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Offline Todd The Trad

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Pope Francis II?
« on: November 15, 2021, 11:12:09 PM »
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  • Here's an article from the National Catholic Registrar. I'd honestly like to see a guy just like Francis or worse be elected. This joker would work be perfect. It would be better for opening people's eyes and bringing them to Tradition to have a guy like that elected, rather than someone like Benedict or JPII who are less obvious modernists and tend to fool people. This Cardinal Zuppi sounds like a real jackass...;


    Italian Vaticanist Looks to Next Conclave in New Book

    Francesco Grana’s ‘What Remains of the Papacy’ will be launched Nov. 18, with leading ‘papabile’ Cardinal Matteo Zuppi in attendance.

    Edward Pentin

    November 16, 2021

    VATICAN CITY — “It is evident that factions [are] already organizing themselves in order not to be caught unawares when the sede vacante begins,” reads the publisher’s description of a new Italian book on the future of the papacy.

    Titled Cosa resta del papato (“What Remains of the Papacy,” published by Edizioni Terrasanta) by Italian Vaticanist Francesco Antonio Grana, the book looks to the next conclave, examining the “future of the Church after Bergoglio” and asking if the papacy is “still a valid institution” or “perceived as completely anachronistic.”

    It will be launched in Rome on Nov. 18 with the help of Cardinal Matteo Zuppi, the archbishop of Bologna, as a keynote speaker.

    The Rome-born cardinal’s presence is significant, as for months he has been tipped by Vaticanists, most notably Sandro Magister, as a leading papabile and the favored candidate Magister cites as one of those pre-conclave factions that are “organizing themselves” — that of the Sant’Egidio lay community.

    As a co-founder and former parish priest of the community, Cardinal Zuppi, 66, is known not only within the Church but also beyond the Catholic world due to the well-known international peace and humanitarian work of the organization.

    Cardinal Zuppi’s meteoric rise to become a leading papabile was further underlined this week following reports that he is tipped to become the next president of the Italian bishops’ conference next year, a pathway Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio trod with the Argentina bishops’ conference on his way to the papacy.

    Grana, who is the Vatican correspondent for the Italian daily Il Fatto Quotidiano, told the Register Nov. 5 that he invited Cardinal Zuppi to attend the launch of his book because he believed that the cardinal and two other speakers at the event will “effectively illustrate the revolutionary significance of Francis’ papacy” and also be able to “look at the pontificates of his immediate predecessors.”

    Grana is sympathetic to such a revolutionary vision for the Church, seeing it as necessary so the Church can “readjust herself to the profound and radical changes of the time.” The Italian Vaticanist said he was prompted to write his book because of Pope Francis’ wish, expressed in his 2013 apostolic exhortation Evangelii Gaudium (The Joy of the Gospel), for a “conversion of the papacy” away from “excessive centralization [that] complicates the Church’s life and her missionary outreach” — a goal of the Second Vatican Council and its emphasis on “collegiality” that the Pope said had not yet been realized. 

    It is perhaps no coincidence, therefore, that Cardinal Zuppi has similar aspirations.

    In my book The Next Pope (Sophia Institute Press), I explain how Cardinal Zuppi’s “lifelong concern for the poor and marginalized, forged through his close connections with the Sant’Egidio community” has revealed him “to be a true son of the spirit of Vatican II, someone who seeks to constantly engage with the modern world and implement the ‘profound change’ that he believes the Council wanted for the Church.”

    He is fully committed to adhering to the vision of this pontificate and seeing it to fruition, beginning with Evangelii Gaudium, and it is possibly for this reason that Cardinal Zuppi is, according to Marco Mancini writing in ACI Stampa, “one of the Pope’s most esteemed prelates.” (Sources close to the Vatican told the Register that Cardinal Zuppi’s presence at next week’s book launch wouldn’t have been possible without the Pope’s explicit approval). 

    Known as a “street cardinal” for his help for the poor, Cardinal Zuppi’s emphasis on material poverty and equality has brought him close to Italian lҽϝƚιsƚ politics — so much so that when Cardinal Zuppi’s appointment to the College of Cardinals was announced, the Italian media joked that the “chaplain” to Italy’s leading socialist party is to become a cardinal.

    As archbishop of Bologna, he has eulogized a far-left, pro-abortion Italian radical, and even incardinated into the Bologna Archdiocese a Communist priest who ran for a seat in the European Parliament. He is also remembered for writing the preface to Building a Bridge: How the Catholic Church and the LGBT Community Can Enter into a Relationship of Respect, Compassion, and Sensitivity, Jesuit Father James Martin’s controversial pro-LGBT book published in 2018.

    Sant’Egidio

    For Magister, Sant’Egidio’s efforts to propel Cardinal Zuppi into the See of Peter are indisputable, partly generated by a growing discontent with Francis’ pontificate indicated in a book called La Chiesa brucia — Crisi e future del cristianesimo (The Church is Burning — Crises and the Future of Christianity) written by Sant’Egidio’s principal founder, Andrea Riccardi.

    The community has a highly influential lobby with extensive connections in the upper echelons of the Church.

    In an Oct. 12 column headlined “Conclave in Sight, Operation Sant’Egidio,” Magister noted how Sant’Egidio has been strategically distancing itself from this pontificate and increasing its — and Cardinal Zuppi’s — profile in recent months, most recently hosting an interreligious gathering at the Colosseum with a host of big names, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel.


    Cardinal Zuppi was the only cardinal to take part in the event, speaking on the subject of “Caring for Our Common Home” alongside the pro-population control member of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, Jeffrey Sachs.

    During the conclaves of 1978, 2005 and 2013, “the men of Sant’Egidio tried to steer the outcome” but “each time without success,” Magister recalled — perhaps because in raising a favored candidate’s profile, they pushed him too hard and too fast and the cardinal electors became suspicious. As the famous Rome saying goes, “He who enters the conclave as pope, leaves it as a cardinal.”


    Link to article: Italian Vaticanist Looks to Next Conclave in New Book| National Catholic Register (ncregister.com) 
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    Re: Pope Francis II?
    « Reply #1 on: November 16, 2021, 04:49:06 AM »
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  • I just looked up some pictures of Zuppi.  If I were forced to bet my life savings on it one way or another, I would wager it on his being a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.


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    Re: Pope Francis II?
    « Reply #2 on: November 16, 2021, 04:56:54 AM »
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  • I just looked up some pictures of Zuppi.  If I were forced to bet my life savings on it one way or another, I would wager it on his being a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.
    I was thinking same thing
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    « Reply #3 on: November 16, 2021, 04:57:07 AM »
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    Re: Pope Francis II?
    « Reply #4 on: November 16, 2021, 04:57:48 AM »
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  • And I’m thinking something else. Look at that beak.  Not very kind of me.  They should be removed a long time ago.


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    Re: Pope Francis II?
    « Reply #5 on: November 16, 2021, 05:05:36 AM »
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  • Jude 1:7 
    Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sɛҳuąƖ immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.


    1 Corinthians 6:9-11 
    Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sɛҳuąƖly immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
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    Re: Pope Francis II?
    « Reply #6 on: November 16, 2021, 06:53:35 AM »
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  • There cannot be a Pope Francis II because there is no Pope Francis I.

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    Re: "Pope" Francis II?
    « Reply #7 on: November 16, 2021, 07:51:30 AM »
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  • It would be better for opening people's eyes and bringing them to Tradition to have a guy like that elected, rather than someone like Benedict or JPII who are less obvious modernists and tend to fool people.
    Yes, that is the best right now, because practically no Catholic has changed their (at best) indifferent ways. We still are not even close to having the 10 just men to save Sodom & Gomorrah.
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    Re: Pope Francis II?
    « Reply #8 on: November 16, 2021, 08:55:49 AM »
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  • My guess is that the next antipope usurper will be Pietro ("Peter the Roman") Parolin, the current Secretary of State. He will be presented as a "conservative" successor to "Pope Francis." But he will usher in the final abominations resulting from the Synod on Synodality.

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    Re: Pope Francis II?
    « Reply #9 on: November 16, 2021, 09:17:17 AM »
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  • He looks like old, Italian, gαy version of Robin Williams.
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    Re: Pope Francis II?
    « Reply #10 on: November 16, 2021, 09:25:36 AM »
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  • And I’m thinking something else. Look at that beak.  Not very kind of me.  They should be removed a long time ago.


    I have to point out, a crooked nose is also an Italian feature going back centuries. It's called a "Roman Nose".

    Not everyone with a Roman Nose needs to have their name surrounded with (((triple parenthesis))) because they're an R. S. P. (Red Sea Pedestrian)

    It's interesting that such a feature could be famous for TWO different ethnic groups, which are quite un-connected.
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    Re: Pope Francis II?
    « Reply #11 on: November 16, 2021, 09:33:18 AM »
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  • It would be better for opening people's eyes and bringing them to Tradition to have a guy like that elected, rather than someone like Benedict or JPII who are less obvious modernists and tend to fool people.

    Yes, if they had been a little more patient, they could have put another Ratzinger type in there to finish neutralizing the Trad movement.

    But this suggests to me that they're running out of time.  I believe they know that they have a fixed window to pull off their destruction and they couldn't wait after Ratzinger failed to assimilate the SSPX (thanks to one Bishop Richard Williamson).  That's why he had to resign.  His job was to assimilate the Trads, and he was doing a heckuva job at it, until he failed.  At that point, they had no more use for him.

    Or, another alternative is that Bergoglio was SO bad, that they could then replace him with a guy slightly to the left of Ratzinger and people will hail him as the new St. Pius X in comparison with Bergoglio.

    Hard to say.

    But I don't believe that these papal elections have been any more free than the US presidential elections ... they're rigged and the power brokers always install their guy, with whatever agenda they have in mind.

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    « Reply #12 on: November 16, 2021, 11:01:17 AM »
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    Or, another alternative is that Bergoglio was SO bad, that they could then replace him with a guy slightly to the left of Ratzinger and people will hail him as the new St. Pius X in comparison with Bergoglio.
    It seems to me that the indulters/new-sspx types will continue to have problems with new-rome, even if a TLM-supporter is "elected".  This is because new-rome is hell-bent on their g@y pride agenda and this total immorality will be pushed down the throats of the novus ordo/indult people, even if the TLM is promoted once again by a "conservative" pope.  I don't think new-rome can control its tidal wave of immorality any longer.  The g@y pride agenda will be the next crisis to dodge.  In one sense, it will make the decision easier - 1) immorality vs TLM - choose a side.  2) or leave new-rome altogether and go fully Trad.