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Offline Tradman

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Re: Pope Francis must be resisted.
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2022, 12:07:04 AM »
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  • You have it entirely backwards.  If the Conciliar Church represents a substantial departure from the Catholic Church, then to claim that it's "legit" would be to assert that the Church has substantially changed, which is not compatible with the indefectibility of the Church.

    https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03744a.htm

    I reject the notion that the church departed from the church to the point that 98% of the laity were left to spiritually starve and unknowingly fall outside the church. Yea, Catholics got sucker punched, but changes came from the top down. Our Lord did not abandon His sheep however, even if many ignored the seriousness of what was happening. What is bound on earth is bound in heaven is for the protection of the laity. I do not doubt that the sacraments were maintained for the salvation of souls. I know this is true because I was in the NO for years after the initiation of VII.  I still went to mass, visited the Blessed Sacrament on Saturday evenings, and tried to live a Catholic life in spite of nutty priests.  I didn't fall away.  I eventually found tradition by God's grace, thankfully. So at what point along that journey can you prove that I was outside the church idolizing mere bread or confessing to laymen?     


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    Re: Pope Francis must be resisted.
    « Reply #31 on: December 05, 2022, 12:09:32 AM »
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  • Okay, I was responding to your statement

    "And yes, I can disobey any sinful command he gives."

    According to Pope Pius XI you can't both recognize and resist.

    To do so would put you in schism.

    Also, would you recognize and accept a Muslim as pope?

    How about a Hindu?

    Would you worship "in union with" them?  (una cuм?)

    "8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. 9As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema.

    10For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? If I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ."
    Galatians 1



    Bull of Pope Paul IVcuм Ex Apostolatus Officio, 1559

    https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/quotes-from-theologians-supporting-the-sedevacantist-position/
    Catholics have recognized and resisted for centuries because few authorities were saints.  


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    Re: Pope Francis must be resisted.
    « Reply #32 on: December 05, 2022, 12:14:07 AM »
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  • Catholics have recognized and resisted for centuries because few authorities were saints. 

    True, but we are not talking about mere sinners.

    We are talking about men who worship strange gods.


    Fear not! 

    Letter of St. Athanasius

    St. Athanasius lived in the 4th century and was the bishop of Alexandria in Egypt for 46 years. Banned from his diocese at least five times, he spent a total of 17 years in exile. The famous convert to the Church, Cardinal John Henry Newman, described him as a "principal instrument after the Apostles by which the sacred truths of Christianity have been conveyed and secured to the world."

    Often referred to as the Champion of Orthodoxy, St. Athanasius was undoubtedly one of the most courageous defenders of the Faith in the entire history of the Church. If anyone can be singled out as a saint for our times, surely it is St. Athanasius. The following letter of his could, almost word for word, have been written yesterday.

    Get the book: St. Athanasius: Defender of the Faith>




    Letter of St. Athanasius to his flock

    May God console you! ...What saddens you ...is the fact that others have occupied the churches by violence, while during this time you are on the outside. It is a fact that they have the premises─but you have the apostolic Faith. They can occupy our churches, but they are outside the true Faith. You remain outside the places of worship, but the Faith dwells within you. Let us consider: what is more important, the place or the Faith? The true Faith, obviously. Who has lost and who has won in this struggle-the one who keeps the premises or the one who keeps the Faith?

    True, the premises are good when the apostolic Faith is preached there; they are holy if everything takes place there in a holy way ...You are the ones who are happy: you who remain within the church by your faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis.

    No one, ever, will prevail against your faith, beloved brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day.

    Thus, the more violently they try to occupy the places of worship, the more they separate themselves from the Church. They claim that they represent the Church; but in reality, they are the ones who are expelling themselves from it and going astray.

    Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ.



    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Pope Francis must be resisted.
    « Reply #33 on: December 05, 2022, 12:27:45 AM »
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  • True, but we are not talking about mere sinners.

    We are talking about men who worship strange gods.


    Fear not!

    Letter of St. Athanasius

    St. Athanasius lived in the 4th century and was the bishop of Alexandria in Egypt for 46 years. Banned from his diocese at least five times, he spent a total of 17 years in exile. The famous convert to the Church, Cardinal John Henry Newman, described him as a "principal instrument after the Apostles by which the sacred truths of Christianity have been conveyed and secured to the world."

    Often referred to as the Champion of Orthodoxy, St. Athanasius was undoubtedly one of the most courageous defenders of the Faith in the entire history of the Church. If anyone can be singled out as a saint for our times, surely it is St. Athanasius. The following letter of his could, almost word for word, have been written yesterday.

    Get the book: St. Athanasius: Defender of the Faith>




    Letter of St. Athanasius to his flock

    May God console you! ...What saddens you ...is the fact that others have occupied the churches by violence, while during this time you are on the outside. It is a fact that they have the premises─but you have the apostolic Faith. They can occupy our churches, but they are outside the true Faith. You remain outside the places of worship, but the Faith dwells within you. Let us consider: what is more important, the place or the Faith? The true Faith, obviously. Who has lost and who has won in this struggle-the one who keeps the premises or the one who keeps the Faith?

    True, the premises are good when the apostolic Faith is preached there; they are holy if everything takes place there in a holy way ...You are the ones who are happy: you who remain within the church by your faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis.

    No one, ever, will prevail against your faith, beloved brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day.

    Thus, the more violently they try to occupy the places of worship, the more they separate themselves from the Church. They claim that they represent the Church; but in reality, they are the ones who are expelling themselves from it and going astray.

    Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ.
    Thank goodness for St. Athanasius for encouraging the laity when evil men occupied the positions of authority.  Still, the pervasive evil of that time didn't negate the legitimacy and efficacy of the sacraments which is what is being suggested here.  Bad Catholics fell away due to scandal and good Catholics held the faith in spite of the riff raff.  Same same.    

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    Re: Pope Francis must be resisted.
    « Reply #34 on: December 05, 2022, 07:17:28 AM »
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  • True, but we are not talking about mere sinners.

    We are talking about men who worship strange gods.

    I don't think he wants to address this distinction.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: Pope Francis must be resisted.
    « Reply #35 on: December 05, 2022, 07:52:11 AM »
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  • I still went to mass, visited the Blessed Sacrament on Saturday evenings, and tried to live a Catholic life in spite of nutty priests.  I didn't fall away.    

    Then count yourself blessed and among the few, as I'm sure you do already.  The statistics of 'the fruit' of the Vatican II religion simply shows the almost complete demolition of the Catholic religion - in belief (Real Presence, Contraception, etc.) and attendance (no vocations, pitiful mass numbers across the board). 

    The Catholic religion was substituted, per Pope Saint Paul VI, by the Religion of Man and it was organized and carried out by the apostates, heretics, masons, communists, well, you know... they simply aren't the same religion, nor are they meant to be.

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    Re: Pope Francis must be resisted.
    « Reply #36 on: December 05, 2022, 08:08:01 AM »
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  • Then count yourself blessed and among the few, as I'm sure you do already.  The statistics of 'the fruit' of the Vatican II religion simply shows the almost complete demolition of the Catholic religion - in belief (Real Presence, Contraception, etc.) and attendance (no vocations, pitiful mass numbers across the board). 

    The Catholic religion was substituted, per Pope Saint Paul VI, by the Religion of Man and it was organized and carried out by the apostates, heretics, masons, communists, well, you know... they simply aren't the same religion, nor are they meant to be.
    You explained that very well. One of the many nails in the coffin for me regarding the novus ordo sect was when Ratzinger stated that Jєωs don't need Christ to be saved. You realize that all this expertise in theology is pretty much worthless because he can't grasp...or basically just dismisses the entire message of the Gospel, which he is supposed to be the supreme authority on earth. And then there is the staggering amount of corruption he either facilitated or just turned a blind eye to, like his predecessor, when it came to the abuse of children.  

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    Re: Pope Francis must be resisted.
    « Reply #37 on: December 05, 2022, 08:30:28 AM »
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  • I reject the notion that the church departed from the church to the point that 98% of the laity were left to spiritually starve and unknowingly fall outside the church. Yea, Catholics got sucker punched, but changes came from the top down. Our Lord did not abandon His sheep however, even if many ignored the seriousness of what was happening. What is bound on earth is bound in heaven is for the protection of the laity. I do not doubt that the sacraments were maintained for the salvation of souls. I know this is true because I was in the NO for years after the initiation of VII.  I still went to mass, visited the Blessed Sacrament on Saturday evenings, and tried to live a Catholic life in spite of nutty priests.  I didn't fall away.  I eventually found tradition by God's grace, thankfully. So at what point along that journey can you prove that I was outside the church idolizing mere bread or confessing to laymen?   


    Well said.

    It's just my opinion, but it seems that quite a few trads are anti-clerical. In the Protocols of the Sages of Sion (Jєωιѕн Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ), a plan was laid out to weaken and/or destroy the Catholic Church. The Protocols say....."We have taken great care to discredit the clergy in the eyes of the people, and have succeeded in injuring their mission which could have been very much in our way. The influence of the clergy on the people is diminishing daily."

    Though I understand the need to avoid bad Popes and clergy, but to condemn nearly all clergy, even traditional clergy, as is done on this forum, it seems that trads are carrying on the mission of Jєωιѕн Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. And doing a very good job of it. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Pope Francis must be resisted.
    « Reply #38 on: December 05, 2022, 11:09:45 AM »
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  • We are required to ascent our will to the Magisterium. Even if we don't understand or question it, we are not allowed to show dissent to the Magesterium. We are not allowed to gang up on the pope, when he is using his Teaching Authority (Infallible nor Non-Infallible). When Pope uses his Magisterium (Teaching Authority), it requires our ascent of will.

    http://strobertbellarmine.net/believe.html

    So, are things like Vatican2, Traditionis Custodes, etc. part of the Magisterium much like official Acts of Holy See prior to Vatican2? 



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    Re: Pope Francis must be resisted.
    « Reply #39 on: December 05, 2022, 11:17:32 AM »
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  • So, are things like Vatican2, Traditionis Custodes, etc. part of the Magisterium much like official Acts of Holy See prior to Vatican2?
    No, things like that are new doctrines, doctrines of man.

    Pope Pius XI, Divini Illius Magistri (#18), Dec. 31, 1929: “… God Himself made the Church a sharer in the divine magisterium and by His divine benefit unable to be mistaken.” ... “To this magisterium Christ the Lord imparted immunity from error...”

    Pope Gregory XVI, Commissum Divinitus (# 4), May 17, 1835: “... the Church has, by its divine institution, the power of the magisterium to teach and define matters of faith and morals and to interpret the Holy Scriptures without danger of error.”

    Pope Leo XIII, Caritatis Studium (#6) July 25, 1898: The Magisterium “could by no means commit itself to erroneous teaching.”
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Pope Francis must be resisted.
    « Reply #40 on: December 05, 2022, 11:29:47 AM »
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  • You explained that very well. One of the many nails in the coffin for me regarding the novus ordo sect was when Ratzinger stated that Jєωs don't need Christ to be saved. You realize that all this expertise in theology is pretty much worthless because he can't grasp...or basically just dismisses the entire message of the Gospel, which he is supposed to be the supreme authority on earth. And then there is the staggering amount of corruption he either facilitated or just turned a blind eye to, like his predecessor, when it came to the abuse of children. 
    The Modernist rot entered the womb of the Catholic Church in 1820.That was the year Pope Pius VII rejected the definition and declaration that the Bible reveals an orbiting sun around the Earth, a reading held by all the Fathers. The Council of Trent had decreed if all the Fathers agree on an understanding of Scripture that cannot be challenged or changed. History records that from that time the Bible underwent many changes as a result of modern science, that is heliocentrism, a natural Big Bang beginning, and a natural evolution of everything. Thus a secular story of origins took over from the supernatural. 200 years later naturalism dominates and those who believe in the supernaturalism of the Catholic faith is growing at a pace. A recent poll in Great Britain showed Christianity is now a minority there.

    When you know that even the likes of Cardinal Henry Newman and Bishop Fulton Sheen had no problem with the Biblical heresy of heliocentrism and natural evolution, two of many heresies practiced inside Catholicism today, heresies condemned by the early Church Fathers, you can see where that 1820 U-turn led the Church. Pope Leo XIII in his Providentissimus deus said that modern science can correct misunderstood old meanings of the Bible.
    Not even St Pope Pius X could see where the Modernism he condemned came from. Pope St Pius X - on the advice of science teacher Cardinal Pietro Maffi - designated Fr G. Hagen S.J. (1847-1930) as director of the Specola Vaticana.  Such was Fr Hagan’s reputation on the occasion of his 80th birthday in 1927 that he was visited at the observatory by Pope Pius XI (1922-39) who presented him with a special gold medal. So, what service to astronomy was such that Fr Hagan deserved to be made director of the observatory and get a gold medal from reigning popes?

    Such was Fr Hagan’s reputation on the occasion of his 80th birthday in 1927 that he was visited at the observatory by Pope Pius XI (1922-39) who presented him with a special gold medal. So, what service to astronomy was such that Fr Hagan deserved to be made director of the observatory and get a gold medal from reigning popes?....“It looks like an amende honorable to the Galileo imbroglio,” says Fr. Rigge in the Creighton Chronicle “that the Pope’s own astronomer should come openly before the world with such a learned work and should even produce two new experiments to prove the fact of the Earth’s rotation. Not that we imply that Galileo was condemned for the sole reason that he upheld this doctrine of the Earth’s motion — for which however he had absolutely no proof whatever — but that we have now one argument more, and one that fully offsets any fault that may have been committed before.”’--- Fr W. F. Rigg, S.J. (Amende Honorable: English law. A penalty imposed upon a person by way of disgrace or infamy, as a punishment for any offence, or for the purpose of making reparation for any injury done to another, as the walking into church in a white sheet, with a rope about the neck, and begging the pardon of God, or the king, or any private individual, for some delinquency. Imbroglio: An acutely painful or embarrassing misunderstanding.

    ‘It looks like an amende honourable  to the Galileo imbroglio,’  adds Fr. Rigge S.J., describing the humiliation with which churchmen of his time viewed the Catholic Church supposedly getting its Biblical and philosophical meaning wrong in 1616 and in Galileo’s trial in 1633. Above we see the Jesuits of the Vatican Observatory, in Pope St Pius X’s and Pope Pius XI’s time, were now, in the name of the Church, hell-bent trying to convince all how Galileo’s science and Biblical hermeneutics were correct.

    Then we had Pope Pius XII. Pope Pius XII, within a few months of his election to the papacy, made his first speech to the Academy in which he again praised Galileo. No one in this scientific academy it seems, could put two and two together and see that their astronomers and physicists had long shown Galileo’s heliocentrism was never proven a scientific fact, nor that the evidence since actually favoured the geocentrism upheld by the Bible, the Fathers and popes in 1616 and 1633. Pius XII’s address was named ‘Man Ascends to God by Climbing the Ladder of the Universe,’ which was practically a copy of the name Bellarmine gave his book of 1614, The Mind’s Ascent to God (by the Ladder of Created Things), a book that differed in that whereas Bellarmine’s ladder to God was Biblical, this Pope’s ‘ladder’ adhered to scientism’s Big Bang billions of years of evolving heliocentric steps. Pope Pius XII then gave his talk: 

    ‘With the joy of knowledge, you, elected geniuses, add the art of the search of truth, and then return to your studies and laboratories, rich in the thought which is the result of having conquered an enigma, so as to add to the admirable treasure-store of science. This is the way of human progress, a difficult avenue to take, marked by the footprints of the most audacious heroes of research from Thales, Aristotle, Archimedes, Ptolemy, from Galileo to Bacon, to Leonardo da Vinci, to Copernicus, to Kepler, Newton, Voltaire, Pasteur, Curie, Hertz, Edison, Marconi and one hundred more names that one could add; and to you who, having received the flame of investigation and knowledge, will pass it on with greater brilliance to even younger heroes, who are not afraid of the stumbling blocks and the risks of the way nor are they fearful of the funereal monuments erected to the glorious souls who have died along its path.’ ---Pope Pius XII ‘ladder’ address to the PAS, 3/12/1939.

    Now go count the heretics like Voltaire (friend of Pope Benedict XV by the way), in that talk above? Then, in Pius XII's 1950 Humani Generis he says: '‘36. For these reasons the Teaching Authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter. In other words the body of Adam could have evolved from a monkey. Note he says nothing of Eve's body that came from Adam according to the Bible. I recall only one evolution theory by an Opus Dei guy who suggested Adam 's embryo in the chosen monkey split producing Eve. Yes, that would work for them.

    The courtship between Catholic faith and scientism reached a further low point on November 22, 1951 when Pope Pius XII once again addressed the Pontifical Academy of Sciences. The title of the Pope’s address was ‘The Proofs for the Existence of God in the Light of Modern Natural Science.’ With few believing in the immediate creation of all by God anymore, and St Thomas’s teaching that the creative act of God cannot be known or demonstrated by unaided reason now redundant, Pius XII tried to make the Big Bang the new dogma.

    ‘44. It is undeniable that when a mind enlightened and enriched with modern scientific knowledge weighs this problem calmly, it feels drawn to break through the circle of completely independent or autochthonous matter, whether uncreated or self-created, and to ascend to a creating Spirit. With the same clear and critical look with which it examines and passes judgment on facts, it perceives and recognizes the work of creative omnipotence, whose power, set in motion by the mighty “Fiat” pronounced billions of years ago by the Creating Spirit, spread out over the universe, calling into existence with a gesture of generous love matter bursting with energy. In fact, it would seem that present-day science, with one sweeping step back across millions of centuries, has succeeded in bearing witness to that primordial “Fiat lux” uttered at the moment when, along with matter, there burst forth from nothing a sea of light and radiation, while the particles of chemical elements split and formed into millions of galaxies.’ ---Pope Pius XII.

    Now Vatican II carries on from where the popes since 1820 put Sacred Scripture.  On the 7th December 1965 in the Council’s Pastoral Constitution on the Church in the Modern World. Here is what the text said:
    ‘… The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are. We cannot but deplore certain attitudes (not unknown among Christians) deriving from a short-sighted view of the rightful autonomy of science; they have occasioned conflict and controversy and have misled many into opposing faith and science.’ --- Gaudium et spes, # 36.

    Here then, in Gaudium et spes, is an accusation, that the Council of Trent, Pope Paul V, Pope Alexander VII and Pope Urban VIII, when defining and declaring the Bible reveals God created a geocentric world, made a grievous error on a matter involving the interpretation of Divine Revelation, and thus were responsible for the ridicule against the Church that ensued thereafter.

    Continued next post.


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    « Reply #41 on: December 05, 2022, 11:30:08 AM »
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  • Finally we get to BernardoGui Cardinal Ratzinger.
    In 1981, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (b.1927) later elected Pope Benedict XVI (2005-15 retired), attempted a Creation catechesis for adults in four Lenten homilies in the cathedral of Munich. These talks were later published in a book called In the Beginning.  The reason for the subject matter, he wrote, was that the Creation account is noticeably and nearly completely absent from Catholic catechesis, preaching and even theology today; confirming the effects of the Galilean reformation on theology. In these homilies, Cardinal Ratzinger wanted to try to show that the Genesis account of Creation in the first book of Scripture cannot be taken literally due to that Big Bang creation discovered by human reasoning. By accepting all those ‘scientific’ theories beginning with a big Bang and the evolution of all by way of atoms, a heresy condemned since the Catholic Church was established, assumptions and changes since Galileo as gospel, Cardinal Ratzinger felt he had to show the flock how human education made the immediate supernatural account of Creation redundant. He does this by way of his ‘newspeak,’ with its ambiguous euphemistic language, trying to get us to believe that the ‘poetry’ of Genesis was never meant to tell us how God created the world as we now find it, as that only became clear after Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Newton, Kant, Laplace, Lyell, Darwin, Einstein and of course Hawking. Beginning by quoting Genesis 1:1-19, Cardinal Ratzinger tells all what Genesis means to him, a future Pope:

    ‘Yet these words [of Genesis] give rise to a certain conflict. They are beautiful and familiar, but are they true? Everything seems to speak against it, for science has long since disposed of the concepts that we have just now heard – the idea of a world that is completely comprehensible in terms of space and time, and the idea that the creation was built up piece by piece over the course of seven days. Instead of this we now face measurements that transcend all comprehension. Today we hear of the Big Bang, which happened billions of years ago and with which the universe began its expansion – an expansion that continues to occur without interruption. And it was not in neat succession that the stars were hung and the green fields created; it was rather in complex ways and over vast periods of time that the earth and the universe were constructed as we now know them. Do these words [of Genesis] then, count for anything? In fact, a theologian said not so long ago that creation has now become an unreal concept. If one is to be intellectually honest one ought to speak no longer of creation but rather of mutation and selection. Are these words true?... Is there an answer to this that we can claim for ourselves in this day and age?... Thus far it has become clear that the Biblical creation narratives represent another way of speaking about reality than that with which we are familiar from physics and biology.’ --- Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger: (In the Beginning)

    ‘I believe that this [my Big Bang evolved creation] view is correct, but it is not enough. For when we are told that we have to distinguish between the images themselves and what those images mean, then we can ask in turn: Why wasn’t that said [by the Church] earlier? Evidently it must have been taught differently at one time or else Galileo would never have been put on trial. And so the suspicion grows that ultimately perhaps this way of viewing things is only a trick of the church and of theologians who have run out of solutions but do not want to admit it, and now they are looking for something to hide behind. And on the whole the impression is given that the history of Christianity in the last four hundred years has been a constant rearguard action as the assertions of the faith and of theology have been dismantled piece by piece. People have, it is true, always found tricks as a way of getting out of difficulties. But there is an almost ineluctable fear that we will gradually end up in emptiness and that the time will come when there will be nothing left to defend and hide behind, that the whole landscape of Scripture and of the faith will be overrun by a kind of “reason” that will no longer be able to take any of this seriously.’--(In the Beginning) 

    The Absurdity of Original Sin

    Having quoted Genesis 3:1-12, 17-19, 23-24; Cardinal Ratzinger continues his homilies to give us an Earthmovers understanding ‘On the Subject of Sin.’

    ‘The account [in Genesis] tells us that sin begets sin, and that therefore all the sins of history are interlinked. Theology refers to this state of affairs by the certainly misleading and imprecise term ‘original sin.’ What does this mean? Nothing seems to us today to be stranger or, indeed, more absurd than to insist upon original sin, since, according to our way of thinking, guilt can only be something very personal and since God does not run a cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ, in which one’s relatives are imprisoned, because he is a liberating God of love, who calls each one by name. What does original sin mean, then, when we interpret it correctly?.... Sin is a loss of relationship,…therefore it is not restricted to the individual. At the very moment that a person begins human existence, he or she is confronted by a sin damaged world.’ Consequently, each person is, from the very start, damaged in relationships. (p, 72.) End of quote.

    The traditional teaching of Genesis is that Adam and Eve committed the first sin of mankind called the Original Sin, a sin whose effects are directly passed on to all their descendants, that is, the whole human race, the sin that necessitated God become man to die on the cross to open access to heaven once again. But now it undergoes modernisation. Never mentioned in this chapter was the sacrament of Baptism, necessary to rid the soul of Original Sin, and the means to enter heaven. Nor is there any reference to the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception wherein the mother of God was conceived in God’s love and without Original Sin. There followed in this homily, Cardinal Ratzinger’s version of sin being something to do with the network of human relationships damaged from the beginning that few could understand

    Finally, Pope Benedict XVI’s resignation speech, Feb. 11th, 2013.

    'We knew that the relationship between the Church and the modern period had been slightly fraught, beginning with the Church’s error in the case of Galileo Galilei. We were looking [in Vatican II] to correct this mistaken start and to rediscover the union between the Church and the best forces of the world, so as to open up humanity’s future, to open up true progress.'

    Thus the 400 year history of Modernism with modern science now the new religion for Catholics.


    Offline SoldierOfChrist

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    Re: Pope Francis must be resisted.
    « Reply #42 on: December 05, 2022, 12:52:59 PM »
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  • Benedict is the last pope that you could reasonably argue was mistaken in his theological opinions out of good faith and confusion.  And he is still living.  A much stronger case can be made that his resignation was invalid, than can be made that Jorge Bergoglio is not aware of his heresy or that he is confused about what he is saying.

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    Re: Pope Francis must be resisted.
    « Reply #43 on: December 05, 2022, 02:08:35 PM »
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  • Why have any of these past several "popes" found it necessary to have an opinion on any theological issue, except for maybe UFOS?
    Hasn't the church already weighed in authoritatively on every moral question over the last 2000 years a Catholic is likely to encounter?
    After the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception was settled they should have stuck with just finding virtuous men for the priesthood, education, and works of charity.

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    Re: Pope Francis must be resisted.
    « Reply #44 on: December 05, 2022, 02:32:53 PM »
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  • Why have any of these past several "popes" found it necessary to have an opinion on any theological issue, except for maybe UFOS?
    Hasn't the church already weighed in authoritatively on every moral question over the last 2000 years a Catholic is likely to encounter?
    After the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception was settled they should have stuck with just finding virtuous men for the priesthood, education, and works of charity.
    The purpose of commentary by the Pope should be in response to new heresies that pop up, as they always will.  They should respond like St. Pius X did, with Pascendi and the Oath against modernism.  Clearly modern popes have not done so, but one could still make a reasonable argument that these popes were in error no by will but by stupidity.  Not the case with Bergoglio.  He’s gone out of his way to make it clear that he knows what he is doing.  If we give tacit approval to a man who is clearly an imposter, that’s on us.  For my part, I will not call that man a pope.