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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: ThatBritPapist on March 14, 2024, 03:27:28 AM
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Correct if I’m wrong CI,
This is the only picture of Pope Francis wearing a Traditional Catholic vestment.
The context is this is prior to the 2013 conclave and he was a visiting bishop for Basilica of San Lorenzo. He didn’t choose the fiddle back (no surprises) rather the resident Sacristan did.
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Those are not Traditional vestments, merely a quasi-Roman-style (what-used-to-be-called) chasuble. And this one almost looks half Gothic in how it flares out. No amice, stole, maniple, etc.
Bergoglio’s version here flares out at the bottom, looking almost like a Masonic apron.
Gothic vestments were in use prior to Vatican II as well.
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Sacred Congregation of Rites banned the Gothic in 1927 but then Pius XI was seen wearing them and the prohibition was reversed in 1957.
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The chasuble looks traditional to me. But yes, it's weird that he's only wearing an alb and the chasuble. He's actually wearing the stole too, which you can see just barely sticking out under the chasuble at the bottom. He's wearing it straight down in front, as a bishop would, so it's not visible in the hole in the center of the chasuble.
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Poor Bergoglio! It must have caused him tremendous pain to wear that thing. It's actually a beautiful vestment, though.
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Poor Bergoglio! It must have caused him tremendous pain to wear that thing. It's actually a beautiful vestment, though.
Hmmm. I don't like it. But, as they say, de gustibus non disputandum.
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The chasuble looks traditional to me. But yes, it's weird that he's only wearing an alb and the chasuble.
That's NO style for you. They got rid of the amice and maniples.
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That's NO style for you. They got rid of the amice and maniples.
Rabbi Berg appears to be wearing an amice ... incorrectly as one sees in many contemporary church goods catalogues.
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Rabbi Berg appears to be wearing an amice ... incorrectly as one sees in many contemporary church goods catalogues.
Hmm. I'm not seeing it, but then my eyes aren't the greatest anymore.
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Hmm. I'm not seeing it, but then my eyes aren't the greatest anymore.
Bergoglio seems to be wearing an amice this way instead of tucking it in around the collar:
(https://i.imgur.com/0LzKKsA.png)
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How do we know it's even a real image?
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How can the above chasuble be called traditional when it only came into use in the last couple hundred years. St Charles Borromeo set down dimensions for vestments and the above is no where close.
At the elevation it is hardly necessary to hold up the garment when it is this short.
An excerpt from the following site.
" In the 16th century, Saint Charles, objecting to these extreme modifications, laid down his regulations to remind priests and vestment-makers of the importance of preserving the centuries-old Tradition. It was obviously regarded by S. Charles as most important that the chasuble continue to be a garment that fully covered the celebrant, being both long (reaching almost to the heels) and wide (51 inches, between the elbow and the wrist)."
http://saintbedestudio.blogspot.com/2008/02/styles-and-tradition-in-chasuble-of.html
Also, it is sad to see the cross disappear from the front along with what it symbolized.
"A priest clad in sacred vestments, is Christ's viceregent, that he may suppliantly and humbly pray to God for himself and all the people.
He hath before and behind him the sign of the cross of our Lord, that he may ever remember the Passion of Christ.
Before him he beareth the cross on the chasuble, that he may diligently behold the footsteps of Christ, and fervently endeavor to follow after them.
Behind him he is marked with the cross, that he may mildly suffer for God's sake whatsoever adversities befall him from others.
He weareth the cross before that he may bewail his own sins: and behind that through compassion he may lament the sins of others, and know that he is placed in the midst, between God and the sinner"
From the Immitation of Christ Book 4 Chapt 5
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He looks very different in the picture. I was trying to figure out what it was. Glasses???
Is it just me or is it interesting how he almost always wore glasses before being elected and then suddenly never seems to wear them?
Check out the two pictures in this article. Wow... 😅
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2293150/Pope-Francis-I-ditches-glasses-goes-church-morning-Pope.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2293150/Pope-Francis-I-ditches-glasses-goes-church-morning-Pope.html)
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How do we know it's even a real image?
I just tried to do a visual search on the internet and came up with nothing. In fact, on closer examination that background looks totally fake or from some other picture. OP: Where did you get the image?
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I just tried to do a visual search on the internet and came up with nothing. In fact, on closer examination that background looks totally fake or from some other picture. OP: Where did you get the image?
I did a Google image search and the picture came right up ... here. Evidently from 2012 when he was still just a "Cardinal", in Rome, at St. Paul Outside the Walls.
https://ar.pinterest.com/pin/857232110347224802/
https://fratresinunum.com/2022/06/29/comunhao-sacrilega-e-novo-docuмento-sobre-a-liturgia-ambos-hoje-no-vaticano/
https://www.korazym.org/76141/i-merletti-della-nonna-caminante-wanderer-miopia-intellettuale-meschinita-di-spirito-e-ignoranza-liturgica-teologica-ed-ecuмenica-triste-e-forse-terminale-intervento/
https://blog.messainlatino.it/2022/06/il-card-bergoglio-con-pianeta-e.html
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I did a Google image search and the picture came right up ... here. Evidently from 2012 when he was still just a "Cardinal", in Rome, at St. Paul Outside the Walls.
https://ar.pinterest.com/pin/857232110347224802/
https://fratresinunum.com/2022/06/29/comunhao-sacrilega-e-novo-docuмento-sobre-a-liturgia-ambos-hoje-no-vaticano/
https://www.korazym.org/76141/i-merletti-della-nonna-caminante-wanderer-miopia-intellettuale-meschinita-di-spirito-e-ignoranza-liturgica-teologica-ed-ecuмenica-triste-e-forse-terminale-intervento/
https://blog.messainlatino.it/2022/06/il-card-bergoglio-con-pianeta-e.html
Not sure why nothing came up for me. But, this image still looks fake to me.
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Not sure why nothing came up for me. But, this image still looks fake to me.
I agree. Something does look off. I'm guess Princess Catherine is still trying her hand at Photoshop.