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Offline SimpleMan

Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2020, 07:30:02 PM »
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on October 21, 2020, 04:25:30 PM
He also is for gαy children when all children are to be virgins. The next step is to legalize adult sex with children so the pedophiles  can avoid prison and losing their precious money.
What does this sentence mean?

To tell the truth, when I got this news today, I had a sede vacante moment.  But, as I have done so many times before, I talked myself out of it.  "He was speaking as a private theologian"... "this does not constitute Church teaching"... "he is only advocating civil unions, not the sodomy that goes on in those households"... and so on.

Never in a thousand million years would any pope prior to John XXIII have spoken so recklessly.  Does not the man realize the only thing the world is going to hear is --- "the Catholic Church is okay with gαy people living together as committed couples".
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Offline Clemens Maria

Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2020, 07:37:55 PM »
Quote from: SimpleMan on October 21, 2020, 07:30:02 PM
What does this sentence mean?

To tell the truth, when I got this news today, I had a sede vacante moment.  But, as I have done so many times before, I talked myself out of it.  "He was speaking as a private theologian"... "this does not constitute Church teaching"... "he is only advocating civil unions, not the sodomy that goes on in those households"... and so on.

Never in a thousand million years would any pope prior to John XXIII have spoken so recklessly.  Does not the man realize the only thing the world is going to hear is --- "the Catholic Church is okay with gαy people living together as committed couples".

Even if a pope is only teaching as a private theologian, he cannot be a heretic.  If he is a manifest heretic, he is not a member of the Catholic Church and therefore he is not the pope, period.

It's getting comical now.  It's a game.  How bad can it get before you finally realize he isn't Catholic?  Does he have to sacrifice a child on live television?  What does it take?
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Offline Matto

Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2020, 07:44:43 PM »
Quote from: Clemens Maria on October 21, 2020, 07:37:55 PM
Even if a pope is only teaching as a private theologian, he cannot be a heretic.  If he is a manifest heretic, he is not a member of the Catholic Church and therefore he is not the pope, period.

It's getting comical now.  It's a game.  How bad can it get before you finally realize he isn't Catholic?  Does he have to sacrifice a child on live television?  What does it take?
I think a lot of people think he is a heretic, but that he has to be judged so by the Church. Not that it will ever happen, but there has to be a process. Either God will never allow a Pope to be a heretic, or if it happens, something has to be done about it by the Church. If you think he is not the pope, then PRODUCE A POPE. Elect one, or recognize one of the dozen or so who have been elected by other sedes, and no matter what course has been decided on, get off your high horse.

The Church is supposed to be a monarchy with a distinct hierarchy. The sedes have none of that. They have an invisible Church with a few dozen priests, independent, scattered, with no hierarchy, like protestantism. Support Pope Michael.
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Offline Clemens Maria

Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2020, 07:54:27 PM »
Quote from: Matto on October 21, 2020, 07:44:43 PM
I think a lot of people think he is a heretic, but that he has to be judged so by the Church. Not that it will ever happen, but there has to be a process. Either God will never allow a Pope to be a heretic, or if it happens, something has to be done about it by the Church. If you think he is not the pope, then PRODUCE A POPE. Elect one, or recognize one of the dozen or so who have been elected by other sedes, and no matter what course has been decided on, get off your high horse.

God already said that He will never allow a Pope to be a heretic when he founded His Church on St. Peter and declared that the gates of hell will not prevail against it.  And again when he prayed that St. Peter's faith will not fail.  St Robert Bellarmine confirms this and even stated that his own position was that God would never allow a pope to FALL FROM THE FAITH.  I also believe that is the case.  None of the V2 popes (J23 and beyond) were elected legitimately.  So they were never for one moment true popes.  And no true pope has ever fallen from the faith.  St Robert refuted those who claimed that Liberius and Honorius had fallen into heresy.  George Bergoglio isn't even a priest, never mind a pope.
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Offline Clemens Maria

Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2020, 07:56:06 PM »
The claim that there is no hierarchy is false.  Bishops and priests without jurisdiction are still members of the hierarchy.
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