Author Topic: Pope Francis calls trads self-absorbed retrogrades (Read 4005 times)

crossbro · « **on:** December 24, 2013, 03:02:18 AM »

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In the same decree appointing Volpi, Francis forbade the friars from celebrating the old Latin Mass unless they got special permission, a clear rollback from Benedict’s 2007 decision. ...
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Francis has called Benedict’s 2007 decree allowing wider use of the Latin Mass “prudent,” but has warned that it risks being exploited on ideological grounds by factions in the church; Francis has made clear his disdain for traditionalist Catholics, saying they are self-absorbed retrogrades who aren’t helping the church’s mission to evangelize.

Read more: Pope’s Crackdown on Order Alarms Traditionalists | TIME.com http://world.time.com/2013/12/15/popes-crackdown-on-order-alarms-traditionalists/#ixzz2oNdR0pdY

LINK: POPES CRACKDOWN

crossbro · « **Reply #1 on:** December 24, 2013, 03:17:52 AM »

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in the wake of Benedict XVI's Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificuм is speaking of "purge" and "exile". Father Lanzettta was transferred to Austria, Father Siano to Africa.

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"Probably Pope Francis sees in the Franciscans of the Immaculate what he has called Pelagian. In the strange diction and liturgical 'sensibility' of the Pope it is probably: the Franciscans of the Immaculate celebrate the Old Mass, so they are nostalgic, because why else would you need the old, where the new is available, that which is exactly suitable, as Franciscans of the Immaculate deal intensively with the causes of the Church crisis, arranged on the coat tails of Benedict XVI and also suitably make heard their criticism of the Second Vatican Council but that is an 'ideological struggle' and that he does not understand. It is strange and painful just how one-sided is the perception of the Pope."

The Church Historian and Freemason Expert Father Siano Banished to Africa
The Famous Moral Theologian and Confessor Father Lanzetta to Austria

LINK: PURGE AND EXILE

Seems like a new scorched earth policy towards traddy priests, I feel sorry for them and for us.

Hope this Pope understands this: he might be their boss (on paper) but he is not my boss.

Stubborn · « **Reply #2 on:** December 24, 2013, 04:10:14 AM »

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LINK: POPES CRACKDOWN

And on Dec. 8, he took action, issuing a series of sanctions in the name of the pope that have stunned observers for their seeming severity: He closed the friars’ seminary and sent its students to other religious universities in Rome. He suspended the activities of the friars’ lay movement. He suspended ordinations of new priests for a year and required future priests to formally accept the teachings of the Second Vatican Council and its new liturgy or be kicked out. And he decreed that current priests must commit themselves in writing to following the existing mission of the order.

Not very ecuмenical, no, not at all.

bowler · « **Reply #3 on:** December 24, 2013, 10:02:12 AM »

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saying they are self-absorbed retrogrades who aren’t helping the church’s mission to evangelize.

He has redefined evangelizing. His "evangelizing" is the same as the Masons and secular humanists "evangelizing".

bowler · « **Reply #4 on:** December 24, 2013, 10:03:34 AM »

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saying they are self-absorbed retrogrades who aren’t helping the church’s mission to evangelize.

He has redefined evangelizing. His "evangelizing" is the same as the Masons and secular humanists "evangelizing".

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #5 on:** December 24, 2013, 10:22:50 AM »

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LINK: POPES CRACKDOWN

And on Dec. 8, he took action, issuing a series of sanctions in the name of the pope that have stunned observers for their seeming severity: He closed the friars’ seminary and sent its students to other religious universities in Rome. He suspended the activities of the friars’ lay movement. He suspended ordinations of new priests for a year and required future priests to formally accept the teachings of the Second Vatican Council and its new liturgy or be kicked out. And he decreed that current priests must commit themselves in writing to following the existing mission of the order.

Not very ecuмenical, no, not at all.

And rewards bishops who covered up for perverts and child molesters.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #6 on:** December 24, 2013, 10:24:08 AM »

Why is the Pope judging???

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #7 on:** December 24, 2013, 10:26:39 AM »

Nostalgia? Duh I was born in 1968.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #8 on:** December 24, 2013, 10:29:04 AM »

I think there are a bunch of sodomite athesists in Rome and Us conference of Catholic bishops in Dc.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #9 on:** December 24, 2013, 10:33:44 AM »

Many don't know the Catholic faith. Especially those in Rome.
This is Vatican III. Pope Francis has already made a saint out of a man breaking Church procedures and teachings.

Charlemagne · « **Reply #10 on:** December 24, 2013, 10:43:30 AM »

Who cares what Bergoglio the Apostate says? His opinion matters as much to me as that of Pat Robertson or John Hagee.

crossbro · « **Reply #11 on:** December 24, 2013, 11:11:50 AM »

The Pope's new pecking order: GLBTers welcome, TLMers unwelcome.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #12 on:** December 24, 2013, 11:13:02 AM »

Maybe the friars should just pretend to "accept" Vat. II until they become priests. Go under the radar as much as possible, and try not to ruffle any feathers. Once ordained, they can unleash a holy crusade against the marshmallows at the Vatican and local dioceses around the world. Don't give Francis or any of the bishops a reason to break up your community or prevent your ordinations. Once you become priests, keep mobilizing more clerics and laypersons, while combating the apostasy promulgated by Newchurch.

It's time to employ clandestine tactics while never neglecting prayer, penance and fasting; and receiving the Sacraments whenever possible.

The pervert sodomites, crypto-Jєωs, crypto-atheists, and freemasons infiltrated the Church, so maybe real Catholics ("trads") should give these pushers for the anti-Christ a taste of their own medicine. Beat them at their own tactics. The dioceses are the front lines of the Church around the world. Traditional priests and monks need to saturate these critical zones where the flock must be fed real food.

crossbro · « **Reply #13 on:** December 24, 2013, 11:29:54 AM »

a musing from a "self-absorbed nostalgic":

Jesus answered them, "Many good works I have shewed you from my Father. For which of those works do you stone me ?-

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #14 on:** December 24, 2013, 12:26:43 PM »

"What shall a Catholic do if some portion of the Church detaches itself from communion of the universal Faith? What other choice can he make if some new contagion attempts to poison, no longer a small part of the Church, but the whole Church at once, then his great concern will be to attach himself to antiquity [Tradition] which can no longer be led astray by any lying novelty." Saint Vincent of Lerins c. 445 A.D