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LaramieHirsch · « **on:** September 09, 2016, 02:10:11 PM »

I don't have much time, so I'm just throwing this news up there. Gotta go to work, now.

Pope Francis' New Tulsa Bishop Cancelling Traditional Exorcism Society

http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2016/09/pope-francis-new-tulsa-bishop.html

This is outrageous. Talk to you all later.

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #1 on:** September 09, 2016, 02:43:22 PM »

very true.

poche · « **Reply #2 on:** September 10, 2016, 12:52:36 AM »

Quote from: LaramieHirsch

I don't have much time, so I'm just throwing this news up there. Gotta go to work, now.

Pope Francis' New Tulsa Bishop Cancelling Traditional Exorcism Society

http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2016/09/pope-francis-new-tulsa-bishop.html

This is outrageous. Talk to you all later.

So far this is all gossip.

Oatmeal · « **Reply #3 on:** September 10, 2016, 01:43:26 AM »

I wouldn't be at all surprised if this turns out to be true. When I saw pictures of the bishop-elect carving his crosier out of a 2X4 with some power tools in his workshop, and once I began reading about his background, my first thought was that the days Fr. Ripperger's work were numbered. There was no way this guy was going to tolerate something like that in his diocese.

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #4 on:** September 10, 2016, 01:44:53 AM »

Quote from: poche

Quote from: LaramieHirsch
I don't have much time, so I'm just throwing this news up there. Gotta go to work, now.

Pope Francis' New Tulsa Bishop Cancelling Traditional Exorcism Society

http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2016/09/pope-francis-new-tulsa-bishop.html

This is outrageous. Talk to you all later.

So far this is all gossip.

What makes it gossip, Poche?

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #5 on:** September 10, 2016, 01:51:00 AM »

Quote from: Oatmeal

I wouldn't be at all surprised if this turns out to be true. When I saw pictures of the bishop-elect carving his crosier out of a 2X4 with some power tools in his workshop, and once I began reading about his background, my first thought was that the days Fr. Ripperger's work were numbered. There was no way this guy was going to tolerate something like that in his diocese.

Indeed.

And just what kind of a bishop is a college chaplain going to make? I can't think of any caste of priest more divorced from the rest of society--other than the kinds who work in Rome.

As I read on Vox Cantoris today: "The real "revolution" of Pope Francis takes place through appointments."

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #6 on:** September 10, 2016, 06:39:07 AM »

Quote from: poche

Quote from: LaramieHirsch
I don't have much time, so I'm just throwing this news up there. Gotta go to work, now.

Pope Francis' New Tulsa Bishop Cancelling Traditional Exorcism Society

http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2016/09/pope-francis-new-tulsa-bishop.html

This is outrageous. Talk to you all later.

So far this is all gossip.

Tonight, I thought of at least 4 reasons that this needs to be addressed, rather than ignored and allowed to fade from memory.

http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2016/09/new-tulsa-bishop-does-away-with.html

My state was first besieged by Satanists. Now, my diocese is becoming infiltrated by a modernist bishop.

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New Tulsa Bishop Does Away With Exorcist Society: Part 2

This is no joke. This is not some frivolous accusation. It is a real thing that is happening in the Diocese of Tulsa. When I broke this news yesterday, I did so confidently, and with no qualms about it. As of this moment, the diocese, now being run by Bishop Konderla, will not support the exorcist society here.

Several colleagues online have rolled their eyes at this news and dismissed it as gossip. However, the contacts that I speak to are aware of the friction between this new bishop and the exorcist society. Contacts--plural. More than one. They will remain anonymous.

Tonight, I can think of four reasons to draw attention to this topic.

# # #

1. This demonstrates the handiwork of Pope Francis.

As was recently stated in the Italian magazine, Il Timone: The real revolution of Pope Francis takes place through appointments. We have seen that Pope Francis-appointed Archbishop Cuprich bans Latin Mass congregations, and that he believes divorced and remarried couples, and even sodomite "couples," should be free to receive Holy Communion. We have seen a Pope Francis-appointed Australian bishop declare that Catholics should simply accept sodomy. Consider another Pope Francis appointee, Archbishop Paglia, who is responsible for releasing a dangerous sex education program.

Pope Francis does not have a good track record of appointees. Well...not good for Catholics who favor the traditions of the Catholic Church. For Freemasons, Pope Francis' track record is fabulous. It is a simple fact that Pope Francis throws out any conservative recommendations for bishops, and looks for the most progressive candidates, choosing them himself.

2. There will be nowhere to go for exorcisms

The society that was being led by Fr. Ripperger was a Traditional society of exorcists. They were driving demons out of individuals and families. Their work has been unique and sorely needed, as the intensity and number of demonic possessions and obsessions has increased dramatically in the region.

Fr. Ripperger is a wildly popular priest, and his online lectures are viewed and listened to by many Catholics. There has been a clear need for the kind of work done by The Society of the Most Sorrowful Mother. And yet, things will be winding down because this bishop will not support them.

"This is the last retreat for 2016 with Fr. Ripperger. At this time, Fr. Ripperger is only speaking at OSMM in Vandalia, IL. He is not speaking at any other venues due to his Priestly obligations. We are hoping to host Fr. Ripperger next year. We will publish Dates for 2017 as soon as they become available."

For this service to be neglected or even shut down is a travesty and a disservice to the laity of this region that I live in.

In fact, I can reveal that one of my anonymous sources learned about Bishop Konderla's action when they approached The Society of the Most Sorrowful Mother, here in Tulsa, for spiritual exorcist help. This person had to be turned away because the society is not going to be supported by the local diocese any longer, and things are being forced to wind down.

This suppression is a major disservice to the society's benefactors and donors. It is an insult that this shut-down wasn't announced by Bishop Konderla before my source went for help. Why I am the one to break this news on this blog, and not the diocese on their website, is ridiculous. I imagine it is to avoid the bad press.

3. This is a sign of things to come for Tulsans

This entire incident reminds me of when, soon after Pope Francis became pope, he suppressed the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. Here, we have a new bishop from the middle of nowhere--a Texas A&M University chaplain--who suddenly is appointed bishop in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Like our pope, he comes off as a humble guy, and he even likes to do woodwork. So be nice, everyone! But then? BAM! Suppression of a "crypto-Lefebvrian" society.

If this major action, this suppression, is the tone of this man's reign--that is, modernist intolerance--then I do not doubt that, in the near future, more people in this city and region will be further deprived of even more Traditional Catholic sources of relief. What do I mean by that? Perhaps the further suppression of Traditional things...like diocesan Latin Mass. Ad Orientum. Who knows? Maybe we'll see rainbow flag rainments soon.

4. This trounces upon the work of the former Bishop Slattery

Bishop Slattery was known worldwide as being one of the best Traditional Catholic bishops. His actions, surely, were a great offense to the modernist kabal that is running the Vatican. One of the last things Bishop Slattery did, back in the Spring of 2015, was to celebrate the official founding of the Society of the Sorrowful Mother. He did this downtown, at Holy Family Cathedral. This was a Solemn Pontifical Mass, which is a rare treat to observe. (I was fortunate enough to witness one of these.)

I did not agree with Bishop Slattery on everything. But I think I can say I agreed with him on most of what he said and did. And to destroy this, one of the last good things he did as our bishop, is an insult to the people of my diocese.

To think, an outsider with no connection to the people here, would come in and wipe things away thoughtlessly, without a care in the world about the natives. This man, Bishop Konderla, comes into our land without taking into consideration how the people of this diocese think. Who does he think he is? Either this new bishop is ignorant or he is malicious.

# # #

Look, it is not as if I am some random guy in the world talking about some distant celebrity I've never met. This is a local issue for me. I am in the area. I have even met Fr. Ripperger in person several times. He's a brilliant, sharp, capable man of God. He has done a great service for hundreds, if not thousands of people.

Fr. Ripperger and The Society of the Most Sorrowful Mother should not be neglected by we, the laity. Those priests deserve our support, our backup, our cover fire. We should call the bishop's office, and we should demand that this suppression cease immediately. This situation deserves our outrage.

At this time in our lives, public, Satanic rituals are being held in neighboring Oklahoma City on an annual basis on public property. For God's sake, why is Bishop Konderla thinking he should be suppressing the exorcists, here in Tulsa? One would think we would need them because of the rise in Satanic activity.

TKGS · « **Reply #7 on:** September 10, 2016, 07:30:24 AM »

I have some questions. I don't think some of this has been explained in the topic.

What is an "Exorcist Society"? I know that a diocese typically might have an exorcist, but I've not heard of an Exorcist Society before.

Is Fr. Ripperger a diocesan priest? What is his status in the diocese?

Why does any of this matter? After all, if the new bishop is a successor of the Apostles, shouldn't Conciliar catholics accept his spiritual direction and guidance as to the best pastoral means to lead souls to God? (In case anyone is extremely dense, yes, this last question is facetious.)

OHCA · « **Reply #8 on:** September 10, 2016, 07:36:46 AM »

Quote from: LaramieHirsch

Quote from: Oatmeal
I wouldn't be at all surprised if this turns out to be true. When I saw pictures of the bishop-elect carving his crosier out of a 2X4 with some power tools in his workshop, and once I began reading about his background, my first thought was that the days Fr. Ripperger's work were numbered. There was no way this guy was going to tolerate something like that in his diocese.

Indeed.

And just what kind of a bishop is a college chaplain going to make? I can't think of any caste of priest more divorced from the rest of society--other than the kinds who work in Rome.

As I read on Vox Cantoris today: "The real "revolution" of Pope Francis takes place through appointments."

When I was in college and had not found my way out of conciliardom yet, the college chaplain lead us in some real nifty meditation new age bull$#!+. Also, same prietender would do "mass" as fast as he could after small group functions, literally articulating that he was trying to break his own record.

I attended "mass" on campus a few times after I graduated, and the new prietender was a great comedian from the pulpit and a few times when his funny-bone struck him at other points of the "mass."

Perhaps I have more aptly dubbed it "the Frank the Fraud the Fraud Circus," than I had even realized if he is making clowns like this "bishops."

OHCA · « **Reply #9 on:** September 10, 2016, 07:48:59 AM »

Quote from: LaramieHirsch

Quote from: poche
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
I don't have much time, so I'm just throwing this news up there. Gotta go to work, now.

Pope Francis' New Tulsa Bishop Cancelling Traditional Exorcism Society

http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2016/09/pope-francis-new-tulsa-bishop.html

This is outrageous. Talk to you all later.

So far this is all gossip.

Tonight, I thought of at least 4 reasons that this needs to be addressed, rather than ignored and allowed to fade from memory.

http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2016/09/new-tulsa-bishop-does-away-with.html

My state was first besieged by Satanists. Now, my diocese is becoming infiltrated by a modernist bishop.

Quote

New Tulsa Bishop Does Away With Exorcist Society: Part 2

This is no joke. This is not some frivolous accusation. It is a real thing that is happening in the Diocese of Tulsa. When I broke this news yesterday, I did so confidently, and with no qualms about it. As of this moment, the diocese, now being run by Bishop Konderla, will not support the exorcist society here.

Several colleagues online have rolled their eyes at this news and dismissed it as gossip. However, the contacts that I speak to are aware of the friction between this new bishop and the exorcist society. Contacts--plural. More than one. They will remain anonymous.

Tonight, I can think of four reasons to draw attention to this topic.

# # #

1. This demonstrates the handiwork of Pope Francis.

As was recently stated in the Italian magazine, Il Timone: The real revolution of Pope Francis takes place through appointments. We have seen that Pope Francis-appointed Archbishop Cuprich bans Latin Mass congregations, and that he believes divorced and remarried couples, and even sodomite "couples," should be free to receive Holy Communion. We have seen a Pope Francis-appointed Australian bishop declare that Catholics should simply accept sodomy. Consider another Pope Francis appointee, Archbishop Paglia, who is responsible for releasing a dangerous sex education program.

Pope Francis does not have a good track record of appointees. Well...not good for Catholics who favor the traditions of the Catholic Church. For Freemasons, Pope Francis' track record is fabulous. It is a simple fact that Pope Francis throws out any conservative recommendations for bishops, and looks for the most progressive candidates, choosing them himself.

2. There will be nowhere to go for exorcisms

The society that was being led by Fr. Ripperger was a Traditional society of exorcists. They were driving demons out of individuals and families. Their work has been unique and sorely needed, as the intensity and number of demonic possessions and obsessions has increased dramatically in the region.

Fr. Ripperger is a wildly popular priest, and his online lectures are viewed and listened to by many Catholics. There has been a clear need for the kind of work done by The Society of the Most Sorrowful Mother. And yet, things will be winding down because this bishop will not support them.

"This is the last retreat for 2016 with Fr. Ripperger. At this time, Fr. Ripperger is only speaking at OSMM in Vandalia, IL. He is not speaking at any other venues due to his Priestly obligations. We are hoping to host Fr. Ripperger next year. We will publish Dates for 2017 as soon as they become available."

For this service to be neglected or even shut down is a travesty and a disservice to the laity of this region that I live in.

In fact, I can reveal that one of my anonymous sources learned about Bishop Konderla's action when they approached The Society of the Most Sorrowful Mother, here in Tulsa, for spiritual exorcist help. This person had to be turned away because the society is not going to be supported by the local diocese any longer, and things are being forced to wind down.

This suppression is a major disservice to the society's benefactors and donors. It is an insult that this shut-down wasn't announced by Bishop Konderla before my source went for help. Why I am the one to break this news on this blog, and not the diocese on their website, is ridiculous. I imagine it is to avoid the bad press.

3. This is a sign of things to come for Tulsans

This entire incident reminds me of when, soon after Pope Francis became pope, he suppressed the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. Here, we have a new bishop from the middle of nowhere--a Texas A&M University chaplain--who suddenly is appointed bishop in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Like our pope, he comes off as a humble guy, and he even likes to do woodwork. So be nice, everyone! But then? BAM! Suppression of a "crypto-Lefebvrian" society.

If this major action, this suppression, is the tone of this man's reign--that is, modernist intolerance--then I do not doubt that, in the near future, more people in this city and region will be further deprived of even more Traditional Catholic sources of relief. What do I mean by that? Perhaps the further suppression of Traditional things...like diocesan Latin Mass. Ad Orientum. Who knows? Maybe we'll see rainbow flag rainments soon.

4. This trounces upon the work of the former Bishop Slattery

Bishop Slattery was known worldwide as being one of the best Traditional Catholic bishops. His actions, surely, were a great offense to the modernist kabal that is running the Vatican. One of the last things Bishop Slattery did, back in the Spring of 2015, was to celebrate the official founding of the Society of the Sorrowful Mother. He did this downtown, at Holy Family Cathedral. This was a Solemn Pontifical Mass, which is a rare treat to observe. (I was fortunate enough to witness one of these.)

I did not agree with Bishop Slattery on everything. But I think I can say I agreed with him on most of what he said and did. And to destroy this, one of the last good things he did as our bishop, is an insult to the people of my diocese.

To think, an outsider with no connection to the people here, would come in and wipe things away thoughtlessly, without a care in the world about the natives. This man, Bishop Konderla, comes into our land without taking into consideration how the people of this diocese think. Who does he think he is? Either this new bishop is ignorant or he is malicious.

# # #

Look, it is not as if I am some random guy in the world talking about some distant celebrity I've never met. This is a local issue for me. I am in the area. I have even met Fr. Ripperger in person several times. He's a brilliant, sharp, capable man of God. He has done a great service for hundreds, if not thousands of people.

Fr. Ripperger and The Society of the Most Sorrowful Mother should not be neglected by we, the laity. Those priests deserve our support, our backup, our cover fire. We should call the bishop's office, and we should demand that this suppression cease immediately. This situation deserves our outrage.

At this time in our lives, public, Satanic rituals are being held in neighboring Oklahoma City on an annual basis on public property. For God's sake, why is Bishop Konderla thinking he should be suppressing the exorcists, here in Tulsa? One would think we would need them because of the rise in Satanic activity.

I wouldn't worry much about Poche calling it gossip. Poche is a child of the 1960s--a time when all of the grown-ups were policing each other not to question the changes (sometimes subtle/sometimes not so subtle--ripping out communion rails, funky music, strange sermons, etc.) in Mother Church. The point of not "gossiping" is that it's easier for the heretical bastards to achieve their agendas if they can stay under radar until it's accomplished.

You are alerting the community which is a good thing--especially in the chaos of conciliardom and even more so under the reign of Frank the Fraud. If your info is inaccurate, it is easy for the good "bishop" to correct the point, clarify whatever caused the confusion with your sources, or challenge their assertions as outright lies if they are. So don't worry about the take a mush-mouthed child of "the Council" has on your efforts.

nctradcath · « **Reply #10 on:** September 10, 2016, 08:11:21 AM »

The above post is the best response to poche that I have ever read. I give it two thumbs up.

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #11 on:** September 10, 2016, 11:07:53 AM »

If the news is true, then that would be pretty dumb of the bishop to do such a thing. I have the idea now that the increase in demonic activity in Oklahoma could have something to do with maybe past exiled native tribes performing pagan practices in the area.

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #12 on:** September 10, 2016, 02:19:01 PM »

Quote from: OHCA

When I was in college and had not found my way out of conciliardom yet, the college chaplain lead us in some real nifty meditation new age bull$#!+. Also, same prietender would do "mass" as fast as he could after small group functions, literally articulating that he was trying to break his own record.

I attended "mass" on campus a few times after I graduated, and the new prietender was a great comedian from the pulpit and a few times when his funny-bone struck him at other points of the "mass."

No kidding. I mean, isn't it the case that college chaplain priests are sort of shallow in their ministries?

I'm sure there's an outlier. But please don't use the exception as the rule. Most college chaplains are...tapioca.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #13 on:** September 10, 2016, 06:18:56 PM »

Quote from: LaramieHirsch

At this time in our lives, public, Satanic rituals are being held in neighboring Oklahoma City on an annual basis on public property. For God's sake, why is Bishop Konderla thinking he should be suppressing the exorcists, here in Tulsa? One would think we would need them because of the rise in Satanic activity.

Those public satanic rituals being held in Oklahoma City (with the approval of the local government BTW) on public property could well be having an effect. One such effect could explain why Bishop Konderla now wants to suppress the exorcists there in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

From your viewpoint, and from the viewpoint of any decent Catholic, yes, we would need the exorcists because of the rise in satanic activity.

However, when someone is being influenced by the devil, he would not share that view.

It all depends on your point of perspective.

And remember, Vatican II was all about considering alternative perspectives!

josefamenendez · « **Reply #14 on:** September 10, 2016, 11:14:51 PM »

It's true.