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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2020, 05:51:30 AM »
Bergoglio's constant thumbing of his nose at Traditional Church teaching strongly suggests pertinacious formal heresy.  At one point he bragged and joked about being a heretic, and said he didn't care.  If that isn't a formal heretic, then I don't know what is.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2020, 05:56:45 AM »
Quote from: Clemens Maria on October 21, 2020, 07:56:06 PM
The claim that there is no hierarchy is false.  Bishops and priests without jurisdiction are still members of the hierarchy.

It's similar to how theologians describe normal sedevacantist periods.  They say that during that time Our Lord supplies jurisdiction to the Church directly, vs. through an actual living pope.  That is why priests continue to validly hear Confessions and Bishops continue to appoint pastors, etc. ... all legitimately during a sedevacantist period.  In fact, there's precedent for bishops being consecrated and installed during sedevacantist periods.
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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2020, 06:42:37 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on October 22, 2020, 05:51:30 AM
Bergoglio's constant thumbing of his nose at Traditional Church teaching strongly suggests pertinacious formal heresy.  At one point he bragged and joked about being a heretic, and said he didn't care.  If that isn't a formal heretic, then I don't know what is.
That does seem like formal heresy, honestly.  Do you have a source for this?
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Offline forlorn

Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2020, 08:29:24 AM »
Quote from: ByzCat3000 on October 22, 2020, 06:42:37 AM
That does seem like formal heresy, honestly.  Do you have a source for this?
Can't find it, but it's a quote from years and years along the lines of "it springs to mind to speak something foolish, or perhaps a heresy, I don't know," followed by some diatribe about how "we all are one". Basically admitting his ecuŠ¼enism talk was perhaps heretical, but then proceeding to say it anyway.
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Offline Your Friend Colin

Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
« Reply #49 on: October 22, 2020, 08:48:44 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on October 22, 2020, 05:51:30 AM
Bergoglio's constant thumbing of his nose at Traditional Church teaching strongly suggests pertinacious formal heresy.  At one point he bragged and joked about being a heretic, and said he didn't care.  If that isn't a formal heretic, then I don't know what is.
Also joked to a young child about maybe seeing each other in Hell. 
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