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Offline Incredulous

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Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2019, 04:44:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: confederate catholic on July 04, 2019, 10:49:03 PM
    Relics don't make the papacy. Popes have given away relics for some time as gestures of goodwill.

    Yeah, but not to heretics.

    But fear not.

    The Destroyer Popes Francis and Benedict will die on the same night.

    It will be glorious and it will be soon.
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #16 on: July 05, 2019, 05:40:47 PM »
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    • When eastern Catholic patriarchs come to Rome they say the liturgy in those churches. It's no different than when a cardinal is given a church, it's his church till he dies
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #17 on: July 05, 2019, 07:54:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: confederate catholic on July 05, 2019, 03:25:47 PM
    Historical fact, abandoned by Benedict XVI who changed the name from patriarchal basilicas to Papal basilicas
    Notice it says LATIN Patriarch of Constantinople. That is NOT the Orthodox schismatic patriarch. 
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #18 on: July 05, 2019, 08:05:23 PM »
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    • Funny thing before the schism and at Florence it was used by the orthodox. Not sure what your point is :)
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #19 on: July 06, 2019, 05:50:41 AM »
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    • Giving away Church property and relics is wrong.  He should be getting rid of Golden Budah and communist cross that he has.
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #20 on: July 06, 2019, 06:55:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: confederate catholic on July 05, 2019, 05:40:47 PM
    When eastern Catholic patriarchs come to Rome they say the liturgy in those churches. It's no different than when a cardinal is given a church, it's his church till he dies

    Again, where are you getting that information? The wikipedia article doesn't begin to cover it.
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #21 on: July 06, 2019, 11:01:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: confederate catholic on July 05, 2019, 08:05:23 PM
    Funny thing before the schism and at Florence it was used by the orthodox. Not sure what your point is :)
    First of all, no, you're wrong. The Orthodox admitted themselves that they have never owned this artifact before. Secondly, you're dismissing the schism as if it's a matter of little import. It is most certainly NOT. The Orthodox have, ever since the schism, been severed from the Church of Jesus Christ. You are defending the handing of artifacts over to heretics and schismatics who even themselves admitted they had no claim to them.

    You claim to be an Eastern Catholic but time and time again you refer to the Orthodox as if they are members of the Church. They are not, and you're starting to sound like you're one of them.
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #22 on: July 06, 2019, 12:21:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on July 06, 2019, 11:01:49 AM
    First of all, no, you're wrong. The Orthodox admitted themselves that they have never owned this artifact before. Secondly, you're dismissing the schism as if it's a matter of little import. It is most certainly NOT. The Orthodox have, ever since the schism, been severed from the Church of Jesus Christ. You are defending the handing of artifacts over to heretics and schismatics who even themselves admitted they had no claim to them.

    This X 10.
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #23 on: July 06, 2019, 07:16:59 PM »
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    • Reading comprehension is sorely lacking. I said they have historically said liturgy in the churches in question. Not they have the relics
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #24 on: July 06, 2019, 07:19:08 PM »
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    • Also exact quote where I dismissed the schism or treated it anywhere here
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #25 on: July 07, 2019, 04:21:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: confederate catholic on July 06, 2019, 07:16:59 PM
    Reading comprehension is sorely lacking. I said they have historically said liturgy in the churches in question. Not they have the relics
    Which is firstly, completely irrelevant to the matter of the relics and something you brought up as a distractionary tactic. And secondly, that Constantinople owned the church pre-Schism is irrelevant because the Ecuмenical Patriarch is not the legal valid heir of the Constantinople Patriarchate within the Church, he is a schismatic with no claim to it. The LATIN Patriarch is the one who has, since the Schism, been said to own it. 
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #26 on: July 07, 2019, 04:23:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: confederate catholic on July 06, 2019, 07:16:59 PM
    Reading comprehension is sorely lacking. I said they have historically said liturgy in the churches in question. Not they have the relics
    You were "countering" my point that the church belongs to the LATIN rather than Orthodox Patriarch by saying "oh but the Orthodox said liturgy there pre-Schism", as if the Schism was a matter of little importance and couldn't have possibly altered whether they still have right to it or not. 
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #27 on: July 07, 2019, 08:18:27 AM »
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    • Pointing out a historical fact is not exactly the same thing as countering your point. Unless you were unaware that a Latin Patriarch of something not Latin is an anomaly. I quite clearly stated to Byzcat the orthodox have no right to the relic, you're just being rude and uncharitable accusing me of a position I do not hold. When subjects involving the Eastern Churches come up I try to give historical fact based data since in general Latin Catholics have no idea our churches exist and thus usually have a poor understanding of not only of the theological teaching of the different eastern Catholic churches let alone the orthodox equivalent or the historical background which involves a lot of politics as well
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #28 on: July 07, 2019, 08:22:46 AM »
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    • Now Forlorn I'll be rude. I am publicly pointing out that there is NO LATIN PATRIARCH OF CONSTANTINOPLE. Oops
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    Re: POPE Francis Mocks Saint Peter
    « Reply #29 on: July 07, 2019, 05:25:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: confederate catholic on July 07, 2019, 08:22:46 AM
    Now Forlorn I'll be rude. I am publicly pointing out that there is NO LATIN PATRIARCH OF CONSTANTINOPLE. Oops
    There was until Vatican 2. And that's who the Patriarchal Basilica of St. Peter's belonged to, not the Orthodox "Patriarch". Another historical fact for you. 
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