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Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
« Reply #45 on: July 10, 2019, 02:55:01 PM »
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  • Yeah, but not to heretics.

    But fear not.

    The Destroyer Popes Francis and Benedict will die on the same night.

    It will be glorious and it will be soon.
    The same night? Are you a witch with second sight? Do we need to burn you at the stake?
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #46 on: July 10, 2019, 03:57:57 PM »
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  • Oh, so than actual Eastern Catholic teaching is condemned by you.
    Try reading the treaty of Brest which was pre VII and find agreement on purgatory cause there aint one.
    Benedict was referred to by me XVI so obviously not 64 AD.  The meandering was to try to explain to Forlorn that a Latin Patriarch was not original.
    Also the Russian Orthodox Church is not in communion currently with Constantinople the only reason they were referenced was the  reference to EO saying mass there.
    There are two different things being discussed the right of access to pray before the relics saying liturgy there which they do.     And.......giving away relics to a place they do not belong.
    Your list of heresies is mostly a list of Thomistic Scholastic points that most orthodox theologians agree with and even part of discussions Most orthodox disagreement is either by uberdox and uneducated or over different. Praxis for example Copts object to deacons giving blessings and see it as a dealbreaker.

    I admit it's a little nitpicky but use 1964 or '64. As a fan of ancient history and in particular classic antiquity, it sticks out.

    And yes anything as comprehensively antagonistic to Thomistic thought as mainstream "Orthodox" tends to be has to be thrown out. If that's your precious Orthodox teaching, buckle up.

    The ROC may not have a recognized union with the Greeks but that hardly matters in this context. What Russia says goes for the most part. As far as the ROC and the Vatican, you must admit that Francis is Russia's favorite Pope, whether you go by Putin or Kirill. If the Crisis has taught us anything it's that you don't need a full agreement to accomplish your goals. Half measures, innuendo and ambiguity will be enough to destroy the enemy.

    Right of access as far as being able to use it, yes. But they don't make the Mass schedule, they don't maintain or own the basilica so they would still have to let someone know they were coming. The only true capacity they have is as honored guests. That's very different from what you are referring to. The way things are today however, St. Peter's is just as likely to host a car company or pagan worshippers as they would any given Eastern Rite.

    But back to your schizophrenic post history...

    Your first post was spent downplaying the significance of the relics:

    Relics don't make the papacy. Popes have given away relics for some time as gestures of goodwill.

    Then you tried to say they were rightly returned because they already belonged to Patriarch Bartholomew:

    You do understand that the major churches in Rome belong to the Patriarchs right. The Popes church is the Lateran. St. Peters belongs to Constantinople, etc. You can't actually give away relics that already belong to someone else. For good or ill the mutual excommunication was lifted by Paul VI.
    I never said pre VII it is Not me who wrote the idiotic claim that Francis was abandoning the Papacy because he gave a few bone fragments away ( like other Popes have done)

    Though when confronted by the obvious problems of these statements, you pull a 180:

    Byzcat they always belonged to Rome, and this is unprecedented and wrong for the Relics of Peter unify Christendom around Rome, where Peter died.

    Well as you know, Constantinople is nowhere near Rome. So now when anybody criticizes your past statements you refer back to this inexplicable change as though it was a natural part of your argument. It isn't, it's called talking from both sides of your mouth. Admit the first posts were wrong and move on. The attempt at gaslighting is becoming more and more interesting the further we go with this.

    There's a lot of things that haven't been settled officially yet regarding the "Orthodox." A future Restoration would ideally address these issues for good, but in the meantime all we have to do is to look how far afield their theology has developed over the centuries. They have up until recently enjoyed a relatively low profile in the West mainly due to barriers of language, politics, geography, and overall lack of unity from country to country. The Heterodox have become the ultimate snake in the grass. Thanks to people like Jay Dyer however, this is all becoming more well known.

    Though they may lack unity on paper, I'm not going to discount Russia's role as the head and center of the "Orthodox" world since 1453 and especially after the onset of Communism and now a fully integrated Satanic Leninist regime. Greeks may not check all the boxes that the Russians do, but getting a hoof in the door is all it takes to destabilize and let's just say we had a little more than the hoof enter in during VII. There's no question in my mind who orchestrated this agreement between the two. Then you have Montini's disgraceful past as a suspected soviet collaborator during his tenure Substitute of the Secretariat of State/Prosecretary which caused him to be removed by Pius XII.
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #47 on: July 11, 2019, 06:38:49 AM »
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  • But back to your schizophrenic post history...

    Your first post was spent downplaying the significance of the relics:

    Then you tried to say they were rightly returned because they already belonged to Patriarch Bartholomew:

    Though when confronted by the obvious problems of these statements, you pull a 180:

    Well as you know, Constantinople is nowhere near Rome. So now when anybody criticizes your past statements you refer back to this inexplicable change as though it was a natural part of your argument. It isn't, it's called talking from both sides of your mouth. Admit the first posts were wrong and move on. The attempt at gaslighting is becoming more and more interesting the further we go with this.

    Well, since they contradict each other, I'd rather see him admit to which one he truly believes.  Also, I think we are still waiting for him to give examples of pre-Vatican II popes that gave away relics.
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #48 on: July 11, 2019, 10:01:47 AM »
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  • Summarize you don't know the difference between right of access and right of ownership.. you also need a road map to know that Benedict XVI was not around in 64 ad but you know history yay
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #49 on: July 11, 2019, 02:54:57 PM »
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  • Right of access is open to all Catholics technically, so it doesn't mean much if we're talking about any group practicing any rite within the Catholic church. Your initial choice of words were completely in line with ownership, and it doesn't help you at all to try to pretend you meant access. You don't give away relics because one has mere access.

    But the real thrust of your ridiculous first statement that the relics belong to the Patriarch anyway was cheap propaganda. Recently you've been doubling down in promoting EO teaching because hey, Pope Paul VI lifted the excommunications so everything's okay! Do you even know what forum you're in?  

    Edit: Wow, 22 down votes in one day? Someone must have been busy! :boxer:
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #50 on: July 12, 2019, 12:20:39 AM »
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  • You really are stupid. I never said the Greek Orthodox Patriarch owns anything. What 'teaching' of the EO have I been promoting. Just wondering since I am not EO and don't like them or their teachings. I am Catholic and believe all that the Catholic church has always believed and traditionally taught.
    Maybe you should read what's been said instead of ass-uming something not said. Just like the other yoyo sycophant parroting things I didn't say.
    Also you may feel wonderful about likes or dislikes on some computer because of your shallowness but truth is never popular so who cares.
    Cue the crickets since you still show no ability to have an actual conversion on the two points I raised.
    I have never promoted EO teaching, and I have particular antipathy twords the Russian Orthodox
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #51 on: July 12, 2019, 09:10:14 AM »
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  • Apologies for the uncharitable remarks, I was wrong using them.
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #52 on: July 14, 2019, 12:28:34 AM »
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  • Apologies for the uncharitable remarks, I was wrong using them.

    No problem. I was getting a bit testy myself. Here's to a more focused debate.

    I never said the Greek Orthodox Patriarch owns anything. What 'teaching' of the EO have I been promoting. Just wondering since I am not EO and don't like them or their teachings. I am Catholic and believe all that the Catholic church has always believed and traditionally taught.

    Also you may feel wonderful about likes or dislikes on some computer because of your shallowness but truth is never popular so who cares.

    I have never promoted EO teaching, and I have particular antipathy twords the Russian Orthodox

    When you say something "belongs" to someone else, it is a direct statement of ownership. I'll take it as a misstatement on your part.

    When I listed my issues with the EO, your reply was "Oh, so than actual Eastern Catholic teaching is condemned by you." Just in case you wanted to make any exceptions to that statement, I will repeat the specific items on the list for you to separate from Eastern Catholic teaching:

    - Rejection of Filioque
    - Rejection of Divine Simplicity
    - Rejection of the Immaculate Conception
    - Rejection of the inheritance of Original Sin
    - Rejection of St. Aquinas and of Thomism
    - Rejection of St. Augustine
    - Palamite Hesychasm
    - Aerial Toll-Houses
    - Hell is not a separate place, but it is how the damned experience Heaven (God's Presence)

    As for the dislikes, I was referring to the jump in my own negative tally from this thread.
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #53 on: July 14, 2019, 07:38:47 AM »
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  • As for the dislikes, I was referring to the jump in my own negative tally from this thread.
    I have seen this before.  I think it is a system glitch of some sort, and I contacted Matthew about it at the time.  I don't know if he's looked into it or not.
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #54 on: July 14, 2019, 12:57:05 PM »
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  • I have seen this before.  I think it is a system glitch of some sort, and I contacted Matthew about it at the time.  I don't know if he's looked into it or not.
    Hah, well I guess you never know! I have seen people go back in my post history just to downvote me into oblivion before so it wouldn't shock me.
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #55 on: July 14, 2019, 03:47:03 PM »
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  • Try reading the treaty of Brest which was pre VII and find agreement on purgatory cause there aint one.

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    5.—We shall not debate about purgatory, but we entrust ourselves to the teaching of the Holy Church.

    Article 5 of the Treaty. The agreement is to follow what the Church teaches on Purgatory.


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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #56 on: July 15, 2019, 05:05:27 PM »
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  • Hah, well I guess you never know! I have seen people go back in my post history just to downvote me into oblivion before so it wouldn't shock me.
    It just happened to me again:  60+ downvotes in a matter of hours.
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #57 on: July 15, 2019, 05:15:21 PM »
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  • It just happened to me again:  60+ downvotes in a matter of hours.
    Open up your comment history on your profile and check the earliest few pages(i.e the first comments you made after joining). They're all heavily downvoted, even ones that should be completely uncontroversial. The same thing happened to me. Posts that were neutral or even upvoted back when I posted them are now riddled with downvotes. It seems there are a few loose bolts(or one person with multiple accounts, the more likely possibility) on this site who go around mass-downvoting users they get into arguments with, but they go to the oldest pages in the hopes it isn't noticed.

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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #58 on: July 15, 2019, 05:57:34 PM »
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  • Open up your comment history on your profile and check the earliest few pages(i.e the first comments you made after joining). They're all heavily downvoted, even ones that should be completely uncontroversial. The same thing happened to me. Posts that were neutral or even upvoted back when I posted them are now riddled with downvotes. It seems there are a few loose bolts(or one person with multiple accounts, the more likely possibility) on this site who go around mass-downvoting users they get into arguments with, but they go to the oldest pages in the hopes it isn't noticed.

    Yeah it's no glitch, just someone with an overdeveloped sense of online vengeance.
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #59 on: July 15, 2019, 06:02:57 PM »
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  • Yeah it's no glitch, just someone with an overdeveloped sense of online vengeance.
    And a lot of time on their hands.    ::)
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