Author Topic: Pope Francis claims mult. of loaves was a PARABLE (Read 1091 times)

Matthew · « **on:** October 23, 2015, 03:42:49 PM »

Francis gives us his version of the "multiplication of the loaves", the only one miracle mentioned by all of the Evangelists.
He says is a "parable" ...

http://gloria.tv/media/AHnrAc9ojqZ

My response:

Explaining the miracles of Our Lord in human terms is a CLASSIC and textbook example of Modernism. This Pope is practically advertising himself as a Modernist, just like he'd be advertising himself as a thief if he came out and said, "I take things that don't belong to me". I studied the heresy of Modernism at a Trad seminary (we studied the famous encyclical Pascendi from Pope St. Pius X). I know this complex and all-encompassing heresy pretty well.

Patrick JK Gray · « **Reply #1 on:** October 23, 2015, 03:46:16 PM »

Thank you. Even Bishop Fellay said 'we have before us a genuine Modernist'.

2Vermont · « **Reply #2 on:** October 23, 2015, 04:19:24 PM »

This is nothing new for Francis. I'm pretty sure he said something similar just after his election.

JezusDeKoning · « **Reply #3 on:** October 23, 2015, 05:01:29 PM »

Bergoglio surprises me naught anymore. If the man came out in the future and said he was an atheist this whole time, I wouldn't be shocked. Certainly he feels like one.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #4 on:** October 23, 2015, 05:17:55 PM »

I'm not sure I'm buying this. Not even the Modernists would call this a parable in the strict sense of the term. Rather, they would say that the Gospel-writer made it up in order to make a theological point. Parables are a very specific form within the Gospel. So either he means that the Gospel-writer was penning a parable, a story made up to make a point (heretical modernist) or else he's using the term differently, meaning something like "the lesson to be taken away from this ..." I don't know the language well enough to figure this out though. Or the "moral of the story is..."

2Vermont · « **Reply #5 on:** October 23, 2015, 05:21:18 PM »

I'm pretty sure the last time he opined on this matter he said something to the effect that the miracle was "in the sharing".

I also googled and found this:

http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/akin-to-the-rescue-francis.htm

Ladislaus · « **Reply #6 on:** October 23, 2015, 05:34:15 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

I'm pretty sure the last time he opined on this matter he said something to the effect that the miracle was "in the sharing".

I also googled and found this:

http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/akin-to-the-rescue-francis.htm

Yeah, but even the Novus Ordo Watch guy admits that the sharing thing is "ambiguous".

Quote from: NovusOrdoWatch

Though the Vatican's own English translation of Francis' words renders it "Rather than a multiplication...", some have claimed that he really said "More than a multiplication...", and the original audio (in Italian) indeed confirms this: "più che una moltiplicazione..." (source). At the same time, "rather than" is a legitimate alternate translation of più che, and even in English more than can be used in the sense of rather than or better than, as in: "More than giving you a pay raise, I will give you a higher position."

So the matter is ambiguous.

2Vermont · « **Reply #7 on:** October 23, 2015, 05:37:23 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: 2Vermont
I'm pretty sure the last time he opined on this matter he said something to the effect that the miracle was "in the sharing".

I also googled and found this:

http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/akin-to-the-rescue-francis.htm

Yeah, but even the Novus Ordo Watch guy admits that the sharing thing is "ambiguous".

Quote from: NovusOrdoWatch
Though the Vatican's own English translation of Francis' words renders it "Rather than a multiplication...", some have claimed that he really said "More than a multiplication...", and the original audio (in Italian) indeed confirms this: "più che una moltiplicazione..." (source). At the same time, "rather than" is a legitimate alternate translation of più che, and even in English more than can be used in the sense of rather than or better than, as in: "More than giving you a pay raise, I will give you a higher position."

So the matter is ambiguous.

Isn't that what Modernists do best?

Matto · « **Reply #8 on:** October 23, 2015, 05:38:17 PM »

It is very common for Novus Ordo priests to deny this miracle and say that it was not a miracle but only that the people there were sharing the food they brought with them. I have heard it many times by Novus Ordo priests and laymen. So I would not be surprised if Francis denied this also.

LucasL · « **Reply #9 on:** October 23, 2015, 06:03:45 PM »

Francis is not the problem. The problem is those who accept Vatican II.

Charlemagne · « **Reply #10 on:** October 23, 2015, 06:04:48 PM »

Quote from: Matto

It is very common for Novus Ordo priests to deny this miracle and say that it was not a miracle but only that the people there were sharing the food they brought with them. I have heard it many times by Novus Ordo priests and laymen. So I would not be surprised if Francis denied this also.

I heard this from a NO priest once, too. To make it worse, it's a sly way to deny transubstantiation in that Our Lord was looking toward giving His Body in the form of bread by means of prefigurement.

JPaul · « **Reply #11 on:** October 23, 2015, 08:21:59 PM »

Quote from: Patrick JK Gray

Thank you. Even Bishop Fellay said 'we have before us a genuine Modernist'.

Yes, and if a Modernist, then a Heretic. The Bishop seemed to have missed that.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #12 on:** October 24, 2015, 02:11:09 AM »

Quote from: J.Paul

Quote from: Patrick JK Gray

Thank you. Even Bishop Fellay said 'we have before us a genuine Modernist'.

Yes, and if a Modernist, then a Heretic. The Bishop seemed to have missed that.

Well, at least he'd be a genuine something then.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #13 on:** October 24, 2015, 02:27:17 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

Francis gives us his version of the "multiplication of the loaves", the only one miracle mentioned by all of the Evangelists.
He says is a "parable" ...

http://gloria.tv/media/AHnrAc9ojqZ

My response:

Explaining the miracles of Our Lord in human terms is a CLASSIC and textbook example of Modernism. This Pope is practically advertising himself as a Modernist, just like he'd be advertising himself as a thief if he came out and said, "I take things that don't belong to me". I studied the heresy of Modernism at a Trad seminary (we studied the famous encyclical Pascendi from Pope St. Pius X). I know this complex and all-encompassing heresy pretty well.

When it comes to Pascendi, just reading it is insufficient. It must be studied word by word and thoroughly understood. An excellent book was composed just for that purpose, for which Pope St. Pius X had very high praise, called A Catechism of Modernism by Fr. Lemius. It is a series of questions formulated so as to set up an empty intellectual place in the mind of the reader which is perfectly resolved and filled with the appropriate answer by reading the applicable quote from the encyclical Pascendi. This is a great study aid for anyone having trouble understanding this landmark encyclical.

The auto tran isn't working on this page, but the comments are interesting:

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Noticias en Español 22:56
Ser cristianos nos obliga a cuмplir la misión de defender la Verdad pero parece que algunos se les han olvidado su identidad que prefieren convertirse en abogados del diablo. Jesús nos llama a ser Sal y Luz del Mundo de lo contrario no sirven para nada sino para ser arrojados al fuego Eterno.

veritatis.splendor 19:46
Lean y observen como Bergoglio ha repetido la misma herejia en varias ocasiones:
"Las manos que Jesús levanta para bendecir al Dios del cielo son las mismas que distribuyen el pan a la multitud que tiene hambre. Y podemos imaginarnos, podemos imaginar ahora cómo iban pasando de mano en mano los panes y los peces hasta llegar a los más alejados. Jesús logra generar una corriente entre los suyos, todos iban compartiendo lo propio, convirtiéndolo en don para los demás y así fue como comieron … [More]
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Noticias en Español 19:36
El moderador con sus cuentas ficticias repite los mismos errores que ya se ha corregido por eso repito tanto para el causante de esta herejía como para sus discipulus la afirmación de San Agustín "perseverar en el error es diabólico."

veritatis.splendor 19:34
“No es verdad que Jesús multiplicó los panes y los peces; simplemente los panes no se acabaron, y lo mismo podemos hacer nosotros… Basta que lo queramos” Bergoglio.

Noticias en Español 19:32
Francisco y el curioso milagro de la “no multiplicación” de los panes … [More]
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Noticias en Español 19:30
¿Magia e idolatría? El milagro de la multiplicación de los panes y peces visto por Francisco
denzingerbergoglio.com/…/magia-e-idolatr…
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M. Lourdes 19:28
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Noticias en Español 19:02
Como afirmó San Agustín "perseverar el error es diabólico." [More]
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Noticias en Español 18:58
malemp La calumnia de Bergoglio contra el Milagro de Jesucristo no solo negando el milagro sino que además Bergoglio le llamó "Parabola" Fco:"Jesús no multiplicó panes y peces"
No se pide perdón por la ofensa de Dios sino que además de la blasfemia se obstinan en el error.
No hay peor ciego que el que no quiere ver ni peor sordo que el que no quiere oír.
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ultimostiempos Friday, 14:19
En este pasaje bíblico en ningún momento utiliza la palabra parábola, sino MULTIPLICACIÓN DE PANES Y PECES. Le sigue quitando la divinidad a Jesucristo. [More]
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ultimostiempos Friday, 14:16
Que barbaridad!!! Por sus frutos los conoceréis... Cada vez sigue haciendo cambios a la palabra de Dios según sus intereses.

Maybe a CathInfo member can help render the English version?

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