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Pope Francis and Benedict are at complete odds with each other
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  • Report published by Giuseppe Nardi on March 20, 2017 (translation provided by Novus Ordo Watch).

    Andreas Englisch: Pope Francis and Benedict are at complete odds with each other

    Pope Francis and his predecessor Benedict XVI are reportedly in complete disagreement: “They do not speak a word with one another.” This is the startling message which Vaticanist Andreas Englisch presented on March 16 during a lecture in Limburg. For many years, Englisch was the Italy and Vatican correspondent for the [German] Axel Springermedia conglomerate in Rome. With 30 years of experience in Rome, he is considered to be a renowned Vatican expert. At [Limburg’s] Josef Kohlmaier Hall Englisch told the inside story on the topic of “Francis – Fighter in the Vatican” [the title of his latest book], according to a March 18 report of the Nassauische Neue Post [newspaper]. The look behind the scenes at the Vatican which Englisch offered his audience was even more dramatic than the Nassauische Neue Post conveyed in its article.

    “Francis and Benedict do not speak a word with each other”

    It was not necessary for the journalist to hide his esteem for Francis, which is well-known already. Englisch knows how to fascinate his audience. Yes, Bishop Tebartz-van Elst has a new job at the Vatican, he said, at the “post office” — because under Pope Francis, that’s all there is for people who “put themselves above the doctrine of Jesus Christ and do not interact with the common faithful at eye level.” [These are] daring statements — by Englisch about the Pope and by the Pope about a brother bishop. What Englisch didn’t say: Who is suited for nothing more than the “post office” is not so much determined by real or imagined “golden bathtubs” [which Tebartz-van Elst was rumored to have purchased before his removal] than by one’s ideas about the Church. The social component with its myth about commitment for the poor is always well received by a public audience, but it is not very meaningful in terms of the actual issue; rather, it makes matters more obscure.

    What’s more explosive — because it’s of much greater significance in its extent — than the Limburg case is what Englisch said about the relationship between Francis and Benedict XVI: The current and the former Pope have completely logged heads, he claimed, [adding that] the two are no longer on speaking terms. And that [has been the case] not just since yesterday.

    What does this mean? According to his own testimony, Benedict XVI only appears in public at Francis’ express request. What is displayed on these few occasions, then — if we follow Andreas Englisch — is simply [Benedict] putting up a good front, with an exchange of pleasantries. Englisch mentions the Limburg case as the reason for the rift, in which Benedict reportedly intervened to get Bishop Tebartz-van Elst to stay [in office as the bishop of Limburg]. That is one aspect at best. Limburg is certainly not the main reason for such a fundamental break in the relationship between two Popes.

    Francis “knows what he wants” and does “what he wants”

    The Rome correspondent described Francis as a strong personality. He “knows what he wants” and makes it known. Benedict, by contrast, is a “solid theologian”, but was a “weak leader”, Englisch said.

    For decades, however, this sounded quite different when in the German media the talk was always about the “tough armored cardinal” [“harten Panzerkardinal“]. In order to push a certain narrative, it seems that at any given time more or less anything goes, back then as well as today.

    In any case, Englisch says, Benedict allowed many others to make decisions, whereas Pope Francis does “whatever he wants”.

    If we reflect on Englisch’s testimony, this would mean that Benedict XVI was publicly demoted to [the role of] a mere supernumerary who barely has anything in common with Francis, but whom Francis needs every so often for the sake of [good] appearance, and whom he deploys as needed. Against this background, Benedict’s absence for the most recent elevation of cardinals on November 19 appears of greater significance. Francis’ creation of cardinals belongs to those few events for which the current Pope calls his predecessor to appear in public. Benedict XVI appeared at St. Peter’s Basilica for the elevation of cardinals in 2014 and 2015. For the third elevation, however, he was missing, whereupon Francis took the new cardinals and quickly drove them over to [see] Benedict at the Mater Ecclesiaemonastery. Apparently [he did this] also in order to preventatively ward off the kind of conclusions which Englisch has now drawn. Francis apparently suspects a demonstrative act [on Benedict’s part] behind his no-show.

    Pressure on Benedict XVI to resign

    In any case, the timing does not suggest it was a courtesy visit, which is how the Vatican spun it; rather, it was highly explosive. Five days before the consistory the four cardinals Brandmüller, Burke, Caffarra, and Meisner had made public their dubia (doubts) concerning the controversial post-synodal document Amoris laetitia, because Pope Francis had failed to give them an answer for two months. With the dubia, they squarely put themselves in Francis’ way, who has since been trying to ignore the issue, which has forced his closest collaborators and supporters to [engage in] sweat-inducing verbal acrobatics. Francis has prevailed with his [strategy of] silence, yet he emerges weakened from the conflict as a Pope who refuses to answer questions that concern central issues of faith and morals. The damage [this has caused to his] image has greatly overshadowed his pontificate.

    What the Nassauische Neue Post did not report: According to Englisch, different ecclesiastical forces pressured Benedict XVI to resign.

    This statement has explosive force. The circumstances which led to the papal resignation, in this form quite unique in Church history, have been feeding serious doubts since then. Exactly where is the line between legitimate influence and coercion? Benedict himself has assured [us] that he resigned freely. Until the contrary is proven, these words retain their validity. At the same time, aside from the legal aspect, there is a strange stalemate in the air. Even more so if one takes into consideration Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini’s all-out demand, [made] in June 2012, that Benedict XVI resign, and the role played by the secretive Saint Gallen group, founded by Martini, at the election of Jorge Mario Bergoglio.

    The fact is that Benedict XVI has left the stage, a stage that was afterwards occupied, like the staff of a military general, by [members of] Team Bergoglio of the clandestine Saint Gallen group, and which does not think of leaving it.

    (Giuseppe Nardi, “Andreas Englisch: Papst Franziskus und Benedikt haben sich völlig zerstritten”Katholisches, Mar. 20, 2017; our translation.)

    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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    Re: Pope Francis and Benedict are at complete odds with each other
    « Reply #1 on: January 17, 2019, 10:17:53 PM »
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  • Father Paul Kramer - March 25, 2017

    For 40 years I have been telling people that the crisis in the Church that began after Vatican II would lead to a split in the Church, when there will be two popes. Unlike in past centuries when the papal claimants were rivals who rejected the other's claim, Benedict & Bergoglio thus far have been co-claimants, who both claim the Petrine munus, but both, thus far, accept the other's claim. That will soon change, since the relationship between the two becomes more strained with each passing day. It is inevitable, and is foretold in prophecy: The two co-claimants will become rival claimants: True Pope and false pope (antipope).
    I always said you will be able to tell which one is the false pope, because he will permit things like divorce & re-marriage, etc. — and many other such things that a Catholic pope would never allow. Francis is a heretic. He has openly and explicitly rejected Christ's teaching to preach the Gospel to all nations and convert them to our Christian faith, saying it is "solemn nonsense". Francis says it is wrong to do that! He has also openly declared the heresy that faith is not needed for justification and redemption, but that even atheists who follow their conscience are without sin and can gain redemption. He is not a Catholic, but is a heretic.
    Bergoglio's pertinacity is manifest and notorious. He obstinately rejects many manifest & defined dogmas. The conciliar popes like Paul VI, John Paul II, & Benedict XVI expressed heretical opinions, but pertinacity was not patent: but unlike Bergoglio, they did not directly deny manifest dogmas that are known to even the most ignorant Catholics, and dogmas that pertain to the Natural Law. The Conciliar Popes were certainly material heretics, not entirely innocent (invincible ignorance), but ignorant nevertheless, and therefore culpable but not pertinacious. Even St. Robert Bellarmine who favoured the opinion that a pope cannot be a formal heretic, wrote that a pope can be a a material heretic due to ignorance. Such ignorance can even be culpable, but without the obstinate and knowing refusal to believe, there is no pertinacity, which is the form of the sin of heresy. The conciliar popes were valid popes, since there was no manifest pertinacity. Since Pope Benedict XVI did not renounce the Petrine munus, but explicitly stated his intention to retain it, his "resignation" is null & void, since a valid papal resignation requires a properly expressed (rite manifestetur) renunciation of the munus (Canon 332 § 2. Si contingat ut Romanus Pontifex muneri suo renuntiet, ad validitatem requiritur ut renuntiatio libere fiat et rite manifestetur, non vero ut a quopiam acceptetur.)
    When the break between the two papal claimants takes place, there will be clearly two rival popes and Churches (as foretold by Blessed Anna Katherine Emmerich): Pope Benedict XVI over the Catholic Church, and Antipope Francis over the counterfeit church, that will call itself Catholic, but in reality will be (and in some places already is) worse than the "reformed churches" of the Sixteenth Century.
    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson


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    Re: Pope Francis and Benedict are at complete odds with each other
    « Reply #2 on: January 17, 2019, 10:20:15 PM »
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  • http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2019/01/pope-taking-swipe-at-legacy-of-pope.html



    Wednesday, January 16, 2019
    Pope Taking Swipe at Legacy of Pope Benedict



    Benedict XVI. with Pope Francis
    "Two More Threads That Connect Pope Francis With His Predecessor Are Severed"

    (Rome) The Italian daily Libero today published the following text, which is reproduced in full.


    "The thesis is one of the most serious. This is also shown by the evidence. Pope Francis has a plan to eliminate the legacy and disciples of Benedict XVI. The operation has stirred up the Vatican, which has not by any means significantly opposed the incumbent Pope.


    The thesis is voiced by Riccardo Cascioli [chief editor of the Catholic Internet newspaper Nuova Bussola Quotidiana ] in the daily Il Giornale:


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    "It's just a matter of days and two more threads that connect Pope Francis with his predecessor are severed. More voices are being raised that the Prefecture of the Pontifical Household is being abolished, its incumbent - and at the same time personal secretary to Benedict XVI. - Msgr. Georg Gänswein, and the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, established in 1988 for dialogue with the Society of St. Pius X (the Lefebvrians), is today the reference point for the application of Summorum Pontifiicum, the motu proprio of Benedict XVI, with which the Latin Mass in the traditional rite was freed."


    These are two decisions of very grave symbolic value, similar to the expulsion of Cardinal Raymond Burke, whom Joseph Ratzinger had called to Rome in 2008 as Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura. In November 2014, he was deposed by Pope Francis, who had already replaced him as a member of the Congregation of Bishops the year before. The same fate befell Cardinal Gerhard Müller.


    Now one has arrived at the last link, with Msgr. Gänswein, a person inconvenient to Francis. The abolition of the Prefecture of the Pontifical Household, with the relocation of duties (appointments and audiences of the Pope) to a section of the Secretariat of State, would allow the Pope to get rid of Gänswein and to justify the operation with the need for a reform of the Curia.


    As for the end of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, which has been talked about for some time: The consequences are explosive. This would give more weight to those who want to eliminate Summorum Pontificum and Mass in the 'Extraordinary Form' of the one Roman rite whose 'proper form' is the Missal enacted in 1969. This is the next blow against Ratzinger's legacy, which Francis seems to want to eradicate.


    Translation: Giuseppe Nardi

    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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    Re: Pope Francis and Benedict are at complete odds with each other
    « Reply #3 on: January 18, 2019, 10:09:38 AM »
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  • The two Popes in Emmerich's prophecies were two Popes of different lifetimes, the first Pope being Pope St. Boniface IV who is used as a contrast to condemn whatever "present" (likely meaning present to whatever time period she was envisioning, rather than when she was actually alive) Pope she's talking about. She doesn't speak of two Popes in the same lifetime at all. 

     

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