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Offline Clemens Maria

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Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2020, 12:28:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 21, 2020, 12:20:03 PM
    I don't even really care about Bergoglio that much.  Either the Conciliar Church is the Catholic Church or it is not.  To claim that this abomination is the Catholic Church raises the same ire in me as someone who might call my mother a whore.  That's really what this Conciliar Church is, the prophesied Whore of Babylon.

    I agree.  But the Catholic Church still exists.  Its members consist of all those clergy and laity who continue to adhere to the Church's doctrines as taught by Our Lord to the Apostles and passed faithfully down through the centuries.  I would argue that by that standard, a substantial part of the hierarchy has already declared the Holy See vacant.
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    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
    « Reply #16 on: October 21, 2020, 12:40:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Clemens Maria on October 21, 2020, 12:14:43 PM
    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/the-crisis-in-the-church-is-a-supernatural-mystery/msg665496/#msg665496

    Sean, you have serious reading comprehension problems.  Not to mention a mental block when it comes to sede vacantism.  ALL Catholic theologians without exception agree with the dogma that under no circuмstances whatsoever may anyone judge the pope.  No layman, no priest, no bishop and no cardinal has the authority to judge and depose a pope.  So when you ask the question, "You want me to personally depose the pope?", you are implying that only a member of the hierarchy could depose the pope (or a group of members of the hierarchy).  But that is false.  They can't depose the pope either.  But in your previous post you asked why the hierarchy hadn't deposed the pope for heresy.  The answer is that they can't depose the pope.  You also asked why they hadn't declared him to be a manifest heretic.  Well a declaration like that isn't a juridical act so anyone can do that.  It doesn't matter if you are a cardinal, a priest or a layman, a declaration that a man is a manifest heretic has no juridical force whatsoever.  But the manifest heresy itself has the effect of deposing a man from membership in the Catholic Church along with the loss of any and all ecclesiastical offices he might possess.  Either the man really is a manifest heretic or he isn't.  If he isn't a heretic then it doesn't matter what anyone declares (whether they be a cardinal or a layman makes no difference) because the man is still the pope.  But if he is a manifest heretic then likewise it doesn't matter what anyone declares, the man is NOT THE POPE.  So you won't make a declaration but you are faulting the hierarchy for not making a declaration.  Meanwhile, many members of the hierarchy actually did declare him a heretic but you condemn and mock them for doing so.  I guess they weren't the right members of the hierarchy for you.  But that just makes you intellectually inconsistent (some would say dishonest).  There is no doubt in my mind that if Vigano declared George Bergoglio to be a manifest heretic you would drop him like a hot potato.
    Clemens-
    Your reading comprehension problems must exceed my own, as I do not appear to have made a post on the linked-to page you offer as proof of my alleged contradiction!
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    Offline Clemens Maria

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    Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
    « Reply #17 on: October 21, 2020, 12:48:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 21, 2020, 12:40:16 PM
    Clemens-
    Your reading comprehension problems must exceed my own, as I do not appear to have made a post on the linked-to page you offer as proof of my alleged contradiction!
    Q.E.D.
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    Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
    « Reply #18 on: October 21, 2020, 12:52:41 PM »
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    Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
    « Reply #19 on: October 21, 2020, 12:58:02 PM »
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    • Nothing new. But those who say Francis isn't the pope minimize the damage he does as pope, and prevents the level of prayer needed to put a stop to his damage to the faithful.  
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    Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
    « Reply #20 on: October 21, 2020, 01:01:09 PM »
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    • Simply, Pope Francis went against the vatican stance, the catechism, his predecessors, and worst of all, the bible. This is a sad day for Catholicism as a whole.
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    Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
    « Reply #21 on: October 21, 2020, 02:07:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tradman on October 21, 2020, 12:58:02 PM
    Nothing new. But those who say Francis isn't the pope minimize the damage he does as pope, and prevents the level of prayer needed to put a stop to his damage to the faithful.  
    I don’t see how his being pope or not, impacts the damage he is doing.  Those who follow his heretical teachings, are not Catholic.  Anything he teaches that is against the Faith, is not binding.  So the damage he is doing, ends up being the same, whether he holds the Keys or not.  He certainly is confusing a lot of people, but how does his being pope or not, change the amount that he confuses?  The Church does not change.  The Faith does not change.  The illusion of change that he creates, vanishes into nothing, as he has no authority to change the Faith, whether he was validly elected or not.
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    Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
    « Reply #22 on: October 21, 2020, 03:14:26 PM »
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    • Perhaps it is overdue for a prayer crusade…

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    Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
    « Reply #23 on: October 21, 2020, 03:19:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on October 21, 2020, 03:14:26 PM
    Perhaps it is overdue for a prayer crusade…



    Yes indeed, but I don’t see this intention coming from Menzingen’s next Rosary crusade anytime soon.

    But perhaps Archbishop Viganò’s 😋
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    Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
    « Reply #24 on: October 21, 2020, 04:16:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on October 21, 2020, 12:14:38 PM
    Sean, quit the rhetorical, stupid, canned responses. You’re smarter than that. No one is deposing a pope! Period. We are recognizing REALITY! If a pope can do what this Filthy PIG does, then the papacy is superfluous.
    You do realize you are wasting your breath, right?
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    Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
    « Reply #25 on: October 21, 2020, 04:25:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on October 21, 2020, 10:58:08 AM
    Yes, for anyone who has been listening, this is nothing new.
    You are so right.  He has always promoted ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in Argentina.  The papal visit was created to promote ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity even the stage meet and greet with his former gαy student was to push it through and The gαy lecturer in New York. The Catholic Church has been performing And recognizing gαy marriages in their churches for years. The movie was released to celebrate gαy history month and to serve as a distraction from Biden. Also, it helped to further persecute Amy Coney Barrett.  This Poop hates President Trump.  
    He also is for gαy children when all children are to be virgins. The next step is to legalize adult sex with children so the pedophiles  can avoid prison and losing their precious money. 
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    Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
    « Reply #26 on: October 21, 2020, 04:35:17 PM »
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    Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
    « Reply #27 on: October 21, 2020, 07:02:07 PM »
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    Nothing new. But those who say Francis isn't the pope minimize the damage he does as pope, and prevents the level of prayer needed to put a stop to his damage to the faithful.  
    ......and diminishes the extent to which God's justice applies.  

    The severity of God's judgment is devestatingly more frightening than if he is not at least considered to be the Pope.  The fact is that the world accepts him as Pope so he will have to answer for something even more than one can imagine surely.   If the world accepts him as Pope  then citizens believe he is acting as Christ's spokesman.  Thus all men can sin to their heart's content because Our Lord wants them to sin.   (Words said by this Pope but now removed entirely from public viewing).

    Result:  The whole world is now a Sodom and Gomorrah.
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    « Reply #28 on: October 21, 2020, 07:07:34 PM »
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    Re: Pope Francis calls for civil union laws for same-sex couples
    « Reply #29 on: October 21, 2020, 07:09:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 21, 2020, 12:14:22 PM
    It's hard for them to do when they themselves are 99% heretical and deposed also.  I bet that you have maybe a dozen bishops throughout the world who would find Bergoglio's promotion of sodomy to be heretical.  We only had, what, FOUR of them, who had the courage to put their name to the critique of Amoris Laetitia. That's part of the issue with the Unviersal Acceptance argument.  Accepted by whom ... this gaggle of Modernist heretics?
    And here's the crux of the issue. If the heretical pope won't defrock heretical bishops, and the heretical bishops won't acknowledge the heresies of the pope, then how is the heresy ever stopped?

    For the last 60 years, it seems like the answer is: "It can't be."

    Of course, sedes face a similar issue regarding how we can possibly elect a pope.

    The Crisis can only be resolved miraculously, IMO.
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