yes-to-dialogue-no-to-ideology.html (https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2019-06/vatican-docuмent-on-gender-yes-to-dialogue-no-to-ideology.html)

As usual Francis shows everything he touches comes out heresy:

ROME, June 14, 2019 (LifeSiteNews (https://www.lifesitenews.com/catholic)) — A Catholic psychologist has denounced the latest Vatican docuмent on gender theory as containing “not one sentence of sound advice for parents who try to educate their children towards the virtues necessary for a Christian life.”
In a searing critique, Dr. Gerard J.M. van den Aardweg, a Dutch psychologist and psychoanalyst specializing in the treatment of persons with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies, condemned the recent Vatican docuмent on gender theory, saying “the aggressive neo-pagan sɛҳuąƖ ideology of the world has no wisdom we might share. The task of the Church is not dialoguing but teaching and correcting, there is a relentless spiritual war going on in the field of sɛҳuąƖity, marriage, and the family.”

LifeSite: Dr. van den Aardweg, what are your general impressions of the Vatican’s new docuмent on gender theory?

Dr. van den Aardweg: Basically, it is an ideological docuмent. It is not specifically Catholic, in spite of some lip service. It essentially makes a plea for a kind of atheist-humanist/socialist sex education, presented as more or less Catholic. It gushes over the boons of a social model of sɛҳuąƖ education monitored by “professional experts” on the basis of naively supposed ever-deepening insights into sɛҳuąƖity in the current human sciences. It represents the kind of illusionary and sentimental talk about education and “affectivity” characteristic of the immature and superficial humanistic psychology of the 1960s, but now proclaimed as ‘higher wisdom’ by a Vatican Congregation whose members run half a century behind the times. It is ‘dialogue’ and ‘listening’ and ‘openness’ all over again. But no listening to the divine teachings of the Catholic Church on sɛҳuąƖity, marriage and the family (for these seem in need of ‘restructuring’). Teaching and preaching them to a pagan world is not, it seems, the way forward. The great dream is an “alliance” with the neo-paganism of the sɛҳuąƖ, marriage, and family ideology of the UN and the anti-Christian EU countries.

“Listening.” Well, listening attentively to the docuмent’s vague and ambiguous formulations and suggestions in order to discern what it drives at, one can discern its lead motive: revolutionary change.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: King Wenceslas on June 20, 2019, 10:34:19 AM

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The relativization of the unpopular Biblical view of man-woman relationships and social “roles,” in apparent support of feminist (and gαy?) indignation, also appears in the glib contention about “unjust discrimination,” which is “a sad fact of history” also “within the Church.” The Church would have violated the “equal dignity of men and women” in consequence of a “masculinist [sic] mentality veiled by religious motives.” If this is not a sneer at the Catholic teaching about man as the head and woman as the heart of the family, and the woman’s duty to obey her husband etc., what else is being suggested? Or, looked at from a different angle, who can believe the authors of this text are still capable of transmitting the unchangeable divine teachings of the Apostles, St. Augustine, and the Popes Leo XIII and Pius XI? Probably, these authors, blinded by the spirit of the times (Zeitgeist), do not even understand them anymore, nor do they seem to know and understand the correct anthropological and psychological insight of St. Edith Stein that “woman is by nature mother and the companion of the man.” For any Catholic who knows and understands this truth would have made it the cornerstone of a discourse on the equal value of man and woman. 


So poche pushes the narrative that everything is okay in the Vatican under Francis and it turns out the latest docuмent pushes for joining of the current world Zeitgeist and the Church. The mass confusion has commenced and the darkness will only get deeper.

The Sheppard (Benedict) has been struck and the sheep are being scattered. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on June 20, 2019, 11:12:42 PM
Poche is saying that like Pope St Pius X dialogued with Herzl so must we all dialog with the pagan world in which we live. And just as Pope St Pius said an emphatic "no!" to Herzl when he suggested something that his holiness thought unreasonable, so must we also say an emphatic "no!" to gender ideology.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: MiserereMeiDeus on June 21, 2019, 02:20:18 PM
Pius X never dialogued with Herzl. Here's an account of their meeting: https://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2014/05/saint-pius-x-and-theodore-herzl-gesture.html (https://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2014/05/saint-pius-x-and-theodore-herzl-gesture.html) He spoke to Herzl, and what he said was "No."

Dialoguing is a process that facilitates the Hegelian dialectic, and is utterly nonCatholic. In a dialogue the Newchurch antipope says "Christ's people are wonderful" and the pagan person says "Buggery is wonderful.," and the final result is a mealy-mouthed mess that in essence says "Christ's people and buggery are wonderful." That's dialoguing, and it is NOT Catholic.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on June 24, 2019, 08:41:50 AM
Quote from: MiserereMeiDeus on June 21, 2019, 02:20:18 PM
Pius X never dialogued with Herzl. Here's an account of their meeting: https://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2014/05/saint-pius-x-and-theodore-herzl-gesture.html (https://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2014/05/saint-pius-x-and-theodore-herzl-gesture.html) He spoke to Herzl, and what he said was "No."

Dialoguing is a process that facilitates the Hegelian dialectic, and is utterly nonCatholic. In a dialogue the Newchurch antipope says "Christ's people are wonderful" and the pagan person says "Buggery is wonderful.," and the final result is a mealy-mouthed mess that in essence says "Christ's people and buggery are wonderful." That's dialoguing, and it is NOT Catholic.
And that is what we need. In the dialog we will say to the sinner, "We love you. We hate that sin that you do."
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: MiserereMeiDeus on June 24, 2019, 06:27:34 PM
When "Francis" says, of sodomy, "Who am I to judge?" and promotes and protects known perverts, only an insane person would imagine he would say he hates the sin.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on June 27, 2019, 06:11:33 AM
Much of the problem at the border is because of Pope Francis:

“The pope is profoundly saddened by their death, and is praying for them and for all migrants who have lost their lives while seeking to flee war and misery,” continued the statement signed by the director ad interim of the Vatican’s press office, Alessandro Gisotti

However,  the victims of the drowning weren’t fleeing war and misery.  

Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on June 27, 2019, 11:31:17 PM
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on June 27, 2019, 06:11:33 AM
Much of the problem at the border is because of Pope Francis:

“The pope is profoundly saddened by their death, and is praying for them and for all migrants who have lost their lives while seeking to flee war and misery,” continued the statement signed by the director ad interim of the Vatican’s press office, Alessandro Gisotti

However,  the victims of the drowning weren’t fleeing war and misery.  
When Pope Francis went to Mexico he laid the blame where it was, with the Mexican elite who misrule and mismanage their economy and their people so that they feel that they have to search for a life elsewhere.   
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on June 28, 2019, 05:37:23 AM
http://choosing-him.blogspot.com/2019/03/francis-promotes-pervert-everyone-just.html (http://choosing-him.blogspot.com/2019/03/francis-promotes-pervert-everyone-just.html)

Pope Francis promotes pervert
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on June 28, 2019, 05:51:17 AM
I have witnessed the Pope for myself when he came to America.  The Papal visit was really about pushing sodomy.  
He planned a meeting with his former student and his butt buddie long before the trip to USA.  Dc “the blessing to people” was not normal.  He failed to mention that unbelievers should turn to Jesus. 
During Papal visit he had a chance to talk to defend life and the holy Sacrament of marriage but he didn’t. 
During Philly Papal appearance sodomy was promoted and at there was incidents behind the scenes.  In NYC they used an openly practicing celebrity Sodomist as a lecture.  His actions or lack of speak for itself.  He has praised and even given medals to known abortionists.  



Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on June 28, 2019, 05:53:24 AM
And how many times has the stations of the cross especially at world youth day events have been corrupted with sodomy with papal approval. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on June 28, 2019, 05:58:12 AM
https://youtu.be/TrzrBjVDz6s (https://youtu.be/TrzrBjVDz6s)

Mother Angelica defends the faith...
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on June 28, 2019, 06:02:33 AM
We are dealing with the smoke of satan coming from Rome.  

The evil influence of Satan was evident in the highest ranks of the Catholic hierarchy, with "cardinals who do not believe in Jesus and bishops who are linked to the demon," Father Amorth said.  ( Father Amorth was an exorcist)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on June 28, 2019, 06:29:41 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/pope-francis-praises-mexico-welcoming-102026244.html (https://news.yahoo.com/pope-francis-praises-mexico-welcoming-102026244.html)

Poche.  Wake up.  Pope Francis is a communist pushing the evil agendas of the United Nations and devil worshippers  He says one thing and yet does another.  He praises Mexico  
While constantly publicly criticizing President Trump.  I didn’t hear anything from Pope Francis  condemning the leaders of countries where the people are fleeing from.   Pope Francis even does more to promote Islam then Catholicism.  Pope Francis is a man who condones and promotes mortal sin.  Yes, Jesus hung out with sinners but He advised to sin no more.  Poche, I was born and raised in novus ordo.  It was the church which started with my past sins instead of leading me towards heaven.  They don’t care about the poor either.  I know.  They have helped create the poor.  Don’t be a fool.  Stop defending man and choose Jesus.  Open up your Douay Rheim’s Bible.  There is only one God and that is Jesus.

Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on June 28, 2019, 06:41:19 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Youth_Day_1993 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Youth_Day_1993)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on June 28, 2019, 06:43:11 AM
The event was criticized on the Catholic Television station EWTN (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EWTN). In a 1993 episode of Mother Angelica Live, Mother Angelica (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Angelica) harshly criticized a mimed (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mime_artist) re-enactment of the Stations of the Cross (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_Cross) at the World Youth Day in Denver (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver), Colorado (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado), which was attended by Pope John Paul II (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_II). Mother Angelica was particularly upset that a woman was playing Jesus.[3] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Youth_Day_1993#cite_note-3)Archbishop Rembert Weakland (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rembert_Weakland) of the Archdiocese of Milwaukee (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Archdiocese_of_Milwaukee) called Mother Angelica's comments "...one of the most disgraceful, un-Christian, offensive, and divisive diatribes I have ever heard".[4] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Youth_Day_1993#cite_note-4) Mother Angelica responded by saying, "He didn't think a woman playing Jesus was offensive? He can go put his head in the back toilet as far as I am concerned!"[5] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Youth_Day_1993#cite_note-5)


(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_Youth_Day_1993&action=edit&section=4)

Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: OHCA on July 04, 2019, 11:11:42 PM
Quote from: poche on June 14, 2019, 12:45:21 AM
Pope Francis just promulgated a decree that rejects gender ideology.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2019-06/vatican-docuмent-on-gender-yes-to-dialogue-no-to-ideology.html (https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2019-06/vatican-docuмent-on-gender-yes-to-dialogue-no-to-ideology.html)
His acceptance of NWO sex education is the clearest and most telling thing in this piece.  Any alleged rejection is overshadowed by the pansy-speak about mutual respect, not bullying, and etc. Luciferian inclusive hogwash.

When I saw this thread titled “Frank Said...,” I was expecting a collage of things like “Who am I to judge?”  “Proselytizing is solemn nonsense.”  “Trivial social issues.”  “Breeding like rabbits.”  “I see communism in the Church.”  And an assortment of things indicating his lack of any sort of Catholic notion regarding the Holy Trinity, the purity of Mary, etc.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on July 04, 2019, 11:39:32 PM
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on June 28, 2019, 06:29:41 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/pope-francis-praises-mexico-welcoming-102026244.html (https://news.yahoo.com/pope-francis-praises-mexico-welcoming-102026244.html)

Poche.  Wake up.  Pope Francis is a communist pushing the evil agendas of the United Nations and devil worshippers  He says one thing and yet does another.  He praises Mexico  
While constantly publicly criticizing President Trump.  I didn’t hear anything from Pope Francis  condemning the leaders of countries where the people are fleeing from.   Pope Francis even does more to promote Islam then Catholicism.  Pope Francis is a man who condones and promotes mortal sin.  Yes, Jesus hung out with sinners but He advised to sin no more.  Poche, I was born and raised in novus ordo.  It was the church which started with my past sins instead of leading me towards heaven.  They don’t care about the poor either.  I know.  They have helped create the poor.  Don’t be a fool.  Stop defending man and choose Jesus.  Open up your Douay Rheim’s Bible.  There is only one God and that is Jesus.
When Pope Francis was in Mexico he condemned their elite for the mismanagement and corruption of the economy that hs caused so many people to leave.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on July 04, 2019, 11:41:20 PM
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on June 28, 2019, 06:43:11 AM
The event was criticized on the Catholic Television station EWTN (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EWTN). In a 1993 episode of Mother Angelica Live, Mother Angelica (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Angelica) harshly criticized a mimed (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mime_artist) re-enactment of the Stations of the Cross (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_Cross) at the World Youth Day in Denver (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver), Colorado (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado), which was attended by Pope John Paul II (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_II). Mother Angelica was particularly upset that a woman was playing Jesus.[3] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Youth_Day_1993#cite_note-3)Archbishop Rembert Weakland (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rembert_Weakland) of the Archdiocese of Milwaukee (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Archdiocese_of_Milwaukee) called Mother Angelica's comments "...one of the most disgraceful, un-Christian, offensive, and divisive diatribes I have ever heard".[4] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Youth_Day_1993#cite_note-4) Mother Angelica responded by saying, "He didn't think a woman playing Jesus was offensive? He can go put his head in the back toilet as far as I am concerned!"[5] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Youth_Day_1993#cite_note-5)


(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_Youth_Day_1993&action=edit&section=4)
I saw that criticism live. It was the first time Dad sent any television personality any money.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on August 17, 2019, 01:17:02 AM
Any political action or legislative initiative aimed at “b re a c h i n g ” the inviolability of the sacramental seal would constitute an unacceptable offense against libertas Ecclesiae, which does not receive its legitimacy from individual States, but from God; it would also constitute a violation of religious freedom, legally fundamental to all other freedoms, including the
freedom of conscience of individual citizens, both penitents and confessors. Breaking the seal would be tantamount to violating the wretched man within the sinner.



http://www.osservatoreromano.va/vaticanresources/pdf/ING_2019_033_1608.pdf (http://www.osservatoreromano.va/vaticanresources/pdf/ING_2019_033_1608.pdf)


Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on August 20, 2019, 12:33:31 AM
Pope Francis said Sunday that prayer in adoration of God and service to others spreads the fire of God’s love, changing the world one heart at a time.
“I invite everyone to discover the beauty of the prayer of adoration and to exercise it often,” Pope Francis said Aug. 18.
Adoration of God in prayer is necessary to allow the fire of love that Jesus brought to the earth to envelop our entire existence, the pope explained.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-discover-the-beauty-of-prayer-in-adoration-72637 (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-discover-the-beauty-of-prayer-in-adoration-72637)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on August 21, 2019, 04:57:41 PM
That is really weird and modern Church & Crucifix.   Very scary.  


https://youtu.be/OhGrpbHD2vg (https://youtu.be/OhGrpbHD2vg)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Simple on August 21, 2019, 05:12:51 PM
Anytime that affemient front man is named I think about how these creeps will be punished for their evils.   A" high-profile prison homicide was that of former priest John Geoghan, who was strangled (https://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/24/us/abusive-ex-priest-is-killed-in-prison.html) and stomped to death by another inmate in a Massachusetts facility in 2003."
Yes we're watching.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on August 22, 2019, 12:58:20 AM
Quote from: Simple on August 21, 2019, 05:12:51 PM
Anytime that affemient front man is named I think about how these creeps will be punished for their evils.   A" high-profile prison homicide was that of former priest John Geoghan, who was strangled (https://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/24/us/abusive-ex-priest-is-killed-in-prison.html) and stomped to death by another inmate in a Massachusetts facility in 2003."
Yes we're watching.
I understand that his legal case was still on appeal at the time of his murder. Because of that, the murder caused him to die legally an innocent man, technically according to the law. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on September 14, 2019, 12:04:18 AM
Fidelity to tradition ensures a fruitful future, Pope Francis said in a meeting Thursday with a contemplative-missionary community rooted in the spirituality of St. Augustine.
“To be modern, some believe that it is necessary to break away from the roots. And this is their ruin, because the roots, the tradition, are the guarantee of the future,” Pope Francis said Sept. 12.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-tradition-is-the-guarantee-of-the-future-11255 (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-tradition-is-the-guarantee-of-the-future-11255)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on September 14, 2019, 07:31:57 AM
Señor Bergoglio said that Jesus Christ sinned and made Himself the devil.

https://www.antoniosocci.com/bergoglio-arriva-ad-affermare-chiesa-gesu-si-diavolo-tutti-fanno-finta-nulla-la-sua-strategia/ (https://www.antoniosocci.com/bergoglio-arriva-ad-affermare-chiesa-gesu-si-diavolo-tutti-fanno-finta-nulla-la-sua-strategia/)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on September 14, 2019, 10:25:33 PM
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on February 28, 2019, 01:55:22 AM
Douay-Rheims Bible (https://biblehub.com/drb/galatians/1.htm)
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema  Galatians 1:8.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on September 15, 2019, 03:14:46 AM
Pope Francis said that Catholic Tradition is the guarantee of the future.   
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on September 15, 2019, 03:49:54 AM
тαℓмυdic scuм­

 
“As regular readers of [Call Me Jorge (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/)] know, Francis is into all things Judaic, especially Chasidism.  Their doctrines creep out here and there in Francis’ sermons and docuмents.  One of the things which Francis does with regularity is to invert the teachings of the Church.  An example of this is the use of the term ‘pharisee’ which he applies to his enemies, who are not open to тαℓмυdic Judaism and Francis’ anti-Catholic machinations.  Another example is his favorite blasphemous painting, White Crucifixion (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.is/2014/05/update-on-white-crucifixion.html).  Francis shows his hand, when he inverts Catholic doctrine, as a modernist change agent (https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2014/12/modernists-are-really-traditionalists.html) who is simply following the dictates of ‘The Rebbe’ to be (https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/03/noahide-proselytizing-rabbi-riskin.html), “modern on the outside and Chabad on the inside.” One of the most blatant examples is Francis teaching (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/01/where-francis-doctrine-originates.html) the тαℓмυdic formula: Yeridah Tzorech Aliyah (“descent for sake of ascent”).  This teaching simply means that one has to descend into sin, which paradoxically has a positive status in Hasidism, in order to ascend to new heights.  This is done because the god of тαℓмυdic Judaism is one of opposites — a hermaphrodite god (https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/06/vatican-instills-double-mind.html) of good/evil.  In the Hasidic lore, tzaddiks (saints or righteous people) wrestle not with evil but with goodness as they descend into sin in this process in order to ascend into righteousness.  Yeridah Tzorech Aliyah is one of the foundational beliefs of Orthodox тαℓмυdic Judaism along with Tikkun Olam.  In the later belief the rabbis have the chutzpah to state that God made creation imperfect and the тαℓмυdic Jews are to correct his work.
 
“The Hasidism of Francis’ mind is also shown when he says such things as (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/04/francis-gnostic-gospel.html), “[Jesus] made himself the devil” and (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/03/another-day-another-blasphemous-joke.html) “the Holy Trinity [is] arguing behind closed doors but on the outside they give the picture of unity.”  Who else sees Jesus as a devil or God as a bunch of arguing rabbis other than a тαℓмυdist?  Whether he is parroting the ideas of Heschel (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/01/reading-francis-through-heschel.html), Levinas (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-hermeneutics-of-тαℓмυdic-alchemical.html), Buber (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/06/francis-kabbalistic-gnostic-god-man.html), Wiesel (https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2016/07/elie-wiesel-pope-francis-rich-orthodox.html), a dead rebbe from the Steppes (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/01/francis-hasidic-concept-of-god-of.html), or having over rabbis as guests (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/09/how-many-books-on-тαℓмυdic-judaism-does.html) who often gift him with books (Gluck (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/05/francis-adds-copy-of-mystic-tales-from.html) & Steinsaltz (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2016/12/guess-who-had-private-audience-with.html)) there’s an excellent chance it’s comes from the Baal Shem Tov and his cult in one manner or another.
 
“In the video clip below (http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/1489509/Jєωιѕн/Moving-Back-to-Move-Forward.htm) the late Chabad Lubavitcher rabbi, Menachem Mendel Schneerson, explains why Hasids should descend (into sin) in order to ascend — they are hunters getting ready to kill their prey.  Another late Chasidic rabbi, Abraham Heschel (of Vatican II’s Nostra Aetate), in a 1965 interview with Ma'ariv explained exactly whom the prey were (https://books.google.com/books?id=MYHmbLAm_csC&pg=PA272&lpg=PA272&dq=I+want+to+attack+their+souls.+Today,+there+is+no+longer+any+place+for+religious+wars+as+such.&source=bl&ots=UNNbhGeVdI&sig=YQlapT5ywlHGEbSM0bXgdN_MkaI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9hGoVOLRJtWzyAT0yoCYAw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=I%20want%20to%20attack%20their%20souls.%20Today%2C%20there%20is%20no%20longer%20any%20place%20for%20religious%20wars%20as%20such.&f=false), “There are those who would like to attack [Christians’] bodies. I want to attack their souls.”  The elevation which takes place is one which will incorporate the prey’s soul into the of cult тαℓмυdic Judaism and worship of their demonic hermaphrodite god.   It’s a total inversion of Catholicism, the religion instituted by Jesus the Christ.  So why is Francis teaching it (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/01/where-francis-doctrine-originates.html)?”
 
the Rebbe explains the Hasidic stratagem of “descent for sake of ascent”
https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-rebbe-explains-hasidic-stratagem-of.html (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-rebbe-explains-hasidic-stratagem-of.html)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on September 15, 2019, 03:51:44 AM
Bomb
Socci: "That devil of Jesus", word of Pope Bergoglio
7 April 2017


(https://www.liberoquotidiano.it/resizer/610/-1/true/1491593288059.jpg--socci___quel_diavolo_di_gesu___parola_di_papa_bergoglio_.jpg?1491593298000)

In the Church many have their hands in their hair, because things that have never been seen are happening. There have been popes of all kinds in two thousand years, but a pope had never happened in the church who, in the homily of the Mass, utters phrases that - in the mouth of anyone else - would be considered blasphemy. The otherriers, for example, pope Bergoglio, in Santa Marta, came up with an expression that must have frozen the listeners (even if then nobody has the courage to say anything).

Commenting - in a totally absurd way - on the biblical passage of the serpent raised by Moses in the desert (Numbers 21, 4-9), he affirmed that Jesus "became sin, made himself a devil, a serpent for us". Textual. But how can we say that Jesus "became a devil"?

Jesus, for Christian doctrine, took upon himself the sins of all, paying for everyone as a sacrificial lamb without blemish, so that St. Paul writes: "He who had not known sin, God treated him as sin in our favor, because we we could become God's righteousness through him "(2 Cor 5:21).

But to say that Jesus "became a devil" is something completely different (with a gnostic flavor). The Son of God became man to redeem men, he did not become a devil to redeem the devils, who, I remember, are totally connoted by the inextinguishable hatred of God (it is unimaginable for a Pope to say such a thing about Jesus).

Lost - There is now a long series of sortie of this kind with which Bergoglio has long bombed the poor flock of increasingly disconcerted and bewildered Christians. To Eugenio Scalfari he declared that "there is no Catholic God". On 16 June 2016, opening the Conference of the Diocese of Rome, in the Basilica of San Giovanni in Laterano, he came out stating that Jesus, in the episode of the adulteress, "is a bit of a fool". Then he added that Jesus - always in the episode in which he saved the woman from stoning - "has failed towards morality" (this text too). Finally, even that Jesus was not "clean" (it is not known that he meant).

Add to this the "magisterium of gestures", such as the fact that in greeting the faithful he never makes with the hand the sign of the cross, or his obstinate refusal to kneel before the tabernacle and before Jesus the Eucharist (while he kneels in a whole series of other occasions in which there is no Eucharist).

Various other shots could be added, above all on questions concerning morals, for example always in Scalfari he said that «each of us has his own vision of the Good and also of the Evil. We must incite him to proceed towards what he thinks is Good "(a perfect manifesto of relativism, the end of Catholicism).

But what is most striking is the progressiveness of the increasingly unheard-of statements about Jesus, culminating in the sentence of the day before yesterday ("he became a devil"). What explanations can be found? The first that comes to mind is theological ignorance. True, Pope Bergoglio is not culturally equipped and is one of the few people who came to the cardinalate and then to the papacy without a doctorate in theology. But above all, if one is so unprepared in theology and so imprudent as to make declarations on the verge of blasphemy, it is good that he does not hold the highest office (even doctrinal) of the Church because it would be like putting a boy, who does not even know how to drive a car , to pilot a Boeing. Or at least it is good that you do not speak in arm.

Secondly, the lack of theological qualifications does not explain such disconcerting statements, because one can take any parish priest of Christianity who has only done the seminary (without other titles), and certainly will never say such things. Not even one who simply attended the Catechism. The fact is that Bergoglio literally theorized "incomplete thought". And those who continue to have a solid thought are disqualified as doctrinaire, fundamentalist and rigorous. He declared this in an interview with Father Spadaro criticizing the past learned of the Jesuits: "epochs (in which) in the company" he said "a closed, rigid, more instructive-ascetic than mystical thought was lived". Then in Evangelii Gaudium he took it upon "those who dream of a monolithic doctrine defended by all without nuances" (n. 40). And finally he wrote: "Sometimes, listening to a completely orthodox language, what the faithful receive, because of the language they use and understand, is something that does not correspond to the true Gospel of Jesus Christ" (n. 41).

Today we have the first pope who - instead of being the Custodian of doctrinal orthodoxy - criticizes the "completely orthodox language". According to some, he does it to justify the goodies he says and wants to continue to spread. But this stubborn will, which has been constant for four years now, suggests that there is a systematic decision to deconstruct Catholic doctrine or at least subject it to such delegitimization as to make the idea pass, in the Christian people, that everyone can say, think and believe what he wants. It is the empire of relativism. Indeed a Barnum Circus. But, perhaps, to fully understand what is happening, it is good to remember the "dramatic struggle" in the Church, of which he spoke, a year ago, at the Pontifical Gregorian University, Msgr. Georg Gaenswein, secretary of Benedict XVI, about the 2005 Conclave, which led to the election of card. Ratzinger, to whom the then card was opposed Bergoglio, supported by progressives.

Clash - Gaenswein evoked precisely the Conclave of April 2005 "from which Joseph Ratzinger, after one of the shortest elections in the history of the Church, came out elected after only four ballots following a dramatic struggle between the so-called" Salt Party of the Earth " (Salt of Earth Party) around cardinals López Trujíllo, Ruini, Herranz, Rouco Varela or Medina and the so-called St. Gall Group around cardinals Danneels, Martini, Silvestrini or Murphy-O 'Connor () The election was certainly the result also of a clash, the key of which had almost provided Ratzinger himself as cardinal dean, in the historic homily of 18 April 2005 in St. Peter's; and precisely there where "a dictatorship of relativism that recognizes nothing as definitive and leaves only its own ego and desires as its last measure" had contrasted another measure: "the Son of God and true man" like "the measure of true humanism "". Gaenswein then added that at present the mentality that Benedict XVI had opposed is prevailing and "the" dictatorship of relativism "has long been expressed in an overwhelming way through the many channels of new media that could barely be imagined in 2005" . Words that make us understand what drama is going on inside the Church today. One of the greatest living Catholic philosophers, Robert Spaemann, a personal friend of Benedict XVI, thundered some time ago on Die Tagespost with an article with an eloquent title: "Even in the Church there is a limit to tolerability".

Another important Catholic philosopher, Josef Seifert, a collaborator of John Paul II and Benedict XVI, intervened with very harsh criticism, which motivated him thus: «the Pope is not infallible if he does not speak ex cathedra. Various Popes (like Formosus and Honorius I) were condemned for heresy. And it is our holy duty - out of love and mercy towards so many souls - to criticize our bishops and even our dear Pope, if they deviate from the truth and if their mistakes damage the Church and souls ». Such an explosive situation in the Church had never been seen.

  Antonio Socci
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on September 15, 2019, 03:54:20 AM



(http://judaism.is/images/bergoglio%20admiring%20white%20crucifixion.jpg?crc=371161507)

dishonorable mention
Francis and the Shekinah
http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2014/05/francis-shekinah.html (http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2014/05/francis-shekinah.html)

another dishonorable mention for the destroyer
"subsisting in" the Chair of Peter
Francis favorite 1938 modernist painting, “White Crucifixion” by the Byelorussian Jєωιѕн painter Moishe Zakharovich Shagal (“Marc Chagall”), not only depicts Jesus as a Chassidic Jew but also contains the common Jєωιѕн insult on the Holy Name of Jesus. The Hebrew use of “Yeshu” (ישו) in Chagall’s blasphemy is a Jєωιѕн mockery of Jesus’ actual Hebrew name “Yeschua” (ישוע). Yeshu is a Hebrew acronym for
“May his name and memory be blotted out.”

Some “Pope”!

http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2014/05/update-on-white-crucifixion.html (http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2014/05/update-on-white-crucifixion.html)

Detail from the “Pope’s” favorite painting:

(http://judaism.is/images/yeschu%20closeup.jpg?crc=258007472)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on September 15, 2019, 08:31:30 AM
Jews equal communism.  Pope is a communist. Many in Rome won’t even say the Holy Name Jesus.  

There should be the same protests at Rome like the ones we did outside our evil dioceses and parishes.  These evil people should be run out of there.  Many of these parishes are just elaborate theatre productions.  

Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on September 15, 2019, 05:36:45 PM
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on September 15, 2019, 08:31:30 AM
Jews equal communism.  Pope is a communist. Many in Rome won’t even say the Holy Name Jesus.  

There should be the same protests at Rome like the ones we did outside our evil dioceses and parishes.  These evil people should be run out of there.  Many of these parishes are just elaborate theatre productions.  
Ashamed of the Cross
 
Another sad day for Catholics
 
Pope Francis bows to his Antichrist тαℓмυdic boss (http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2015/09/pope-francis-shows-whos-boss.html)
 
(http://judaism.is/images/pope%20bows%20to%20antichrist.jpg?crc=397555791)
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More on the тαℓмυdic Jewess (Rivka Ravitz) Francis bowed to while covering his pectoral cross (http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/09/more-on-тαℓмυdic-jewess-rivka-ravitz.html)
 
It is a habit with him.
 
 
“For he that shall be ashamed of me, and of my words, in this adulterous and sinful generation: the Son of man also will be ashamed of him, when he shall come in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”
Mark 8:38 (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=48&ch=8&l=38#x)
 
“For he that shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him the Son of man shall be ashamed, when he shall come in his majesty, and that of his Father, and of the holy angels.”
Luke 9:26 (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=9&l=26#x)
 
 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on September 15, 2019, 08:35:58 PM
And yet he won’t make an effort to genuflect when in the presence of our Lord in the tabernacle.  
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on September 15, 2019, 08:52:29 PM
Quote from: poche on September 15, 2019, 03:14:46 AM
Pope Francis said that Catholic Tradition is the guarantee of the future.  
And Ted Bundy said: ‘Do you need a lift home? Hop into my car.’ Bergoglio is a Communist, he doesn’t care if he lies as long as he gets what he wants. The ends justify the means.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on September 16, 2019, 03:59:42 AM
http://realnewsrightnow.com/2017/02/pope-francis-orders-vatican-archives-reveal-gods-name-ending-centuries-secrecy/ (http://realnewsrightnow.com/2017/02/pope-francis-orders-vatican-archives-reveal-gods-name-ending-centuries-secrecy/)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on September 16, 2019, 04:06:45 AM
https://youtu.be/96XomUiSBzg (https://youtu.be/96XomUiSBzg)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on September 16, 2019, 10:52:39 AM
Of course Señor "Jesus made Himself the devil" Bergoglio is feeding into тαℓмυdic/kabbalistic/chasidic superstition.

The Jews believe that the name is magical, that God created the universe by speaking His "true" name, and that the rabbis can un-make the universe by speaking this "true" name backwards.

Among themselves they are quite free promoting the occult, while they pose publicly as opponents.

тαℓмυdic Judaism has much pagan baggage: http://judaism.is/paganism.html 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on September 17, 2019, 06:24:49 AM

Liberation theology (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology), articulated in the teachings of Latin American Catholic theologians Leonardo Boff (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_Boff) and Gustavo Gutiérrez (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustavo_Guti%C3%A9rrez), emphasizes that Jesus came not only to save humanity, but also to liberate the poor and oppressed. A similar movement among the Latin American evangelical movement is Integral Mission, where the church is seen as an agent for positively transforming the wider world, in response to the good news.[11] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_gospel#cite_note-11) This can likewise be seen in black theology (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_theology) of certain African and African American Christians.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on September 20, 2019, 06:55:41 AM
Pray for Pope Francis to convert back to Christianity and the true faith.  
Jesus Christ Now and forever. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on September 25, 2019, 04:37:02 AM
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on September 15, 2019, 08:52:29 PM
And Ted Bundy said: ‘Do you need a lift home? Hop into my car.’ Bergoglio is a Communist, he doesn’t care if he lies as long as he gets what he wants. The ends justify the means.
So, am I to understand you correctly that you disagree with Pope Francis when he says that Tradition is a guarantee for the future? You do not believe that fidelity to authentic Catholic tradition is a guarantee of the future?
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: MiserereMeiDeus on September 25, 2019, 02:50:33 PM
Quote from: poche on September 25, 2019, 04:37:02 AM
So, am I to understand you correctly that you disagree with Pope Francis when he says that Tradition is a guarantee for the future? You do not believe that fidelity to authentic Catholic tradition is a guarantee of the future?
"Francis" wouldn't recognize authentic Catholic tradition if it bit him on his hind end. He is a liar and a heretic, if not a full-blown apostate. He's certainly not the pope -- as an absolute minimum requirement, one has to at least be Catholic to be a pope, which disqualifies "The Destroyer" right out of the starting block.

I have a question for you, poche. Has your brain function ever been evaluated by a competent medical specialist? You seem to have a lot of trouble thinking clearly. Unless, of course, you're a troll and making idiotic statements on purpose.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on October 07, 2019, 10:39:26 AM
Pope Francis said, "Together you can devote yourselves better to song as an integral part of the Liturgy, with Gregorian chant inspiring you as the first model. Take care together for artistic and liturgical preparation, and promote the presence of the schola cantorum in every parish community."

http://www.chantcafe.com/2019/09/pope-francis-take-gregorian-chant-as-the-first-model-of-sacred-music/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook (http://www.chantcafe.com/2019/09/pope-francis-take-gregorian-chant-as-the-first-model-of-sacred-music/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on October 07, 2019, 12:05:58 PM
Quote from: poche on October 07, 2019, 10:39:26 AM
Pope Francis said, "Together you can devote yourselves better to song as an integral part of the Liturgy, with Gregorian chant inspiring you as the first model. Take care together for artistic and liturgical preparation, and promote the presence of the schola cantorum in every parish community."

http://www.chantcafe.com/2019/09/pope-francis-take-gregorian-chant-as-the-first-model-of-sacred-music/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook (http://www.chantcafe.com/2019/09/pope-francis-take-gregorian-chant-as-the-first-model-of-sacred-music/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook)

Señor Jorge said, "Jesus made himself sin and made himself the devil."


(https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fnovusordowatch.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Ffrancis-devil.jpg&sp=3a600f70617b60aec53a0d47f77f5c9d)
(https://novusordowatch.org/wp-content/uploads/libero-socci-2017-04-06.jpg)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on October 09, 2019, 04:12:27 AM
Quote from: Mark 79 on October 07, 2019, 12:05:58 PM
Señor Jorge said, "Jesus made himself sin and made himself the devil."


(https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fnovusordowatch.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Ffrancis-devil.jpg&sp=3a600f70617b60aec53a0d47f77f5c9d)
(https://novusordowatch.org/wp-content/uploads/libero-socci-2017-04-06.jpg)
So, by this response am I to understand correctly that you disagree with Pope Francis in saying that every parish should have a schola cantorum? Do you have something against Gregorian plainchant?  
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: hollingsworth on October 09, 2019, 12:48:56 PM
MMD:
Quote
"Francis" wouldn't recognize authentic Catholic tradition if it bit him on his hind end. He is a liar and a heretic, if not a full-blown apostate. He's certainly not the pope -- as an absolute minimum requirement, one has to at least be Catholic to be a pope, which disqualifies "The Destroyer" right out of the starting block.

I didn't see MMD's post until now.  But yes, a very quaint, pithy though slightly crude assessment, of Francis. I am in wholehearted agreement, and have to wonder that any honest Catholic of good will might think otherwise.  I don't think there's any "if" about it.  Francis is "a full-blown apostate.  I have no doubt that ABL would not have thought the same.
Most of this discussion would probably not be necessary had the 3rd Secret been revealed to the world in 1960. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on October 09, 2019, 08:38:56 PM
Quote from: poche on October 09, 2019, 04:12:27 AM
So, by this response am I to understand correctly that you disagree with Pope Francis in saying that every parish should have a schola cantorum? Do you have something against Gregorian plainchant?  
Your "pope" says  Jesus is the devil and you close your eyes to listen to the schola. So, by this response we understand that you agree with Mr. Bergoglio that Jesus sinned and made himself the devil.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on October 11, 2019, 01:01:28 AM
Quote from: Mark 79 on October 09, 2019, 08:38:56 PM
Your "pope" says  Jesus is the devil and you close your eyes to listen to the schola. So, by this response we understand that you agree with Mr. Bergoglio that Jesus sinned and made himself the devil.
Actually Pope Francis was paraphrasing from the epistles of St Paul.  
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on October 11, 2019, 10:22:53 AM
Quote from: poche on October 11, 2019, 01:01:28 AM
Actually Pope Francis was paraphrasing from the epistles of St Paul.  


Of course your Luciferian "apologetics" in no way explain Jorge's clearly heretical blasphemy that Jesus sinned and made Himself the devil.


Jesus Christ is True God and True Man, Second Person of the Holy Trinity, Sinless—in no way a devil.


For the moment let us turn from discussing Jorge a major тαℓмυdic demon to discuss a lesser ʝʊdɛօ-Luciferian demon.


From their earliest years I teach my children that Satan will not jump out of the closet wearing a red costume with horns, a tail, carrying a pitchfork, shooting, "Boo!" "No," I warn them, "Satan will come looking as a friend, speaking softly and kindly, telling you what you want to hear, so that he may take you to Hell with him."


Some here compliment your sweet demeanor and smarmy language, but you are like that soft-spoken devil carrying water for Satan, his ѕуηαgσgυє, and his "Pope." As best I can discern, you are one of Satan's minions.

Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on October 12, 2019, 12:08:09 AM
Quote from: Mark 79 on October 11, 2019, 10:22:53 AM

Of course your Luciferian "apologetics" in no way explain Jorge's clearly heretical blasphemy that Jesus sinned and made Himself the devil.


Jesus Christ is True God and True Man, Second Person of the Holy Trinity, Sinless—in no way a devil.


For the moment let us turn from discussing Jorge a major тαℓмυdic demon to discuss a lesser ʝʊdɛօ-Luciferian demon.


From their earliest years I teach my children that Satan will not jump out of the closet wearing a red costume with horns, a tail, carrying a pitchfork, shooting, "Boo!" "No," I warn them, "Satan will come looking as a friend, speaking softly and kindly, telling you what you want to hear, so that he may take you to Hell with him."


Some here compliment your sweet demeanor and smarmy language, but you are like that soft-spoken devil carrying water for Satan, his ѕуηαgσgυє, and his "Pope." As best I can discern, you are one of Satan's minions.
St Paul said that Jesus made Himself sin, in order to free us from our sins.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on October 12, 2019, 12:21:46 AM
Quote from: poche on October 12, 2019, 12:08:09 AM
St Paul said that Jesus made Himself sin, in order to free us from our sins.


Just subversive, not even a half-truth, but a 100% тαℓмυdic lie.



From the Douay-Rheims, 2 Cor 5:21

Quote
[21] Him, who knew no sin, he hath made sin for us, that we might be made the justice of God in him.
[21] "Sin for us": That is, to be a sin offering, a victim for sin.

http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=54&ch=5&l=21-#x (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=54&ch=5&l=21-#x)


Where does St. Paul say that Jesus made Himself the devil?


Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on October 12, 2019, 12:38:53 AM
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on September 15, 2019, 08:52:29 PM
And Ted Bundy said: ‘Do you need a lift home? Hop into my car.’ …



For almost a month I have reflected on your excellent one-liner and still find it as amusing as it is apt.



It should become the standard response when Jorge's co-religionists quote Jorge saying something that sounds Catholic.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: klasG4e on October 13, 2019, 03:03:03 AM
Here's a little follow-up to that great one-liner!


The Spider And The Fly

[size=+1]"Will you walk into my parlor?" said the spider to the fly;
 "'Tis the prettiest little parlor that ever you may spy.
 The way into my parlor is up a winding stair,
 And I have many curious things to show when you are there."
 "Oh no, no," said the little fly; "to ask me is in vain,
 For who goes up your winding stair can ne'er come down again."

 "I'm sure you must be weary, dear, with soaring up so high.
 Well you rest upon my little bed?" said the spider to the fly.
 "There are pretty curtains drawn around; the sheets are fine and thin,
 And if you like to rest a while, I'll snugly tuck you in!"
 "Oh no, no," said the little fly, "for I've often heard it said,
 They never, never wake again who sleep upon your bed!"

 Said the cunning spider to the fly: "Dear friend, what can I do
 To prove the warm affection I've always felt for you?
 I have within my pantry good store of all that's nice;
 I'm sure you're very welcome - will you please to take a slice?"
 "Oh no, no," said the little fly; "kind sir, that cannot be:
 I've heard what's in your pantry, and I do not wish to see!"

 "Sweet creature!" said the spider, "you're witty and you're wise;
 How handsome are your gauzy wings; how brilliant are your eyes!
 I have a little looking-glass upon my parlor shelf;
 If you'd step in one moment, dear, you shall behold yourself."
 "I thank you, gentle sir," she said, "for what you're pleased to say,
 And, bidding you good morning now, I'll call another day."

 The spider turned him round about, and went into his den,
 For well he knew the silly fly would soon come back again:
 So he wove a subtle web in a little corner sly,
 And set his table ready to dine upon the fly;
 Then came out to his door again and merrily did sing:
 "Come hither, hither, pretty fly, with pearl and silver wing;
 Your robes are green and purple; there's a crest upon your head;
 Your eyes are like diamond bright, but mine are dull as lead!"

 Alas, alas! how very soon this silly little fly,
 Hearing his wily, flattering words, came slowly flitting by;
 With buzzing wings she hung aloft, then near and nearer grew,
 Thinking only of her brilliant eyes and green and purple hue,
 Thinking only of her crested head. Poor, foolish thing! at last
 Up jumped the cunning spider, and fiercely held her fast;
 He dragged her up his winding stair, into the dismal den -
 Within his little parlor - but she ne'er came out again!

 And now, dear little children, who may this story read,
 To idle, silly flattering words I pray you ne'er give heed;
 Unto an evil counselor close heart and ear and eye,
 And take a lesson from this tale of the spider and the fly.  [/size]
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on October 13, 2019, 11:41:23 AM
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on February 28, 2019, 01:55:22 AM
Douay-Rheims Bible (https://biblehub.com/drb/galatians/1.htm)
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema  Galatians 1:8.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on October 13, 2019, 11:42:25 AM
As always we pray that the Pope will ditch his Masonic ways and embrace Jesus.  
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Marys Anawim on October 13, 2019, 03:01:55 PM
Quote from: Jaynek on February 27, 2019, 12:25:45 PM
Yes, it is possible to find examples of Pope Francis saying or doing good things.  This does not change the problem that he produces, on a regular and frequent basis, statements that seem to be teaching Catholicism incorrectly.

Let's say for the sake of argument that every single one of these statements was simply misunderstood.  There is no sign of him learning from his mistakes and changing this behaviour to speak more clearly.  Even the best case scenario is that he just doesn't care about about theological precision and sees concern with correct teaching as some sort of "rigidity".  He remains a constant source of confusion about the faith.  How is that appropriate for someone who supposedly holds the highest teaching office in the Church?

This is not a problem that goes away just because you found a few quotes of him saying things that sound OK.  This man is responsible for large numbers of people being confused about Catholic doctrine.
I agree with you...he is part of the diabolical disorientation that our lady warned us of and just using common sense which many novus ordo people and others aren't using enough if is that satan mixes lies with truth...he comes as an angel of light...a little leaven...we must remember this when we see/hear concilliar popes...and especially francis
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on October 13, 2019, 07:16:09 PM
Quote from: Marys Anawim on October 13, 2019, 03:01:55 PM
…the diabolical disorientation that our lady warned us of …
You may find this interesting:
Fatima Paradigm Shift Required: Watch John Vennari and Fr. Gruner Agree that Sister Lucy NEVER SPOKE ABOUT DIABOLICAL DISORIENTATION UNTIL the 60s and 70s. Since We Have Now Proven Beyond a Reasonable Doubt that the real Sister Lucy was Replaced by an Imposter after 1959, We Must Completely Reject the Diabolical Disorientation Paradigm for Understanding the Modernist Crisis.


[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.54)]- October 05, 2019 (http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2019/10/fatima-paradigm-shift-required-watch.html)[/color]


For a Forensic Analysis that the "Sister Lucy" who spoke of "diabolical disorientation" was NOT Sister Lucy, see 
https://sisterlucyimposter.org/forensic-art/ (https://sisterlucyimposter.org/forensic-art/)

For our expert Handwriting Analysis of the Writings of "Sister Lucy" from 1967 onwards, the period in which she spoke of "diabolical disorientation" see, https://sisterlucyimposter.org/handwriting-analysis/ (https://sisterlucyimposter.org/handwriting-analysis/)

For our analysis of the now proven fraud of "diabolical disorientation" see, https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=4015574537941757251#editor/target=post;postID=5693067462581469530;onPublishedMenu=allposts;onClosedMenu=allposts;postNum=4;src=postname (https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=4015574537941757251#editor/target=post;postID=5693067462581469530;onPublishedMenu=allposts;onClosedMenu=allposts;postNum=4;src=postname)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on October 13, 2019, 09:54:24 PM
Quote from: poche on September 25, 2019, 04:37:02 AM
So, am I to understand you correctly that you disagree with Pope Francis when he says that Tradition is a guarantee for the future? You do not believe that fidelity to authentic Catholic tradition is a guarantee of the future?
Poche, let me make it easy for you, the guy is an atheist. He doesn’t care about tradition, he doesn’t care about the Church, he doesn’t care about aborted babies, he doesn’t care about your soul, his only concern is to destroy the Church and tradition. Just because he makes a statement that may be truthful, it doesn’t mean that he wishes that truth to become a reality.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on October 13, 2019, 09:56:05 PM
Quote from: Mark 79 on October 12, 2019, 12:38:53 AM


For almost a month I have reflected on your excellent one-liner and still find it as amusing as it is apt.



It should become the standard response when Jorge's co-religionists quote Jorge saying something that sounds Catholic.
Thanks Mark!
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: klasG4e on October 13, 2019, 10:13:46 PM
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on October 13, 2019, 09:54:24 PM
 Just because he makes a statement that may be truthful, it doesn’t mean that he wishes that truth to become a reality.

Indeed!  Reminds me of someone else who spoke a half truth (i.e., a falsehood): "Why hath God commanded you, that you should not eat of every tree of paradise?"  I wonder how many of us would have jumped right away into correcting the devil's assertion -- just what it always wants us to do -- start yakking back and forth with it -- just like the fly did with the spider!
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on October 14, 2019, 04:56:08 AM
Quote from: klasG4e on October 13, 2019, 10:13:46 PM
Indeed!  Reminds me of someone else who spoke a half truth (i.e., a falsehood): "Why hath God commanded you, that you should not eat of every tree of paradise?"  I wonder how many of us would have jumped right away into correcting the devil's assertion -- just what it always wants us to do -- start yakking back and forth with it -- just like the fly did with the spider!
We don't have to wish truth to become a reality. The reality is already there.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on October 14, 2019, 09:45:11 AM
Quote from: poche on October 14, 2019, 04:56:08 AM
We don't have to wish truth to become a reality. The reality is already there.
Where does St. Paul say Jesus became the DEVIL?
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on October 14, 2019, 09:58:17 AM
Francis the Hasid, ‘God is purifying the church with sin’
https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2019/03/francis-hasid-god-is-purifying-church.html (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2019/03/francis-hasid-god-is-purifying-church.html)

Francis was back at it again, teaching his priests at the annual Lenten meeting from the тαℓмυd (http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/11/the-тαℓмυdic-origin-of-yeridah-tzorech.html), specifically the belief of “Yeridah Tzorech Aliyah”.  This time its a slight twist on what he taught to school children whom he told (http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/01/where-francis-doctrine-originates.html), “‘But Lord, throw a banana peel in front of them, so that they will take a good fall, and feel shame that they are sinners, and so encounter You,” in that Francis is applying this concept not to individuals but to his entire church.  How is his church to encounter God? Through the sin of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity!


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Pope Francis' annual Lenten meeting with the priests March 7 began with a penitential prayer service and individual confessions at the Basilica of St. John Lateran, the cathedral of the Diocese of Rome.

In a long, impromptu talk on priesthood and forgiveness, the pope acknowledged the clerical sɛҳuąƖ abuse crisis and the particular way it had impacted priests.

"Sin disfigures us," he said, and it is "humiliating" when "we or one of our brother priests or bishops falls into the bottomless abyss of vice, corruption or, worse still, of a crime that destroys the lives of others," like the sɛҳuąƖ abuse of minors does.

Pope Francis said he is convinced the abuse scandal is ultimately the work of the devil.

"Still, do not be discouraged," he told the priests. "The Lord is purifying his bride (the church) and is converting us all to himself. He is putting us to the test so that we would understand that, without him, we are dust."

God is working "to restore the beauty of his bride, surprised in flagrant adultery," the pope said.


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Pope: God is purifying the church with 'unbearable' pain of abuse scandal (https://www.ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-chronicles/pope-god-purifying-church-unbearable-pain-abuse-), National Catholic Reporter, 7 March 2019
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This is “worship in inversion” (http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-goodevil-god-of-kabbalah-is.html).  How is Christ purifying His spotless bride, the Church, through ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ relations?  These sins when “one returns to god” become merits!  A basic Catholic Catechism teaches that sodomy is one of the Sins which cry out to Heaven for vengeance.  If it isn’t obvious by now, Francis wants to attack Christians souls (http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2019/02/francis-like-rabbi-abraham-heschel.html).  This can be seen in the last quoted statement of Francis, “to restore the beauty of his bride [the church], surprised in flagrant adultery.”  Since when did the Catholic Church, which is the true spotless Bride of Christ, become an adulterer?  As we wrote in the post, the Rebbe explains the Hasidic stratagem of “descent for sake of ascent” (http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-rebbe-explains-hasidic-stratagem-of.html),

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Francis shows his hand, when he inverts Catholic doctrine, as a modernist change (http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2014/12/modernists-are-really-traditionalists.html) agent who is simply following the dictates of ‘The Rebbe’ to be (http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/03/noahide-proselytizing-rabbi-riskin.html), “modern on the outside and Chabad on the inside.” One of the most blatant examples is Francis teaching (http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/01/where-francis-doctrine-originates.html) the тαℓмυdic formula: Yeridah Tzorech Aliyah (“decent for sake of ascent”). This teaching simply means that one has to descend into sin, which paradoxically has a positive status in Hasidism, in order to ascend to new heights. This is done because the god of тαℓмυdic Judaism is one of opposites — a hermaphrodite god (http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/06/vatican-instills-double-mind.html) of good/evil. In the Hasidic lore, tzaddiks (saints or righteous people) wrestle not with evil but with goodness as they descend into sin in this process in order to ascend into righteousness. Yeridah Tzorech Aliyah is one of the foundational beliefs of Orthodox тαℓмυdic Judaism along with Tikun Olam. In the later belief the rabbis have the chutzpah to state that God made creation imperfect and the тαℓмυdic Jews are to correct his work.
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“one must assist in drawing down the divinity to the nether region of the kelipah, to its greatest inversion, because of the assumption that the deeper the realm of existence opposing divinity, the greater will be the divine manifestation. Man is summoned to descend into the depths of the kelipah, or to sin and to commit transgressions, in order to draw divinity to there, because it wishes to be revealed with the greatest opposition, for the sake of actualizing its wholeness.”


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CMJ note: "kelipah" are demonic shells from the "Sitra Achra" (side of uncleanness) in the Lurianic Kabbalistic system. "Kelipah" are completely evil, devoid of any goodness whatever. According to this system, "Jews" emanate from the "Sitra d'Kedusha" (side of holiness). (source for note) (http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2008/10/pope-benedicts-synod-rabbi-friend-of.html)
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Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: klasG4e on October 14, 2019, 11:31:52 PM
BTW Poche -- just for the explicit record -- with a clear yes or no: Do you consider the тαℓмυd as a whole to be something good or something which is evil. actually extremely evil?  Also do you believe Jews and their тαℓмυdic religion to be Jesus Christ friendly or in direct opposition to Jesus Christ and His one true Church?  Please, no equivocation just a plain simple yes or no to 2 very simple straightforward questions.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Bonaventure on October 14, 2019, 11:41:17 PM
Quote from: klasG4e on October 14, 2019, 11:31:52 PM
Please, no equivocation just a plain simple yes or no to 2 very simple straightforward questions.

Buena suerte con eso.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on October 16, 2019, 01:56:45 AM
Quote from: klasG4e on October 14, 2019, 11:31:52 PM
BTW Poche -- just for the explicit record -- with a clear yes or no: Do you consider the тαℓмυd as a whole to be something good or something which is evil. actually extremely evil?  Also do you believe Jews and their тαℓмυdic religion to be Jesus Christ friendly or in direct opposition to Jesus Christ and His one true Church?  Please, no equivocation just a plain simple yes or no to 2 very simple straightforward questions.
I don't study the тαℓмυd. Everything else I look at through the filter of the Catechism. As for the Jews, I join you in your theological critism of their false religion.
However all of the Septuagint is the Truth. It is made complete by the New Testament.   
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: donkath on October 16, 2019, 02:13:16 AM
Quote from: Mark 79 on October 13, 2019, 07:16:09 PM
You may find this interesting:
Fatima Paradigm Shift Required: Watch John Vennari and Fr. Gruner Agree that Sister Lucy NEVER SPOKE ABOUT DIABOLICAL DISORIENTATION UNTIL the 60s and 70s. Since We Have Now Proven Beyond a Reasonable Doubt that the real Sister Lucy was Replaced by an Imposter after 1959, We Must Completely Reject the Diabolical Disorientation Paradigm for Understanding the Modernist Crisis.


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For a Forensic Analysis that the "Sister Lucy" who spoke of "diabolical disorientation" was NOT Sister Lucy, see
https://sisterlucyimposter.org/forensic-art/ (https://sisterlucyimposter.org/forensic-art/)

For our expert Handwriting Analysis of the Writings of "Sister Lucy" from 1967 onwards, the period in which she spoke of "diabolical disorientation" see, https://sisterlucyimposter.org/handwriting-analysis/ (https://sisterlucyimposter.org/handwriting-analysis/)

For our analysis of the now proven fraud of "diabolical disorientation" see, https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=4015574537941757251#editor/target=post;postID=5693067462581469530;onPublishedMenu=allposts;onClosedMenu=allposts;postNum=4;src=postname (https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=4015574537941757251#editor/target=post;postID=5693067462581469530;onPublishedMenu=allposts;onClosedMenu=allposts;postNum=4;src=postname)



Sr Lucy pdf (http://www.cor-mariae.com/Sr.Lucy.pdf)


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Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on October 16, 2019, 10:40:38 AM
Quote from: poche on October 16, 2019, 01:56:45 AM
I don't study the тαℓмυd. …

Why not? Your "Pope" wants you to study the тαℓмυd every day.





1 week after Bergoglio was “elected,” his newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano, recommended daily тαℓмυd study

L’Osservatore Romano recommends Daf Yomi (Daily тαℓмυd Lessons)
http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2018/06/losservatore-romano-reccomends-daf-yomi.html (http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2018/06/losservatore-romano-reccomends-daf-yomi.html)


(http://judaism.is/images/l%20osservatore%20romano%20тαℓмυd%20lessons.jpg?crc=3770624196)

scroll to page 6:
L’Osservatore Romano, Anno CLIII n. 96 (46.340), venerdì 26 aprile 2013, Il тαℓмυd giorno per giorno, pagina 6.

http://www.vatican.va/news_services/or/or_quo/096q01.pdf (http://www.vatican.va/news_services/or/or_quo/096q01.pdf)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on October 17, 2019, 12:29:10 AM
Quote from: Mark 79 on October 16, 2019, 10:40:38 AM
Why not? Your "Pope" wants you to study the тαℓмυd every day.





1 week after Bergoglio was “elected,” his newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano, recommended daily тαℓмυd study

L’Osservatore Romano recommends Daf Yomi (Daily тαℓмυd Lessons)
http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2018/06/losservatore-romano-reccomends-daf-yomi.html (http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2018/06/losservatore-romano-reccomends-daf-yomi.html)


(http://judaism.is/images/l%20osservatore%20romano%20тαℓмυd%20lessons.jpg?crc=3770624196)


scroll to page 6:
L’Osservatore Romano, Anno CLIII n. 96 (46.340), venerdì 26 aprile 2013, Il тαℓмυd giorno per giorno, pagina 6.

http://www.vatican.va/news_services/or/or_quo/096q01.pdf (http://www.vatican.va/news_services/or/or_quo/096q01.pdf)
I prefer to study the catechism.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on October 17, 2019, 09:24:29 AM
Full text of "The catechism of the Council of Trent (https://archive.org/details/thecatechismofth00donouoft)"
https://archive.org/stream/thecatechismofth00donouoft/thecatechismofth00donouoft_djvu.txt (https://archive.org/stream/thecatechismofth00donouoft/thecatechismofth00donouoft_djvu.txt)

(https://s16-us2.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fimages.amazon.com%2Fimages%2FP%2F0895551853.jpg&sp=a29eb8cfe632292ded526a4c20465316)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on October 17, 2019, 09:27:04 AM
Teachings of Francis IScripture or Past Church Teaching
  
Atheism 
On Heaven and Earth2, pp. 12-13: “I do not approach the relationship in order to proselytize, or convert the atheist; I respect him… nor would I say that his life is condemned, because I am convinced that I do not have the right to make a judgment about the honesty of that person… every man is the image of God, whether he is a believer or not."
 		"If any one deny the one true God, Creator and Lord of all things visible and invisible, let him be anathema" (Conc. Vatican., Sess. III, "De fide", can. i).
 
"If anyone shall have said that the one true God, our Creator and our Lord, cannot be known with certitude by those things which have been made, by the natural light of human reason: let him be anathema" (First Vatican Council, Sess III, can. 2/1: Denz. 1806; cf. D. 1785).
 
“And to you who are troubled, rest with us when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven, with the angels of his power, in a flame of fire, giving vengeance to them who know not God, and who obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, who shall suffer eternal punishment in destruction, from the face of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.” II Thessalonians I: 7-9
 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: klasG4e on October 17, 2019, 09:48:26 PM
Quote from: Mark 79 on October 17, 2019, 09:27:04 AM



Teachings of Francis IScripture or Past Church Teaching
Atheism
On Heaven and Earth2, pp. 12-13: “I do not approach the relationship in order to proselytize, or convert the atheist; I respect him… nor would I say that his life is condemned, because I am convinced that I do not have the right to make a judgment about the honesty of that person… every man is the image of God, whether he is a believer or not."
 		"If any one deny the one true God, Creator and Lord of all things visible and invisible, let him be anathema" (Conc. Vatican., Sess. III, "De fide", can. i).
 
"If anyone shall have said that the one true God, our Creator and our Lord, cannot be known with certitude by those things which have been made, by the natural light of human reason: let him be anathema" (First Vatican Council, Sess III, can. 2/1: Denz. 1806; cf. D. 1785).
 
“And to you who are troubled, rest with us when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven, with the angels of his power, in a flame of fire, giving vengeance to them who know not God, and who obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, who shall suffer eternal punishment in destruction, from the face of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.” II Thessalonians I: 7-9
 

Poche actually serves a real purpose on CI in so far as individuals such as Mark 79 so clearly slice, dice, and demolish his posts via such counter-posts as the one above and in the process add to our education and edification.

 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%207-9&version=DRA;NIV)
Mark 7:9 (in its Sacred Scripture context)
1 And there assembled together unto him the Pharisees and some of the scribes, coming from Jerusalem.
2 And when they had seen some of his disciples eat bread with common, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault.
3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews eat not without often washing their hands, holding the tradition of the ancients:
4 And when they come from the market, unless they be washed, they eat not: and many other things there are that have been delivered to them to observe, the washings of cups and of pots, and of brazen vessels, and of beds.
5 And the Pharisees and scribes asked him: Why do not thy disciples walk according to the tradition of the ancients, but they eat bread with common hands?
6 But he answering, said to them: Well did Isaias prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 And in vain do they worship me, teaching doctrines and precepts of men.
8 For leaving the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men, the washing of pots and of cups: and many other things you do like to these.
9 And he said to them: Well do you make void the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said: Honour thy father and thy mother; and He that shall curse father or mother, dying let him die.
11 But you say: If a man shall say to his father or mother, Corban, (which is a gift,) whatsoever is from me, shall profit thee.
12 And further you suffer him not to do any thing for his father or mother,
13 Making void the word of God by your own tradition, which you have given forth. And many other such like things you do.
14 And calling again the multitude unto him, he said to them: Hear ye me all, and understand.
15 There is nothing from without a man that entering into him, can defile him. But the things which come from a man, those are they that defile a man.
16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
17 And when he was come into the house from the multitude, his disciples asked him the parable.
18 And he saith to them: So are you also without knowledge? understand you not that every thing from without, entering into a man cannot defile him:
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but goeth into the belly, and goeth out into the privy, purging all meats?
20 But he said that the things which come out from a man, they defile a man.
21 For from within out of the heart of men proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness.
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile a man.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on October 17, 2019, 10:43:17 PM
Quote from: klasG4e on October 17, 2019, 09:48:26 PM


 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%207-9&version=DRA;NIV)
Mark 7:9 (in its Sacred Scripture context)
…
9 And he said to them: Well do you make void the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition.…
Kudos for cracking the code! Yes, Mark 79 is Mark 7:9!
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on October 25, 2019, 07:11:14 AM
Quote from: poche on October 25, 2019, 02:11:10 AM
Funny how you would be talking about the тαℓмυd and Pope Francis, Just this past Wednesday he contradicted you by preaching against the тαℓмυd and how Christianity is distinct from the Jєωιѕн religion.
https://zenit.org/articles/pope-francis-church-is-a-tent-not-a-fortress/

You are Satan's lying sack of dirt… again and again.

Here is Jorge's full allocution: https://zenit.org/articles/holy-father-continues-catecheses-on-acts-of-the-apostles/ (https://zenit.org/articles/holy-father-continues-catecheses-on-acts-of-the-apostles/)

First, there is not one word about the тαℓмυd, not one stinking word.

Second, contrary to your assertion that Jorge preached "how Christianity is distinct from the Jєωιѕн religion," Jorge uses the metaphors of "the Open Door," "the common way," "synodality,"  Instead of making a distinction, Jorge proposes an indifferentist blend of Christ and Belial: "relation between faith in Christ and the observance of the Law of Moses."  The only "relation" recognized by the perennial and infallible Magisterium is that the Law of Moses died with Christ on the Cross—and, as expected, that dogma is entirely missing in Jorge's subversion.

Third, Jorge cannot bring himself to teach de fide supersessionism, that the Law of Moses is dead, so instead he infers тαℓмυdic Noahidism (http://judaism.is/noahide-deceit.html): "ask them only to reject idolatry and all its expressions." So Jorge did not "preach against the тαℓмυd" as you claimed. Jorge did the exact opposite; he preached тαℓмυdic Noahidism.

"Funny how you" constructed three lies in your one run-on sentence!

Get thee behind me, Satan!
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on October 25, 2019, 11:58:17 PM
Quote from: Mark 79 on October 25, 2019, 07:11:14 AM
You are Satan's lying sack of dirt… again and again.

Here is Jorge's full allocution: https://zenit.org/articles/holy-father-continues-catecheses-on-acts-of-the-apostles/ (https://zenit.org/articles/holy-father-continues-catecheses-on-acts-of-the-apostles/)

First, there is not one word about the тαℓмυd, not one stinking word.

Second, contrary to your assertion that Jorge preached "how Christianity is distinct from the Jєωιѕн religion," Jorge uses the metaphors of "the Open Door," "the common way," "synodality,"  Instead of making a distinction, Jorge proposes an indifferentist blend of Christ and Belial: "relation between faith in Christ and the observance of the Law of Moses."  The only "relation" recognized by the perennial and infallible Magisterium is that the Law of Moses died with Christ on the Cross—and, as expected, that dogma is entirely missing in Jorge's subversion.

Third, Jorge cannot bring himself to teach de fide supersessionism, that the Law of Moses is dead, so instead he infers тαℓмυdic Noahidism (http://judaism.is/noahide-deceit.html): "ask them only to reject idolatry and all its expressions." So Jorge did not "preach against the тαℓмυd" as you claimed. Jorge did the exact opposite; he preached тαℓмυdic Noahidism.

"Funny how you" constructed three lies in your one run-on sentence!

Get thee behind me, Satan!
He didn't say one word about the тαℓмυd because we don't follow the тαℓмυd. He was talking about the Council of Jerusalem where those who felt that Christianity was a kind of Jєωιѕнness were contradicted and the Law of Grace was placed above the Mosaic Law. Therefore Pope Francis materially rejected the тαℓмυd as the basis for Christianity. H explained how this occurred during the Council by the others respectfully listening to Paul and Barnabus. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on October 26, 2019, 02:57:35 AM
You stated: "Funny how you would be talking about the тαℓмυd and Pope Francis, Just this past Wednesday he contradicted you by preaching against the тαℓмυd and how Christianity is distinct from the Jєωιѕн religion."

You got caught as a lying sack of dirt, because he neither preached against the тαℓмυd nor the distinction of Christianity.

Then you offered a bunch of double-talk rubbish, including "He didn't say one word about the тαℓмυd…."

So he "preached against the тαℓмυd" without mentioning it.

You remain a lying sack of dirt.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on October 28, 2019, 08:44:59 AM
“This is the last Sunday of October, and it is also the month of the Rosary,” Pope Francis said October 27, 2019, after praying the Angelus with the faithful gather in St. Peter’s Square. “I renew the invitation to pray the Rosary for the Church’s mission today, in particular for the men and women missionaries who meet with greater difficulties And, at the same time, we continue to pray the Rosary for peace. The Gospel and peace walk together.”

https://zenit.org/articles/holy-father-encourages-praying-of-rosary/ (https://zenit.org/articles/holy-father-encourages-praying-of-rosary/)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on October 28, 2019, 09:07:15 AM
Maybe Pope Francis is a Free Mason? Maybe many Popes before him were masons too?

And masons are liars and deceivers.  They reject Jesus while believing in all false gods.  
They tell the people what they want to hear to entrap them 

https://www.bibleprobe.com/Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.htm (https://www.bibleprobe.com/Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.htm)



Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on October 28, 2019, 11:00:45 AM
Jorge identified the controversial statues used in the Synod as "Pachamama," the Incan fertility goddess. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/full-transcript-of-the-popes-comments-on-pagan-pachamama-statues (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/full-transcript-of-the-popes-comments-on-pagan-pachamama-statues)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nakp0UGeROk/XbXVbgdDEeI/AAAAAAAAB3M/VNB7WTtBomYoDj4kkzFruRr_t6RBMRb-wCLcBGAsYHQ/w1684-h1069-p-k-no-nu/pope-pachamama.jpg)

Then he installed the goddess in St. Peter's Basilica.  He has learned much paganism from his тαℓмυd Studies (http://judaism.is/paganism.html).


Oh look! Here comes Ted Bundy in his car. I wonder what he will say.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: klasG4e on October 28, 2019, 10:12:57 PM
Judge by the fruits.  A good tree bears good fruits.  A rotten/bad tree bears rotten/bad fruits.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on November 13, 2019, 05:05:16 AM
 Pope Francis urged Catholics to meditate on the final judgement at a Mass offered Monday for the souls of cardinals and bishops who died within the past year.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/remember-the-final-judgement-pope-francis-says-at-mass-for-recently-deceased-bishops-52789
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on November 13, 2019, 09:18:36 AM
Jorge said:

“The inseparable bond that unites Christians and Jews is theologically clear. Christians, in order to understand themselves, cannot fail to refer to their Jєωιѕн roots, and the Church, while professing salvation through faith in Christ, recognizes the irrevocability of the Old Covenant and God’s unfailing, steadfast love for Israel.”
source: Vatican, Visit to the ѕуηαgσgυє of Rome, Address of Francis, 17 January 2016 (https://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/speeches/2016/january/docuмents/papa-francesco_20160117_sinagoga.html)
Except that the roots of contemporary Judaism, the "Jews" to whom Jorge was kowtowing, are in Pharisaism, not Mosaic Judaism, so have NO "BOND" TO CATHOLICISM EXCEPT ENMITY

AND the "irrevocable" Mosaic Covenant, contrary to Jorge's subversion was conditional

AND that Mosaic Covenant was VOIDED

AND the irrevocable Abrahamic Covenant is fulfilled in the True Church, NOT IN THE DAMNED тαℓмυdIC JEWS, NOT IN THE ANTI-CATHOLIC NOVUS ORDO.

(http://judaism.is/images/status%20of%20the%20covenants.jpg?crc=3846596295)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Endoplasmic Reticulum on November 13, 2019, 11:51:35 AM

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Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Mark 79 on November 13, 2019, 05:05:19 PM
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Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Ladislaus on November 13, 2019, 06:12:21 PM
my personal favorite ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCg5NsY2aFE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCg5NsY2aFE)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on January 18, 2020, 01:23:46 AM
 Protecting human life is the “preeminent” social and political issue, Pope Francis said, and he asked the head of the U.S. bishops’ Committee for Pro-Life Activities to convey his support to the pro-life community.
Archbishop Joseph F. Naumann of Kansas City, Kansas, chairman of the bishops’ committee, told Catholic News Service Jan. 16 that the pope agreed with the U.S. bishops “identifying the protection of the unborn as a preeminent priority.”
“His response to that was, ‘Of course, it is. It’s the most fundamental right,'” Archbishop Naumann recalled the pope saying. “He said, ‘This is not first a religious issue; it’s a human rights issue,’ which is so true.”
Archbishop Naumann was one of 15 bishops from Iowa, Kansas, Missouri and Nebraska making their “ad limina” visits to the Vatican in mid-January to report on the status of their dioceses. He and other bishops spoke to Catholic News Service Jan. 16 after meeting with the pope for more than two hours.
Archbishop Naumann said he told the pope that since the Roe v. Wade court decision legalized abortion, an estimated 61 million abortions have taken place in the United States.
“I think the pope was truly kind of stunned by that number,” Archbishop Naumann said. “Sadly, our abortion policies are one of the most liberal in the world. The fact is that it really is literally for all nine months of pregnancy. Most other nations don’t permit (abortions) at least at a certain point in the pregnancy.”
Archbishop Naumann said that while Pope Francis has “elevated issues like the care of refugees and migrants,” he also understands that the situation in the United States is different compared to other countries.
“I think sometimes as he elevates those things, people mistakenly think, ‘Well, that means that the abortion issue will become less important,'” he said.
Archbishop Robert J. Carlson of St. Louis told CNS it was “beautiful” when the pope explained why life was the number one, most important issue, “because if you’re not alive you can’t do anything else.”

https://osvnews.com/2020/01/16/pope-speaks-to-u-s-bishops-about-pro-life-issues-transgender-ideology/
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on February 03, 2020, 12:26:06 AM
Pope Francis spoke Sunday about the need for Catholics to be active in going out to announce the faith of Jesus Christ to the world.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-the-world-needs-catholics-who-go-out-proclaim-jesus-12835
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Lion of Juda on February 03, 2020, 01:46:51 AM
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Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Lion of Juda on February 03, 2020, 01:52:12 AM
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Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: King Wenceslas on February 05, 2020, 03:41:35 PM
Quote from: poche on February 03, 2020, 12:26:06 AM
Pope Francis spoke Sunday about the need for Catholics to be active in going out to announce the faith of Jesus Christ to the world.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-the-world-needs-catholics-who-go-out-proclaim-jesus-12835 (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-the-world-needs-catholics-who-go-out-proclaim-jesus-12835)

Is that the faith promoted by the Catholic hierarchy before October 1958 or after October 1958? They are not the same.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on February 07, 2020, 11:53:25 PM
Quote from: King Wenceslas on February 05, 2020, 03:41:35 PM
Is that the faith promoted by the Catholic hierarchy before October 1958 or after October 1958? They are not the same.
There is only one true Catholic Faith
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Lion of Juda on February 08, 2020, 12:18:56 AM
St. Agobard Said:

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Jews are cursed and covered with malediction as by a cloak. The curse has penetrated them like water in their bowels and oil in their bones. They are cursed in the city and cursed in the country, cursed in their coming in and cursed in their going out. Cursed are the fruits of their loins, of their lands, of their flocks; cursed are their cellars, their granaries, their shops, their food, the very crumbs off their tables!
~ St. Agobard


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Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on February 08, 2020, 12:29:47 AM
Father Epicoco also noted how often Pope Francis speaks of evil, and he asked Pope Francis where he sees evil at work today.
“One place is ‘gender theory,'” the pope said. “
https://www.archbalt.org/he-was-a-great-pope-francis-says-of-st-john-paul-ii/
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Lion of Juda on February 08, 2020, 08:44:42 AM
St. Gregory of Nyssa said:

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Jews are slayers of the Lord, murderers of the prophets, enemies and haters of God, adversaries of grace, enemies of their fathers' faith, advocates of the devil, a brood of vipers, slanderers, scoffers, men of darkened minds, the leaven of Pharisees, a congregation of demons, sinners, wicked men, haters of goodness! ~ St. Gregory of Nyssa


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Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on February 13, 2020, 11:21:42 PM
The Amazonian peoples have a right to hear the Gospel: the proclamation of God who infinitely loves every man and woman, and has revealed this love fully in Jesus Christ, crucified for us and risen in our lives.

https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/1227608300906147841
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Meg on February 14, 2020, 11:48:06 AM
Quote from: poche on February 13, 2020, 11:21:42 PM
The Amazonian peoples have a right to hear the Gospel: the proclamation of God who infinitely loves every man and woman, and has revealed this love fully in Jesus Christ, crucified for us and risen in our lives.

https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/1227608300906147841

If Francis truly believes in the Gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ, then why did he promote worship of the pagan devil, Pachamama?
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on February 15, 2020, 09:37:43 AM
Since yesterday I have established a policy for myself of NOT responding to any more posts from Poche.

I have multiple reason why and they are to many to elaborate.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on March 01, 2020, 11:42:23 PM
Pope Francis said Sunday to follow Christ’s example when dealing with the temptation to sin: send the devil away or answer with the Word of God, but never engage in debate.
When being tempted by the devil in the desert, “Jesus does not talk with the devil. Jesus responds to the devil with the Word of God, not with his word,” the pope said March 1.
Francis noted that in times of temptation one may start to debate with the devil about sin.
“Never talk to the devil,” he advised. “Jesus does two things with the devil: he chases him away or, as in this case [in the desert], he answers with the Word of God. Be careful: never dialogue with temptation, never dialogue with the devil.”

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/never-dialogue-with-the-devil-pope-francis-says-79640 (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/never-dialogue-with-the-devil-pope-francis-says-79640)
Title: St. Bruno said
Post by: ralgul on March 01, 2020, 11:52:43 PM
Since this wicked generation [Jews] did not know that it should repent, but daily became more wicked, its last state was worse than its first ... The evil and adulterous generation of the Jews were to be condemned because of their hard and unrepentant hearts. ~ St. Bruno
Title: Re: St. Bruno said
Post by: poche on March 03, 2020, 12:54:25 AM
Quote from: ralgul on March 01, 2020, 11:52:43 PM
Since this wicked generation [Jews] did not know that it should repent, but daily became more wicked, its last state was worse than its first ... The evil and adulterous generation of the Jews were to be condemned because of their hard and unrepentant hearts. ~ St. Bruno
 I have always been on good terms with Jews. Only the other evening two Jews were here to see me. After all, there are other bonds than those of religion: courtesy and philanthropy. These we do not deny to the Jews. 

https://ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/primary-texts-from-the-history-of-the-relationship/herzl1904 (https://ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/primary-texts-from-the-history-of-the-relationship/herzl1904)
Title: St. John Chrysostom said
Post by: ralgul on March 03, 2020, 01:28:02 AM
Quote from: poche on March 03, 2020, 12:54:25 AM
I have always been on good terms with Jews. Only the other evening two Jews were here to see me. After all, there are other bonds than those of religion: courtesy and philanthropy. These we do not deny to the Jews.

"How dare Christians have the slightest intercourse with Jews, those most miserable of all men. They are lustful, rapacious, greedy, perfidious bandits -- pests of the universe! Indeed, an entire day would not suffice to tell of all their rapine, their avarice, their deception of the poor, their thievery, and their huckstering. Are they not inveterate murderers, destroyers, men possessed by the devil? Jews are impure and impious, and their ѕуηαgσgυє is a house of prostitution, a lair of beasts, a place of shame and ridicule, the domicile of the devil, as is also the soul of the Jew. As a matter of fact, Jews worship the devil: their rites are criminal and unchaste; their religion a disease; their ѕуηαgσgυє an assembly of crooks, a den of thieves, a cavern of devils, an abyss of perdition! Why are Jews degenerate? Because of their hateful assassination of Christ. This supreme crime lies at the root of their degradation and woes. The rejection and dispersion of the Jews was the work of God, not of emperors. It was done by the wrath of God and because of His absolute abandonment of the Jews. Thus, the Jew will live under the yoke of slavery without end. God hates the Jews, and on Judgment Day He will say to those who sympathize with them., 'Depart from Me, for you have had intercourse with My murderers!' Flee, then, from their assemblies, fly from their houses, and, far from venerating the ѕуηαgσgυє, hold it in hatred and aversion."
~ St. John Chrysostom
Title: Re: St. John Chrysostom said
Post by: poche on March 03, 2020, 01:43:48 AM
Quote from: ralgul on March 03, 2020, 01:28:02 AM
"How dare Christians have the slightest intercourse with Jews, those most miserable of all men. They are lustful, rapacious, greedy, perfidious bandits -- pests of the universe! Indeed, an entire day would not suffice to tell of all their rapine, their avarice, their deception of the poor, their thievery, and their huckstering. Are they not inveterate murderers, destroyers, men possessed by the devil? Jews are impure and impious, and their ѕуηαgσgυє is a house of prostitution, a lair of beasts, a place of shame and ridicule, the domicile of the devil, as is also the soul of the Jew. As a matter of fact, Jews worship the devil: their rites are criminal and unchaste; their religion a disease; their ѕуηαgσgυє an assembly of crooks, a den of thieves, a cavern of devils, an abyss of perdition! Why are Jews degenerate? Because of their hateful assassination of Christ. This supreme crime lies at the root of their degradation and woes. The rejection and dispersion of the Jews was the work of God, not of emperors. It was done by the wrath of God and because of His absolute abandonment of the Jews. Thus, the Jew will live under the yoke of slavery without end. God hates the Jews, and on Judgment Day He will say to those who sympathize with them., 'Depart from Me, for you have had intercourse with My murderers!' Flee, then, from their assemblies, fly from their houses, and, far from venerating the ѕуηαgσgυє, hold it in hatred and aversion."
~ St. John Chrysostom
18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. 
19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations: baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. 

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. And behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.

Matthew 28:18-20
Title: Jesus Christ said
Post by: ralgul on March 03, 2020, 01:59:58 AM
Quote from: poche on March 03, 2020, 01:43:48 AM
18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth.
19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations: baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. And behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.

Matthew 28:18-20

Too bad Francis, Benedict XVI and JPII don't/didn't believe in teaching the Jews the Gospels and the necessity of baptism into Jesus Christ and worshiping Him for salvation.

Anyway, Jesus Christ said:

I know thy tribulation and thy poverty, but thou art rich: and thou art blasphemed by them that say they are Jews and are not, but are the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.
~ Apocalypse of John 2:9

Behold, I will bring of the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, who say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie. Behold, I will make them to come and adore before thy feet. And they shall know that I have loved thee.
~ Apocalypse of John 3:9
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on March 06, 2020, 05:08:20 AM
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953 on February 15, 2020, 09:37:43 AM
Since yesterday I have established a policy for myself of NOT responding to any more posts from Poche.

I have multiple reason why and they are to many to elaborate.
You just did. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: donkath on March 06, 2020, 06:18:02 AM
Quote from: poche on February 03, 2019, 01:27:29 AM
Pope Francis said that he likes to pray the stations of the Cross. How many of you pray the stations of the Cross?

  https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-says-he-loves-to-pray-the-way-of-the-cross-54719

Well he would like to pray the SOC wouldn't he - since he gets the go-ahead to sin as much as he likes.
"What is reconciliation? Taking one from this side, taking another one for that side and uniting them: no, that’s part of it but it's not it ... True reconciliation means that God in Christ took on our sins and He became the sinner for us. When we go to confession, for example, it isn’t that we say our sin and God forgives us. No, not that! We look for Jesus Christ and say: 'This is your sin, and I will sin again'. And Jesus likes that, because it was his mission: to become the sinner for us, to liberate us. "


Source (http://www.radiovaticana.va/page404.html) (Link has since been removed - ::)

Title: Re: St. John Chrysostom said
Post by: ralgul on March 07, 2020, 02:23:12 AM
Quote from: poche on March 06, 2020, 05:30:13 AM
Didn't St John Chrysostom die in exile after a long forced march? I wonder how much of this earthly purgatory could have been avoided if he had adopted a more Pope St Pius X approach to the Jews?

Pope St. Pius X: "The Jews have not recognized Our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people."
Title: Re: St. John Chrysostom said
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on March 07, 2020, 04:59:55 AM
Quote from: poche on March 06, 2020, 05:30:13 AM
Didn't St John Chrysostom die in exile after a long forced march? I wonder how much of this earthly purgatory could have been avoided if he had adopted a more Pope St Pius X approach to the Jews?

So, you pompous ignoramus, according to your logic, all of the martyrs somehow did something or said something wrong which didn’t fit into your fake notion of Catholicism and that is why they underwent their martyrdom.

Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Matthew on March 07, 2020, 07:44:25 AM
Jesus, speaking to the Jews -- you know, the Jews who refused to accept Him:


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[43] Why do you not know my speech? Because you cannot hear my word. [44] You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
(St. John chapter 8)

Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on March 07, 2020, 08:06:15 AM
Quote from: Matthew on March 07, 2020, 07:44:25 AM
Jesus, speaking to the Jews -- you know, the Jews who refused to accept Him:

(St. John chapter 8)
A better answer than mine.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on March 08, 2020, 03:25:32 AM
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on March 07, 2020, 08:06:15 AM
A better answer than mine.
What we need is to promote conversion of the Jews to the Catholic Faith. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: ralgul on March 08, 2020, 10:46:47 AM
Quote from: poche on March 08, 2020, 03:25:32 AM
What we need is to promote conversion of the Jews to the Catholic Faith.

Your boys Francis and JPII (and I think Benedict XVI) teach the heresy that Jews don't need to be converted to the Catholic Faith.
Title: Pope Nicholas IV said
Post by: ralgul on March 08, 2020, 10:47:38 AM
"With troubled heart, we are reminded that many of those converted from the error of Jєωιѕн blindness to the light of the Christian Faith have fallen back into their former falsehood. Proceed with intensity against all who make themselves guilty of this crime, against heretics, and against those who support, protect, and defend them." ~ Pope Nicholas IV (the Bull, "With Troubled Heart," PAC, cf. p.659).
Title: Re: Pope Nicholas IV said
Post by: poche on March 09, 2020, 12:42:13 AM
Quote from: ralgul on March 08, 2020, 10:47:38 AM
"With troubled heart, we are reminded that many of those converted from the error of Jєωιѕн blindness to the light of the Christian Faith have fallen back into their former falsehood. Proceed with intensity against all who make themselves guilty of this crime, against heretics, and against those who support, protect, and defend them." ~ Pope Nicholas IV (the Bull, "With Troubled Heart," PAC, cf. p.659).
There was a lady at my parish whose father was a convert from the Jєωιѕн religion. She went to daily mass and led the the people in praying the rosary. 
Title: Pope Innocent III said
Post by: ralgul on March 09, 2020, 04:26:37 AM
"When Jews are admitted out of pity into familiar intercourse with Christians, they repay their hosts after the fashion of the rat hidden in the sack, or the snake in the bosom, or of the burning brand in one's lap."
~ Pope Innocent III (PAC, p.137)
Title: Re: Pope Innocent III said
Post by: poche on March 09, 2020, 08:09:00 AM
Quote from: ralgul on March 09, 2020, 04:26:37 AM
"When Jews are admitted out of pity into familiar intercourse with Christians, they repay their hosts after the fashion of the rat hidden in the sack, or the snake in the bosom, or of the burning brand in one's lap."
~ Pope Innocent III (PAC, p.137)
Was that the same Pope Innocent who was destined to spend centuries in Purgatory for his sins. Could promoting this kind of vitriol be one of those sins? It is a good thing we had St. Lutgarde to pray for him or he could still be in Purgatory.  
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Pax Vobis on March 09, 2020, 08:41:07 AM
Shut up, Poche.  You're a fake catholic.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Marys Anawim on March 09, 2020, 09:23:07 AM
Quote from: poche on February 03, 2019, 01:27:29 AM
Pope Francis said that he likes to pray the stations of the Cross. How many of you pray the stations of the Cross?

  https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-says-he-loves-to-pray-the-way-of-the-cross-54719
why would you mention something like this? He is obviously a wolf in sheep's clothing and it just seems that you are deceived by the chocolate instead of remembering and exposing the poop...if you understand my analogy...I know you have been somewhat shunned on this forum and I never really could understand why, but this comment makes me be more on the weary side of you because True Catholics know that Francis is NOT catholic nor our friend...we must pray for him, but to post this is not good for yourself or others.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on March 09, 2020, 10:41:55 PM
Quote from: Marys Anawim on March 09, 2020, 09:23:07 AM
why would you mention something like this? He is obviously a wolf in sheep's clothing and it just seems that you are deceived by the chocolate instead of remembering and exposing the poop...if you understand my analogy...I know you have been somewhat shunned on this forum and I never really could understand why, but this comment makes me be more on the weary side of you because True Catholics know that Francis is NOT catholic nor our friend...we must pray for him, but to post this is not good for yourself or others.
I am surprised that you should say something like this. Pope Francis has been more a friend to Catholics of Tradition than many other bishops and over a longer period of time. When he was cardinal archbishop of Buenos Aires he even helped the SSPX with their problems with the Argentine immigration.  
Title: Pope St. Gregory the Great said
Post by: ralgul on March 12, 2020, 11:44:53 AM
The hearts of the unbelieving Jews do not even yet by any means acknowledge Christ to be God and, harder than flintstones, they will not be broken by repentance.
~ Pope St. Gregory the Great
Title: Re: Pope Innocent III said
Post by: roscoe on March 12, 2020, 01:54:36 PM
Quote from: poche on March 09, 2020, 08:09:00 AM
Was that the same Pope Innocent who was destined to spend centuries in Purgatory for his sins. Could promoting this kind of vitriol be one of those sins? It is a good thing we had St. Lutgarde to pray for him or he could still be in Purgatory.  
Here we have pooch trashing Innocent III-- one of my favorite Popes... :laugh1: :laugh2:
Title: Re: Pope Innocent III said
Post by: poche on March 12, 2020, 11:33:58 PM
Quote from: roscoe on March 12, 2020, 01:54:36 PM
Here we have pooch trashing Innocent III-- one of my favorite Popes... :laugh1: :laugh2:
Since I am mentioning St. Lutgarda, ought I to speak of the celebrated apparition of Pope Innocent. I acknowledge the perusal of this incident shocked me, and I would fain pass it over in silence.

I was reluctant to think that a Pope, and such a Pope, had been condemned to so long and terrible a Purgatory. We know that Innocent, who presided at the celebrated Council of Latern in 1215, was one of the greatest Pontiffs who ever filled the chair of St. Peter. His piety and zeal led him to accomplish great things for the Church of God and holy discipline.

How, then, admit that such a man was judged with so great severity at the Supreme Tribunal? How reconcile this revelation of St. Lutgarda with Divine Mercy? I wished, therefore, to treat it as an illusion, and sought for reasons in support of this idea. But I found, on the contrary, that the reality of this apparition is admitted by the gravest authors, and that it is not rejected by any single one. Moreover, the biographer, Thomas de Cantimpré, is very explicit, and at the same time very reserved. "Remark, reader," he writes at the end of his narrative, "that it was from the mouth of the pious Lutgarda herself that I heard of the faults revealed by the defunct, and which I omit here through respect for so great a Pope."

Aside from this, considering the event in itself, can we find any good reason, for calling it into question? Do we not know that God makes no exception of persons--that the Popes appear before His tribunal like the humblest of the faithful--that all the great and the lowly are equal before Him, and that each one
receives according to his works?

Do we not know that those who govern others have a great responsibility, and will have to render a severe account? "A most severe judgment shall be for them that bear rule." It is the Holy Ghost that declares it. (Wisdom vi.6)

Now, Innocent reigned for eighteen years, and during most turbulent times; and, add the Bollandists, is it not written that the judgments of God are inscrutbale, and often very different from the judgments of men? Judica tua abyssus multa. (Psalm xxxv.7)

The reality of this apparition cannot, then, be reasonably called into question. I see no reason for omitting it, since God does not reveal mysteries of this nature for any other purpose than that they should be made known for the edification of His Church.

Pope Innocent died July 16, 1216. The same day he appeared to St. Lutgarda in her monastery at Aywieres, in Brabant. Surprised to see a spectre enveloped in flames, she asked who he was and what he wanted.

"I am Pope Innocent," he replied. "Is it possible that you, our common Father, should be in such a state?" "It is but too true. I am expiating three faults which might have caused my eternal perdition. Thanks to the Blessed Virgin Mary, I have obtained pardon for them, but I have to make atonement. Alas! It is terrible; and it will last for centuries if you do not come to my assistance. In the name of Mary, who has obtained for me the favor of appealing to you, help me."

https://purgatorysouls.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-story-of-st-lutgarda-and-cistercian.html (https://purgatorysouls.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-story-of-st-lutgarda-and-cistercian.html)
Title: St. Gregory of Nyssa said
Post by: ralgul on March 13, 2020, 04:30:01 AM
Jews are slayers of the Lord, murderers of the prophets, enemies and haters of God, adversaries of grace, enemies of their fathers' faith, advocates of the devil, a brood of vipers, slanderers, scoffers, men of darkened minds, the leaven of Pharisees, a congregation of demons, sinners, wicked men, haters of goodness!
~ St. Gregory of Nyssa
Title: Re: St. Gregory of Nyssa said
Post by: poche on March 13, 2020, 04:48:46 AM
Quote from: ralgul on March 13, 2020, 04:30:01 AM
Jews are slayers of the Lord, murderers of the prophets, enemies and haters of God, adversaries of grace, enemies of their fathers' faith, advocates of the devil, a brood of vipers, slanderers, scoffers, men of darkened minds, the leaven of Pharisees, a congregation of demons, sinners, wicked men, haters of goodness!
~ St. Gregory of Nyssa
How is this conducive of spreading the Gospel?
Title: St. Gregory of Nyssa said
Post by: ralgul on March 13, 2020, 07:15:48 AM
Quote from: poche on March 13, 2020, 04:48:46 AM
How is this conducive of spreading the Gospel?

Antipope Francis doesn't believe in spreading the Gospel. He believes in spreading climate change awareness and open borders.
Title: Re: St. Gregory of Nyssa said
Post by: poche on March 14, 2020, 12:02:46 AM
Quote from: ralgul on March 13, 2020, 07:15:48 AM
Antipope Francis doesn't believe in spreading the Gospel. He believes in spreading climate change awareness and open borders.
You don't spread the Gospel by contradicting Jesus' message of love. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." -Jesus      
Title: Re: Our Lord Jesus said to the Jews
Post by: Nadir on March 14, 2020, 12:54:27 AM
Quote from: poche on March 13, 2020, 04:48:46 AM
How is this conducive of spreading the Gospel?
[31] (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=23&l=31-#x) Wherefore you are witnesses against yourselves, that you are the sons of them that killed the prophets. [32] (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=23&l=32-#x) Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. [33] (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=23&l=33-#x) You serpents, generation of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of hell? [34] (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=23&l=34-#x) Therefore behold I send to you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them you will put to death and crucify, and some you will scourge in your ѕуηαgσgυєs, and persecute from city to city: [35] (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=23&l=35-#x) That upon you may come all the just blood that hath been shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel the just, even unto the blood of Zacharias the son of Barachias, whom you killed between the temple and the altar.
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Poche, read the whole of the 23rd chpter of Matthew's Gospel.
Title: Re: Our Lord Jesus said to the Jews
Post by: poche on March 14, 2020, 10:37:03 PM
Quote from: Nadir on March 14, 2020, 12:54:27 AM
[31] (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=23&l=31-#x) Wherefore you are witnesses against yourselves, that you are the sons of them that killed the prophets. [32] (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=23&l=32-#x) Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. [33] (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=23&l=33-#x) You serpents, generation of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of hell? [34] (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=23&l=34-#x) Therefore behold I send to you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them you will put to death and crucify, and some you will scourge in your ѕуηαgσgυєs, and persecute from city to city: [35] (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=23&l=35-#x) That upon you may come all the just blood that hath been shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel the just, even unto the blood of Zacharias the son of Barachias, whom you killed between the temple and the altar.
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Poche, read the whole of the 23rd chpter of Matthew's Gospel.
Jesus was only talking to a select few of the Jews of his time, the proud, the sanctimonious, those who look down on others. He wasn't addressing this imprecation to the poor, the humble, those who are trying to do the right thing the best way that they know how. 
Title: St. Felix of Toledo said
Post by: ralgul on March 15, 2020, 05:48:54 AM
"It is known that the Jєωιѕн people are polluted with wickedness, blasphemy, and the shedding of the blood of Jesus Christ so that their wickedness has no limit."
~ St. Felix of Toledo ("On the Condemnation of the Jews," Council XVII of Toledo, Spain, Canon No. 8; PAC, p.376)
Title: Re: St. Felix of Toledo said
Post by: poche on March 22, 2020, 12:43:07 AM
Quote from: ralgul on March 15, 2020, 05:48:54 AM
"It is known that the Jєωιѕн people are polluted with wickedness, blasphemy, and the shedding of the blood of Jesus Christ so that their wickedness has no limit."
~ St. Felix of Toledo ("On the Condemnation of the Jews," Council XVII of Toledo, Spain, Canon No. 8; PAC, p.376)
How is this consistent with Jesus command to love your neighbor?
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: avia on March 22, 2020, 02:47:13 AM
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How is this consistent with Jesus command to love your neighbor?


Warning fellow neighbors about the Jews, who are enemies of God, is an act of charity, which stems from loving your neighbor.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on March 22, 2020, 11:08:31 PM
Quote from: avia on March 22, 2020, 02:47:13 AM


Warning fellow neighbors about the Jews, who are enemies of God, is an act of charity, which stems from loving your neighbor.
A greater act of charity would also to work so that the Jews not be enemies of God by being the embodiment of Christian charity to them. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on March 22, 2020, 11:44:56 PM
The Vatican’s Apostolic Penitentiary has granted a plenary indulgence for people with COVID-19 and for those who care for them, including medical staff and family members, and for those who pray for them.
Announced Friday, a plenary indulgence is granted to Catholics who, infected with the coronavirus and quarantined at home or the hospital by order of health officials, participate spiritually in a devotion such as the rosary or the Way of the Cross.
Catholics around the world who pray for an end to the pandemic, healing for the sick, and the eternal repose of the dead are also granted the indulgence, according to the decree.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/holy-see-grants-indulgence-to-coronavirus-patients-and-catholics-who-pray-for-them-56502 (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/holy-see-grants-indulgence-to-coronavirus-patients-and-catholics-who-pray-for-them-56502)

Here is an opportunity to wipe out all of your time in Purgatory.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on April 26, 2020, 12:42:26 AM
 Pope Francis sent a letter Saturday encouraging Catholics to pray the rosary throughout May. He also shared two new prayers to implore the help of the Virgin Mary during the coronavirus pandemic.
“Contemplating the face of Christ with the heart of Mary our Mother will make us even more united as a spiritual family and will help us overcome this time of trial,” Pope Francis said in a letter April 25.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-urges-catholics-to-unite-through-praying-the-rosary-in-may-27127 (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-urges-catholics-to-unite-through-praying-the-rosary-in-may-27127)
Will you join His Holiness in praying the rosary?
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: STLC on April 26, 2020, 05:22:13 AM
St. John Chrysostom said:

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Well should the Jew mourn who, not believing in Christ, has assigned his soul to perdition... The Jews have Crucified the Son and rejected the Holy Ghost, and their Souls are the abode of the Devil.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on April 26, 2020, 05:40:21 AM
Quote from: STLC on April 26, 2020, 05:22:13 AM
St. John Chrysostom said:
All the more reason to join with His holiness in praying for their conversion. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: STLC on April 26, 2020, 05:45:38 AM
Quote from: poche on April 26, 2020, 05:40:21 AM
All the more reason to join with His holiness in praying for their conversion.

Francis, Benedict XVI, and JPII discouraged the Church from the necessity to convert the Jews.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: BTNYC on April 26, 2020, 12:10:36 PM
Quote from: STLC on April 26, 2020, 05:45:38 AM
Francis, Benedict XVI, and JPII discouraged the Church from the necessity to convert the Jews.

You're casting pearls before swine, friend. The person with whom you're conversing is the forum's resident modernist shill who has blasphemously declared - twice - on this very forum, that St. John Chrysostom's holy sufferings on earth were a direct punishment from God for his "anti-Semitism."

Perhaps a Gofundme page can be started to fund the worthy cause of outbidding Poche - or his benefactor(s) - to overturn his otherwise entirely inexplicable protected status?
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on April 26, 2020, 10:47:31 PM
Quote from: BTNYC on April 26, 2020, 12:10:36 PM
You're casting pearls before swine, friend. The person with whom you're conversing is the forum's resident modernist shill who has blasphemously declared - twice - on this very forum, that St. John Chrysostom's holy sufferings on earth were a direct punishment from God for his "anti-Semitism."

Perhaps a Gofundme page can be started to fund the worthy cause of outbidding Poche - or his benefactor(s) - to overturn his otherwise entirely inexplicable protected status?
Actually when we are talking about St John Chrysostom's holy sufferings we are talking about his purification. Would to God that I and all of the members on this forum could have our Purgatory in this life so as to have a direct entry into Heaven without having to pass through the fires of Purgatory. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: STLC on April 27, 2020, 05:19:01 AM
Quote from: poche on April 26, 2020, 10:47:31 PM
Actually when we are talking about St John Chrysostom's holy sufferings we are talking about his purification. Would to God that I and all of the members on this forum could have our Purgatory in this life so as to have a direct entry into Heaven without having to pass through the fires of Purgatory.

You talk like a serpent. The fact is that those particular earthly sufferings of St. John Chrysostom that you reference are not due to any purported wrongdoing of speaking against the Jews, rather, his sufferings were for him to offer for the greater glory of God, just as Job was sent sufferings not for any wrongdoing on his part. By your "logic" the Blessed Virgin Mary's sufferings on earth were because of wrongdoings on her part which she needed to be purged of through her sorrows. You're a real idiot or an insidious creeper.
Title: Re: St. Felix of Toledo said
Post by: BTNYC on April 27, 2020, 03:34:55 PM
Quote from: poche on March 22, 2020, 12:43:07 AM
How is this consistent with Jesus command to love your neighbor?

So you presume to elevate yourself in judgment over TWO great saints in one thread. The arrogance; the diabolical pride you show here is appalling.

How exactly are you a Catholic? 

What do you do for a living? How much do you pay (or is paid on your behalf) for posting here?
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on April 30, 2020, 11:49:21 PM
Quote from: STLC on April 27, 2020, 05:19:01 AM
You talk like a serpent. The fact is that those particular earthly sufferings of St. John Chrysostom that you reference are not due to any purported wrongdoing of speaking against the Jews, rather, his sufferings were for him to offer for the greater glory of God, just as Job was sent sufferings not for any wrongdoing on his part. By your "logic" the Blessed Virgin Mary's sufferings on earth were because of wrongdoings on her part which she needed to be purged of through her sorrows. You're a real idiot or an insidious creeper.
We all should offer all of our sufferings up for the greater glory of God. Our sufferings give us the opportunity to do penance for whatever sins we may have committed. It is my hope for myself and for all of the people who post here that we can have our Purgatory here in this life rather than in the next.   
Title: Re: St. Felix of Toledo said
Post by: poche on April 30, 2020, 11:50:43 PM
Quote from: BTNYC on April 27, 2020, 03:34:55 PM
So you presume to elevate yourself in judgment over TWO great saints in one thread. The arrogance; the diabolical pride you show here is appalling.

How exactly are you a Catholic?

What do you do for a living? How much do you pay (or is paid on your behalf) for posting here?
I elevate myself over no one. I am simply making observations and making suggestions.   
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: BTNYC on May 01, 2020, 10:16:16 AM
Quote from: poche on April 30, 2020, 11:49:21 PM
We all should offer all of our sufferings up for the greater glory of God. Our sufferings give us the opportunity to do penance for whatever sins we may have committed. It is my hope for myself and for all of the people who post here that we can have our Purgatory here in this life rather than in the next.  

(https://cdn.britannica.com/19/92719-050-9BCF72B7/Mozambique-spitting-cobra-species-one-snakes-country.jpg) (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.britannica.com%2Flist%2F9-of-the-worlds-deadliest-snakes&psig=AOvVaw1WTKKv2tkxIMrOyrD37UXJ&ust=1588432542609000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCJj0mcD6kukCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD)
Title: Re: St. Felix of Toledo said
Post by: BTNYC on May 01, 2020, 10:18:16 AM
Quote from: poche on April 30, 2020, 11:50:43 PM
I elevate myself over no one. I am simply making observations and making suggestions.  
27. 

...With all this in mind, one understands how it is that the Modernists express astonishment when they are reprimanded or punished. What is imputed to them as a fault they regard as a sacred duty. Being in intimate contact with consciences they know better than anybody else, and certainly better than the ecclesiastical authority, what needs exist - nay, they embody them, so to speak, in themselves. Having a voice and a pen they use both publicly, for this is their duty. Let authority rebuke them as much as it pleases - they have their own conscience on their side and an intimate experience which tells them with certainty that what they deserve is not blame but praise. Then they reflect that, after all there is no progress without a battle and no battle without its victim, and victims they are willing to be like the prophets and Christ Himself. They have no bitterness in their hearts against the authority which uses them roughly, for after all it is only doing its duty as authority. Their sole grief is that it remains deaf to their warnings, because delay multiplies the obstacles which impede the progress of souls, but the hour will most surely come when there will be no further chance for tergiversation, for if the laws of evolution may be checked for a while, they cannot be ultimately destroyed. And so they go their way, reprimands and condemnations notwithstanding, masking an incredible audacity under a mock semblance of humility. While they make a show of bowing their heads, their hands and minds are more intent than ever on carrying out their purposes. And this policy they follow willingly and wittingly, both because it is part of their system that authority is to be stimulated but not dethroned, and because it is necessary for them to remain within the ranks of the Church in order that they may gradually transform the collective conscience - thus unconsciously avowing that the common conscience is not with them, and that they have no right to claim to be its interpreters.

- Pope St. Pius X, Pascendi Dominici Gregis
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: songbird on May 01, 2020, 02:39:44 PM
I don't pray with heretics.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on May 01, 2020, 03:04:15 PM
JESUS is our Lord and savior!  We all need to focus on Him.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on May 02, 2020, 12:50:07 AM
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on May 01, 2020, 03:04:15 PM
JESUS is our Lord and savior!  We all need to focus on Him.
I agree. I also ask Our Blessed Mother Mary to pray for me that I may do as God wills.  
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: CatholicMonarchist on May 02, 2020, 08:00:03 AM
Quote from: BTNYC on May 01, 2020, 10:16:16 AM
(https://cdn.britannica.com/19/92719-050-9BCF72B7/Mozambique-spitting-cobra-species-one-snakes-country.jpg) (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.britannica.com%2Flist%2F9-of-the-worlds-deadliest-snakes&psig=AOvVaw1WTKKv2tkxIMrOyrD37UXJ&ust=1588432542609000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCJj0mcD6kukCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD)
:laugh2:
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on May 02, 2020, 07:17:21 PM
"Maybe we'll see each other in Hell?"  Says Papa Francis!

https://novusordowatch.org/2020/05/francis-jokes-about-hell/
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Donan on May 02, 2020, 07:21:07 PM
Francis jokes that Scotch Whisky is the real Holy Water.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/felipeschrieberg/2020/04/16/pope-francis-jokes-that-scotch-whisky-is-the-real-holy-water/ (https://www.forbes.com/sites/felipeschrieberg/2020/04/16/pope-francis-jokes-that-scotch-whisky-is-the-real-holy-water/)
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on May 02, 2020, 11:35:21 PM
Quote from: Donan on May 02, 2020, 07:21:07 PM
Francis jokes that Scotch Whisky is the real Holy Water.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/felipeschrieberg/2020/04/16/pope-francis-jokes-that-scotch-whisky-is-the-real-holy-water/ (https://www.forbes.com/sites/felipeschrieberg/2020/04/16/pope-francis-jokes-that-scotch-whisky-is-the-real-holy-water/)
Maybe I should take to drinking holy water?
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: BTNYC on May 03, 2020, 12:50:44 AM
Quote from: poche on May 02, 2020, 11:35:21 PM
Maybe I should take to drinking holy water?

Stick to whisky. It'll burn your gullet less on the way down.
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: poche on May 03, 2020, 05:04:57 AM
Quote from: BTNYC on May 03, 2020, 12:50:44 AM
Stick to whisky. It'll burn your gullet less on the way down.
I ask that you pray for me that that not be the case. 
Title: Re: Pope Francis said
Post by: Yeti on May 03, 2020, 11:25:41 PM
"Pope" Francis said, "Maybe we'll see each other in hell!" (https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/'maybe-we'll-see-each-other-in-hell'-says-papa-francis!/)