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Offline SimpleMan

Re: Pope Francis in wheelchair + "retiring"? + 21 new cardinals on aug 27
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2022, 09:48:10 AM »
Being in a wheelchair shouldn't be able to keep a Pope from doing the "Pope thing".  Popes did not leave the Vatican from 1870 to 1929, and the Church got along just fine.  

Of course, there wasn't the expectation then, that Popes would take these mammoth trips all over the world, and be out doing all sorts of photo-ops.  So much of this is media-driven.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Pope Francis in wheelchair + "retiring"? + 21 new cardinals on aug 27
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2022, 09:52:36 AM »
Quote from: SimpleMan on June 13, 2022, 09:48:10 AM
Being in a wheelchair shouldn't be able to keep a Pope from doing the "Pope thing".  Popes did not leave the Vatican from 1870 to 1929, and the Church got along just fine. 

Of course, there wasn't the expectation then, that Popes would take these mammoth trips all over the world, and be out doing all sorts of photo-ops.  So much of this is media-driven.

Indeed, starting mostly with JP2, they reinvented the papacy.  Whereas the role had primarily been that of teaching and governing, they turned him into a celebrity and PR guy so that this redefined "papacy" could in fact no longer effectively be exercised by someone who doesn't have the physical vigor or stamina.

They did the same thing with the priesthood.  When I was about 10, I felt drawn to the priesthood.  But the more I saw it in practice, I didn't feel that I was a fit for what was required.  NO priests had to be entertainers and standup comedians and social butterflies.  So I decided it wasn't for me ... until God led me to Tradition, where this desire was rekindled based on the real Catholic understanding of the priesthood.
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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Pope Francis in wheelchair + "retiring"? + 21 new cardinals on aug 27
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2022, 10:17:03 AM »
Stacking the cardinalate is an MO for these revolutionaries:



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In the twelfth century, there were positions for about 28 cardinal priests and 18 cardinal deacons in Rome, plus the 7 cardinal bishops for a total of 53. In 1586, Sixtus V set the maximum number of cardinals at 70 in imitation of the 70 chosen by Moses (Exodus 24:1) and by Jesus (Luke 10:1).

John XXIII ignored the 70-member limit, and the college grew to more than 80 cardinals.

In the early 1970s, Paul VI reformed the College of Cardinals by increasing the number of electors to 120, not counting those over 80 years of age who are excluded as electors.

Excluding those over 80 years of age was considered so revolutionary at the time, that the conclave that elected John Paul I held a "confirmation" vote after he had received a two-thirds vote of those present in order to make sure that over two-thirds of all the cardinals voted for him, even counting those not present. They did not want anyone challenging the election. 


John Paul II ignored the 120 limit and the number of cardinals reached 135 in 2001, although it was down to 115 by the time he died in 2005.


https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/faith-and-justice/francis-stacks-college-cardinals
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Re: Pope Francis in wheelchair + "retiring"? + 21 new cardinals on aug 27
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2022, 10:51:08 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 13, 2022, 09:38:20 AM
Wake me up when God raises up the Holy Pope of Catholic prophecy.  Even if Bergoglio resigns or goes 6 feet under, the odds, naturally speaking, that someone even worse gets elected are pretty high (though Bergoglio did manage to set the bar high).  I doubt that any Conciliar conclave would ever elect a +Vigano or +Schneider or +Burke.
Just in time for an antichrist, if not The Antichrist. 7 years until the centenary of the Fatima message.
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Offline Christo Rege

Re: Pope Francis in wheelchair + "retiring"? + 21 new cardinals on aug 27
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2022, 10:56:41 AM »
I wonder if the reason his health has declined so much is due to taking that covid vaccine…
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